South Korean navy ship sinks, North link played down

I guess someone will beat me to it, but here goes:

2009: One North Korean sailor killed in a naval battle

2002: Four South Korean sailors and an estimated 30 North Koreans killed in a naval battle

1999: At least 17 North Korean sailors believed killed in naval fire fight

1998: South Korea captures a North Korean mini-submarine in its waters

1996: A North Korean submarine runs aground in South Korean waters

BBC

reply to post by andy1033


I think mainly we are just calling a spade a spade here Andy. Let's hope it is just an accident but if it is why would the SK ship be firing at anythting?

Originally posted by jrod
This is an act of war, South Korea has the right to retaliate. No sane person wants to war to break out but this act calls for swift action. Time for a regime change for North Korea!

To early to call I think. There are also reports that the sunken SK ship fired shots at a unnidentified (NK?) ship before it got fired upon. So it could very well be SK that fired the first shots.

Originally posted by habfan1968
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I think mainly we are just calling a spade a spade here Andy. Let's hope it is just an accident but if it is why would the SK ship be firing at anythting?

Yep we can see from above that these things always happen. the west always love to make out n korean leader wants to kill s korean people.

Sh1t happens when they are both protecting borders etc, why is it even big news?

They won't do anything...

SK ships sunk a NK vessel and killed the commander aboard, 5 months ago. Remember?

[edit on 26-3-2010 by CanadianDream420]

This is very very bad. Both countries need to solve it out, otherwise their kids/grandchildren will not forget them. This is one nation, divided by superpowers games and ideology for less then century. There are still siblings living on both sides of the border. Whoever gave order for this is mad.
Nobody will gain from the war, all will loose.

I'm smelling false flag. For example, the CNN report states

The 1,500-ton ship sank between 9 and 10 p.m. near the island, but the cause of the accident was not immediately known, officials said.

A rescue operation was under way, and there were no immediate reports of casualties.

There were no further details about the shooting incident.

news.blogs.cnn.com...

First, they call it an accident.

Then, two sentences later, they call it a shooting incident. Hmmm.

reply to post by Rising Against


Yeah BBC is reporting the same

The ship was sinking near Baengnyeong island, Yonhap news agency quoted navy officials as saying.

It also said the South Korean ship had fired shots toward an unidentified ship in the North. The incident has not been confirmed by government officials.

So it would seem. if true... this attack wasn't unprovoked... AKA South Kora is not an innocent victim

BBC story

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North Korea wouldn't be so easily entrapped if they weren't always making threats about attacking South Korea and the US. I'm not saying they provoked the attack, but it certainly appears that way since they just threatened to do so. If they wouldn't have threatened, people might not be so quick to side with 'the West'.

The thing that worries me is lil bastard kim just threatened(again)to fire nukes at the south. He is also rumoured to be suffering from kidney failure: www.dailymail.co.uk... Question is,is he on deaths door,and wishing to go out in a nuclear blaze of "glory"...He certainly wouldn't be forgotten about for a long time if it was indeed him who set the world on fire. I think he wants to be remembered for all time,by all the world. And in his twisted mind,this could be the way to do just that.

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Damnnnnnn.....




I hate to say this and jump on the doom wagon but with the SK security council in progress, and SK navy firing on unidentified NK targets... Well... Kimmy would certainly take the wind out of Barry's sails with the new treaty he has just signed with Russia....

I hope this calms down

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Speculation at this point dude.... How do you know they aren't firng is self defense?

Originally posted by Yissachar1

I hope this calms down

The first thing that crossed my mind was: thank god this isn't a North Korean ship. I believe the South Koreans have enough sanity to not go to war over this, but had it been the other way around it would probably end up in a catastrophic war.

Rest in peace to those who have died today.

They just said on the news it isn't 100% confirmed by both factions that it was them.

They are certain it was a torpedo that struck though.

Wow! Thanks for the news TS. This could be huge!

"Victim" or not, these two nations has been in each others face for more than 50 years now.

It's kinda hard to say who is "right" and who is "wrong".

Sometimes they get up close and personal and some rounds get fired, like my previous post says.
What it doesn't say, however, is what happens when a larger South Korean vessel gets sunk.

Neither part wants war, especially not the North, who probably would lose. Yet, North Korea thirves on the idea of going to war with the South, but not actually doing it.

We all know Kim Il is pretty demeted, but that dog sure barks more than he bites.

Don't panic just yet people. This will all be sorted out shortly....for now.

I pray that this doesn't lead to war... but there have been many times where north-korean/south-korean ships have exchanged fire.

However, a full-on sinking of a ship, with multiple casualties could ignite something else.

Don't forget that the US came into WWI after the Lusitania was sunk by the Germans with over 100 Americans on board, and also the Gulf of Tonkin incident when an American ship was supposedly "attacked" by a North-Vietnamese boat causing the US to get involved in Vietnam.

Incidents like these are great excuses to start a war... except instead of a few dozen people dying in the ocean, there will be possibly millions dead from God knows what.

Latest I could find from channel news asia

www.channelnewsasia.com...

Originally posted by Monts
However, a full-on sinking of a ship, with multiple casualties could ignite something else.

Yes I'd have to agree with you there. Trading shots is one thing. But sinking a ship is another.

Do we have any idea which ship was sunk or what class it was?

The war has never been over, despite the establishment's claims and posturing.

The DMZ is always a high tension area with many incidents often going unreported.

This little island is about as far away as one can get from the South Korean mainland, and I would not be surprised if 'accidental' territorial water violations occur here frequently enough to be a constant irritant to both parties.

I truly hope this de-escalates quickly... the particular armed forces involved are very adept at the art of war.

Either way, whether this steals Obama's thunder for next week or is a false flag attack to deflect attention, what's the main goal here?

1. Kim Jong-Il finally went over the edge?

2. SK decided to unify Korea as a whole by force?

3. US needs a new call to glory?

My concerns are this:

1. How will the US provide support to the SK military when we're stretched to the limit between Iraq, Afghanistan, and drone-firing on Pakistan?

2. Draft soon?

3. Where is our war materiel boost from the last 7 years of war material production?

and finally a quote from Johnny Dangerously: (intentional maligning of the cursewords meant for fun)

"You fargin sneaky bastage. I'm gonna take your dwork. I'm gonna nail it to the wall. I'm gonna crush your boils in a meat grinder. I'm gonna cut off your arms. I'm gonna shove 'em up your icehole. Dirty son-a-ma-batches."