Riddle me this, Atheists..

Love
Language
Humor
Tragedy
literature
MUSIC
Work
Hopes
Dreams
Sex
Fear
Hope

In other words universal things and human concepts

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Well said. Sorry for my mistake. I'll tread more carefully when reading posts next time.

Atheists are united? Speaking as an atheist, that's news to me.

But then, I don't live in a country where atheists are seen as being in league with the Devil and forever being persecuted for their beliefs. Under those circumstances, I might well feel driven to make common cause with others so persecuted, simply in order to protect myself.

And once we were united, we atheists would of course try to take over the universe. We would rip off our Beyond Belief t-shirts to show the Satanic symbols tattoed on our chests, sacrifice a few virgins to the Evil One and, filled with his dark power, proceed to exterminate all Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Mormons and Bah'ais, kidnap and brainwash their children, rape their wives (who can't possibly be religious because women don't have souls... no, wait a minute, all atheists are gay, surely, so we'll have to rape the men instead, souls or no souls, before we exterminate them). We will burn down every church, mosque, synagogue, temple and Vegas wedding chapel in the land. Then we will march on Cape Canaveral, pile into the Shuttle and blast off into the heavens on a mission to tear God from His throne.

If the above isn't soon found quoted on some Christonut web site as a solemn and serious warning about the United Atheist agenda, I shall be thoroughly disappointed.

Originally posted by dplum517
A lot of them do come together. They are called Buddhists.

That is different. That is not in the name of atheism. Besides, Buddhism contains MANY believers of the God or gods.

Don't forget there are a few groups who promote the same fervant zeal as any religious group. Such as the ones from Florida who were trading bibles for porn, to which I'm too lazy to look up the thread link.

Ok, there are some atheist groups and then there are secular political parties around the the world, etc. I can't think of a good argument now...

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A lot of them do come together. They are called Buddhists.

If only.

I live in a country with a large Buddhist population. At many Buddhist temples, you will see shrines to various Hindu and ethnic deities scattered about the courtyard. Visitors to the temple, nominally Buddhist, worship and make offerings at these shrines.

The Buddhists of my country also nurture a darker animism: many believe diseases are caused by demonic possession and are cured by exorcism; they patronize magicians who furnish them with charms and love-potions; and as if this were not enough, they are also in thrall to astrologers, and will not take a step in any direction without consulting one first. Their lives are so bound up in the darkness of superstition their Buddhism seems to be almost pointless.

Buddhism, even when it is the dominant faith in a culture, usually exists side by side with other belief systems that offer what it does not: the supernatural consolations of faith. Thus many Nepalese Buddhists worship at Hindu shrines and Japanese Buddhists at Shinto temples, while Chinese Buddhists venerate their ancestors as beings of supernatural power.

Western Buddhists, who are generally converts from another faith, are often true atheists. Members of the educated elite in countries with large Buddhist congregations (such as my own) may also be genuinely atheist in their Buddhism. But among the Buddhist masses, atheism is almost nonexistent.

Atheists like to think that they are not a religion. But in my opinion, a religion is a social organism that believes in the same values and oftentimes worships a deity that represents the ideal of their values, although they do not have to.

What is atheism? Basically, it is the rejection of culture, or the divine. Unfortunately, this culture is what bands humans together and allows them to trust each other and be on the same page. When it is broken, disaster results.

I personally believe that it is impossible as a human being to not belong to a cultural organism, at least not for very long, so what I think is going to happen is the atheists will band together, form their own short-lived delusional culture, think they know everything, and then proceed to attempt to wipe out other cultures all the while screaming about how they hate how judgemental and mean religions are.

Because... they never figured out that they were the most dangerous and judgemental religion of them all. Meh. Won't last long, though. You can't go around suppressing half your citizens forever without starting to look bad.

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What are you talking about? You ask what unites Atheist? Why it's the exact same thing which unites Christians...both of you believe you have the truth...and both of you feel you need to unite with like minded people in order to spread your truth and make the world a better place...you are both one in the same...delusional...neither of you have any real answers...yet you both run around bitching at each other like little kids, claiming you have it right and they have it wrong...what if both of you are wrong...what if there is a higher being, but we don't have, and probably never will have any direct connection with that being, nor will it ever try to connect with us, or even love us in the way you expect or understand...and that supreme being is nothing you could even begin to fathom...and if you even believe for one second the bible could tell you one single truth about this being you are moronic...if you think this being will judge you and send you to eternal suffering unless you follow "his" rules you are brain dead...and if you even think this being directly designed and constructed human beings, you'd probably still be wrong...and finally, if you think this being created humans as the only intelligent life in the universe and gave us this pretty little planet so that "he" could sit, watch and judge us all...well, please don't come to my freakin door trying to sculpt my beliefs, you God damn fanatics...thank you.

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Who said I wanted to 'Unite' with anyone?

Religion was invented by MAN to control and enforce their will on others.

No thanks. The only thing it seems RELIGION does is create wars and pedophiles.

And we don't go door to door trying to FORCE our 'ideas' of a man living in the clouds on other people.

That should be against the law. NO door to door religious crap.. cultist behavior.... (shakes head)

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This is a fairly disingenuous question by the OP - and answers itself.

Atheists are only grouped together (united) on the non belief in a deity, on all other issues, their beliefs or lack of them, vary as much as anyone elses - usually much more because they have no 'bundle of beliefs' blueprint conveniently provided to them so they don't have to think about issues.

Why would you think atheists are united, or need to be united on anything but that issue?

Personally I am agnostic - so perhaps I should not try and represent atheists - the belief that there is no supreme being is just as baseless as the belief that there is.

I certainly don't see any evidence for the supreme being as represented by Islam, Christian or Judaism religions - but that doesn't mean there isn't a supreme being - merely that there isn't any evidence linking him to those groups.

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the belief that there is no supreme being is just as baseless as the belief that there is.

DING DING DING...we have a winner...

2nd

Originally posted by Pharyax
Who said I wanted to 'Unite' with anyone?

Religion was invented by MAN to control and enforce their will on others.

No thanks. The only thing it seems RELIGION does is create wars and pedophiles.

And we don't go door to door trying to FORCE our 'ideas' of a man living in the clouds on other people.

That should be against the law. NO door to door religious crap.. cultist behavior.... (shakes head)

[edit on 3/28/2010 by Pharyax]

Well said! Exactly my view too!

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What unites Athiests?

Whatever other interests they have - fishing, golfing, believing in ET, etc.

I've heard it many times on ATS. "Atheism is not a religion!". Why unite then?

Is sharing a disbelief really uniting like a religion? No, because we don't worship together our disbelief & we decide our own individual opinions and beliefs.

What is your purpose of coming together? To share in your disbelief?

Do you really think athiests think a disbelief in god is more important than anything else we think about. Athiests only need to mention it when any religious person forces their views onto others.

If religions didn't exist, there wouldn't be a need to label disbelievers - in the same way we don't label disbelievers of pixies.

If a group of athiests get on, it's probably because they are either sick of being told to believe in invisible entities, or they have other similar interests, e.g. Science.

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What is atheism? Basically, it is the rejection of culture, or the divine

Athiesm is not believing in god. It isn't concluding that god or anything divine cannot exist.

Is deciding your own beliefs not enough, that you need to tell athiests what they believe in or think! Religions never learn to leave people alone and respect other opinions.

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Originally posted by CHA0S

the belief that there is no supreme being is just as baseless as the belief that there is.

DING DING DING...we have a winner...

2nd

Athiests disbelieve in the christian god, that isn't stating a belief that god cannot doesn't exist.

If you don't believe in pixies, it doesn't mean you're making an assertion that you believe pixies cannot exist, you're sticking with null until it's proven.

I don't know why I bother reading these creationism threads because you're going round in circles with the same pointless & tired arguments.

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Bearing in mind as an Atheist I can only speak for myself.

Originally posted by Ghost in the Machine
I've heard it many times on ATS. "Atheism is not a religion!". Why unite then? What is your purpose of coming together? To share in your disbelief?

I don't seek out other Atheists like I would other people who share my personal interests . I have an intense dislike for those Atheists in the US who go around demanding the removal of the Cross from war memorials and such like . I don't generally discuss the fact I am an Atheist with those who think otherwise and vice versa , it works well really .

Cheers xpert11 .

I have read and re-read your question and I don't really understand it? The question is What united Atheists

The definition of unite is:

1.unify: become one
2.bring together for a common purpose or action or ideology or in a shared situation
3.join or combine

The reason I am confused about the question is that you have said that you personally are a christian, doesn't the above pertain to you? I mean to say that there aren't athiest groups on street corners renouncing GOD in everyway possible, yet what we do find is more and more christians trying to convert people to their ways selling their own beliefs as the 'right' choice.

Surely you question should be structured in a way so that it doesn't sound like an ironic jab at atheist views against the church/religion?

So we know where I am on this issue, I am an atheist - I believe religion (at this time of our evolution) is a tool to wield POWER and CONTROL over the masses, this is why in every small town/villages accross the lands there are churches, they are an extension of the ever increasing powers that roam this planet. They are no more pure than the politicians that rally for peace. In every religion there are flaws. There isn't a single religion on this planet that hasnn't spilt blood.

In closing I want to add that I have met many many religious people and in almost all of the people I have met do not know their own history of their chosen religion and flatly refuse to listen about the hardship bought on others due to it, what does that say for them?

None religion believers:

If there is a God and he isn't one of the petty, egotistical dieties in any of the major religions then we have an opportunity to argue our case at the time of divine judgement based on evidence available.

Religion believers

If you're in one of the wrong camps ( which means 75% of followers of religion as only one can be correct) then you go to hell and damnation.

So in summary:

Aethists are united in the hope that if there is a God; that God will prefer the people who questioned over those that blindly beleived or just got it plain wrong and worshipped the wrong God.

The mere thought that the creator of the universe would be interested in a temporal concept such as the faith of individual humans is a laughable indication that humans need to get over ourselves before any divine being would be remotely interested in us.

You know what ....I have become very cynical about all this stuff. Believe what you want, practice what you want, do as you want.

There are people in this world who like to wear nappies and have crap rubbed in their face, there are people who believe in God. Lots of different things under the spectrum of Experiential Existence.

People have always done, said and believed in what they choose to believe, hence with have everything in this world from Hitler and the USA to Mother Teresa and Live Aid.

Its the way its always need, and the way it always will be. There is nothing we can do today to change that fact, and never will be. You form an NWO, then there will be anti NWO. You form a religion , then there will be anti that. You paint your house red....someone will paint their house blue.

What units all of us is experience. Life. Simple Existence.

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It is in opposing a fundamental belief in faith (in any faith), which is shared by the majority of peopel on this planet that unites us Atheists. IN global terms, we are a minority, of sorts - to the question categorises us - by proxy.

Isn't this post defunct and thus invalid due to your non-question???

Surely it is!

I think I've just tied up the discussion to this pointlessless quite well!

MOST ATS USERS are more likely Agnostics

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.

Is that so bad!!!

Agnostics unite out of mutual respect for each others sense of reason and logical thinking!