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Originally posted by The Baby Seal Club
That is hard to argue with. Just need a time reference when that vid was taken.
William Ryan -- Fire Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 o'clock, that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, we've got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there.
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So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and that's when 7 collapsed.
Thomas Smith -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
They backed me off the rig because seven was in dead jeopardy, so they backed everybody off and moved us to the rear end of Vesey Street. We just stood there for a half hour, 40 minutes, because seven was in imminent collapse and finally did come down.
Originally posted by REMISNE
Video of hard hat workers coming out of the safety zone for building 7.
www.youtube.com...
Who are these workers and why are they inside a safety zone that waas cleared of firemen?
They are also stating about the building is comming down, it is going to explode.
Originally posted by jthomas
1. There is nothing in those edited clips to tell or show us that anyone was within the "safety zone."
2. Those are edited clips, not continuous video.
Originally posted by thedman
3 Hours?
Collapse zone around WTC 7 was established at approximately 3PM
Even then took lot of time to clear area
ould collapse
1. Yes as ordered by Chief Nigro, Chief Hayden stated the firemen were evacuated by 3PM.
2. No it did not take long to clear because there were only a small contingent of firemen around the building.
Remember the fire in building 7 WAS NOT activily fought so there would not have been a full contigent of firemen.
Originally posted by thedman
Have a problem with comprehension?
The collapse zone was not set up until 3PM.....
Originally posted by zatara
Excellent material for in court...if the conclusion has been made that these men normally not could have known what was about to happen.
Originally posted by REMISNE
Originally posted by jthomas
1. There is nothing in those edited clips to tell or show us that anyone was within the "safety zone."
Yes their is, you have hard hat workers inside the yellow tape marknig the safety zone and the police officer keeping people away from the safety zone.
2. Those are edited clips, not continuous video.
Please show me your source for this.
Originally posted by jthomas
And we know that Chief Nigro established a "collapse zone" within which no one was allowed. So, your "safety zone" must be different then the "collapse zone."
Originally posted by REMISNE
Originally posted by jthomas
And we know that Chief Nigro established a "collapse zone" within which no one was allowed. So, your "safety zone" must be different then the "collapse zone."
NO, actually if you read his statement Chief Nigro established a safety zone. So yes the hard hat workers should not have been inside the safety zone.
For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.
Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)
sites.google.com...
Originally posted by zatara
It would not be very difficult to identify and find these men...unless they are some elite special forces with classified dosiers and false names. Like......they do not excist kindda guys.
Originally posted by jthomas There is not the slightest indication that they were illegally in any zone, particularly the collapse zone, at the time they all were being videoed. There isn't even any timestamp on the video.