How Dare You Mr. President and Congress...

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by maybereal11

 

if you think that other country's do not get a benefit from the US military, just by our very existence, you are mistaken.

Never said that other countries don't benefit from US Military power and interests. Other countries suffer as well.

Centurion made the case that Canada could afford universal healthcare because of the US protecting them militarily...It's very dumb argument to make.

How is Mexico doing with all of thier extra cash? They are a border nation?

Originally posted by endisnighe
I cannot seem to find a list of US bases in Canada. I can find them of other countries.

EXACTLY...because there are none!

Didn't I make that clear in my last post?

Canada simply isn't as militaristic as the USA and thus doesn't spend BILIONS and BILLIONS invading and occupying other countries. They don't have a "military-industrial complex" to support....get it?

If Canada sends troops it is for NATO purposes and they pitch in.



[edit on 24-3-2010 by maybereal11]

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Really?

I've got time, huh?

I see it the other way in that there is no time like the present.

Mandatory purchasing is tantamount to stealing my wallet and buying something.

Without my consent.

Then putting my wallet back with nothing left in it.

Oh yes, almost like right now, since I'm living out of my car.

It's not like there's not a precedent for mandatory purchasing. Try social security, medicare, and even... duh duh duh! CAR INSURANCE!

I see a lot of people raging at the storm, but you know what? The storm doesn't care. The process by which all this occurs is called your elected government officials and by electing them, that's your choice. They represent you and the majority (so-to-speak) have spoken.

reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


you have just implied that something as shallow as image means more to you than us Brits, and id say that's probably true.
As for healthcare being free, it is something our nation of people have been born into so we don't know what it is like to be without it, personally i'm glad its there though it is open to abuse which costs us all proportionally in terms of less care more mistakes (there have been some shockers) ever dwindling funding.
Funded correctly it could be the greatest thing about Great Britain, but like every other public asset that is government funded in our country its a walking skeleton.

I can see why some people in America are upset by this bill, what disturbs me the most are the micro R FID chips that are going to be forced into every single one of you and the fact you do not have the choice individually to opt out.
And some people still think its a good idea, the poorest people are going to give everything physically and fiscally along with their freedom with the rest of America under the guise of something altruistic and benevolently beneficial.
It's not though it's malevolent in the extreme, drop the bad stuff out of the bill and it would be a good thing but it looks like the bill is just a way of getting through all those things they never would individually, some items would, but some wouldn't, and all of them together is a wet dream to those holding the keys to the algorithms of the r-fids and the contents of the vaccines, more morgies anyone?.
This bill guarantees total vaccinations and 24/7/365 ability to track every individual through the r-fids, while you pay for the infrastructure of your own prison pen, its a crime in the committing against an entire nation as it is currently written.
This would be a great way in 2014 of reinstating the service after some great cataclysm destroys what there is now.
And what is the other hand doing now we are focused on the one holding the bill, you know something else major is going on now un-noticed, probably Iran being speeded through to being attacked, now that would mean that possibly the entire fabric of life is about to be greatly torn up, maybe they know the war will last three to four years....

Originally posted by Alxandro

Originally posted by audas
Riiiiiiiiight - except for the fact that REPUBLICANS are the biggest recipients of lobbyist cash by MILES !

mental.

Are you referring to the same lobbyists that Obama promised to get rid of?

As if you can ever completely extinguish roaches.
They hide in the cracks and wait for an opening.

As long as people keep dying from corporate irresponsibility there will need to be damage control to keep this from surfacing and to keep these corporations at the front of the government subsidy line.

reply to post by maybereal11


Wow, you could tone down the holier than thou attitude. Get it?

The MIC, US Federal Gov, Federal Reserve, Multi National Mega Corporations and the current Admin are all one and the same. I get it.

Originally posted by crashbehr
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

I also "tried" to read of much of the bill as I could. and there are just too many things that are very scary in them including this line.

‘It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection’.

So they made it so it cannot be changed. Sorry still learning how to quote text.

see that will never stand up because its congress creating it and saying it cant be changed but congress cant give itself power and then take it away.?

i'm pretty sure a standing congress cannot limit the power of any future congress.

right?

[edit on 24-3-2010 by neo96]

reply to post by 12.13.2012


I am in my 20's now...never registered to vote, never will.
It's pointless! It's all rigged.
But, because I "didn't vote", I guess I have no room to complain....which I really do not have complaints. I stay away from politics, because I like keeping my positive energy around me. I am uninsured, only because I can't afford to pay BCBS $350 a month (while bringing home $1k a month, living on my own with bills) when I never go to the doctor.
The one problem I do have is for myself having to pay for an "accident" that two teenagers did in the backseat of a car and now they do not want to take responsibility. It is NOT my responsibility to pick up after your mistakes. I will gladly take care of you in Cancer, Mental Illness, and other problems you have, but NOT this! And I am pro choice, only because I feel that certain situations (rape) are appropriate for an abortion. Why do you want to bring a kid into this world that has the same genes as the toolbag that violated you? I see that point.
However, I would love to get helped out on insurance...just not made to participate with "a gun to my head", metaphorically speaking.
Time will tell....let us keep on keeping on. The people that are angry will uprise against the ptb, and I will be sitting here, being neutral, as I always have been. Keeps me out of the crosshairs of BOTH ends.
Maybe I have been made to feel too secure, I don't know. Please do not scream at me. Thank you.
-FCL

This why Obama got elected, he is just dong his job.

The right wingnut rhetoric has jumped the shark.

You make us all look bad with your nonsensical attacks.

Jesus, you people are ridiculous. Do you REALLY think they are looking at this? Do you think this is somehow going to end up on MSNBC or Fox News? I don't think so. There isn't some huge majority that is against the bill, only scared people like YOU. Threads like this should be locked because 10 are created everyday, preaching some sort of injustice done unto them.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

How many people actually know what I am speaking about with the information that this bill will allow access to through your Medical Records, and pushing towards more information databases which makes it easier for Government access?

I can see it now, Oh you have had depression, been on zoloft, ADD drugs, no gun for you.

1 in 8 Americans are believed to be receiving treatment for depression. Mental health officials still believe that the condition is underdiagnosed and 1 in 5 should be treated. Anti-depressant use is growing faster than the health care system can safely monitor.

wrongdiagnosis.com

The writing is on the wall.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by timewalker
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

How many people actually know what I am speaking about with the information that this bill will allow access to through your Medical Records, and pushing towards more information databases which makes it easier for Government access?

I can see it now, Oh you have had depression, been on zoloft, ADD drugs, no gun for you.

1 in 8 Americans are believed to be receiving treatment for depression. Mental health officials still believe that the condition is underdiagnosed and 1 in 5 should be treated. Anti-depressant use is growing faster than the health care system can safely monitor.

wrongdiagnosis.com

The writing is on the wall.

Rather than repair the "created from within" problem "at" the insurance company, or "at" the site of dispensed care, and getting a true handle and focus on helping those in need, a road has been created that runs right through the population itself,
and just like any journey taken, the destination is not seen from the starting point.
It can be imagined, and talked about, it can be promised and discussed, but the road must still be traveled.
Whether your hands are on the wheel and youre following a map "given" to you, and you trust the directions, or youre sitting in the back seat along for the ride and you trust the driver, who trusts the map maker, you truly will not know where youre going until you arrive.
Oh the promised land, where all your needs are met, where there is no want, no suffering, only good things await those that step foot on the promised land.
You dont need a ticket to travel the road there, but there's a price for admission to breathe the air, inside the promised land.
You can get there early and you can show up late, we know youre coming and we just cant wait, all the answers to your problems and life's just great, we've made it all so perfect you just have to believe,
just step through the gate and all your troubles leave
in the promised land.
Here's the brochure and if you notice the fee
it's a small price to pay and you dont die free
I know what's good for you, you just have to believe
in the promised land.

What most of the people don’t know or understand is the depth of the left wing, socialist, long range conspiracy which has been perpetrated upon them.

The bulk of the so called TARP money went to pay for not only the construction of the time machine, but also to pay off the politicians for passing the 24th amendment.

This was done for the expressed purpose of not allowing George W. Bush to be eligible to run and win a third and probably a fourth term as President of the United States.

I can’t help wondering just how much longer this country can go on without a leader such as George W. Bush proved to be. Those who backed him even before he took office realized that this is the leadership which this country has needed in the past and will need long into the future.

Originally posted by hdutton
This was done for the expressed purpose of not allowing George W. Bush to be eligible to run and win a third and probably a fourth term as President of the United States.

Hmmmm. When he left office, GWB's approval rating was at 22%.

President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

www.cbsnews.com...


His OVERALL rating (MAJORITY = DISAPPROVE) is provided here:

www.pollingreport.com...

I can’t help wondering just how much longer this country can go on without a leader such as George W. Bush proved to be. Those who backed him even before he took office realized that this is the leadership which this country has needed in the past and will need long into the future.

If this is not satire (nobody could possibly be THAT ignorant yet still find their way on the internet) then I would assume you are either very,very young or very,very old. Either one might yield such an patently absurd sentiment.

DENY IGNORANTS. [sic]


[edit on 25-3-2010 by kinda kurious]

I wish people would quit with the nonsensical "left-wing" and "right-wing" diatribe, because this is not about one wing or another, it is instead about the entire country as a whole, each and every citizen, not just one side over another, because neither side is greater or lesser than the other, both sides are playing you people, who speak to one side or another, for fools, plain and simple, if you play to the partisan party line doctrine, you have already lost, you picked a side.

When I speak to that I am meaning you have picked a side which has no interest in you, but they sure profit from you defending them, because you have taken up a false stance through not understanding that you are aligning with the them verses me ignorant stance, whereas it should be us American citizens who are not getting listened to by the policy makers, the division is most salient and exemplified through a sports analogy.

If you root for a favorite sports team, and say We Won, when in fact you were not on the sports field, but you purchased the televisions cable package, the favorite football or baseball jersey, the hat, the memoriabilia, but you sat on your comfortable couch and rooted them on then who truly won but those people selling everything to you?

The same goes for those politicians who want you vehemently defending the Republican or Democratic demagogues of each side, but if there are only two choices, and not unlimited choices, you have no real choice at all.

The same goes for the "right-wing" over "left-wing" rhetoric.

It is nothing more than defending a false position a two-way mirror if you will.

Microchipping America How They Plan To Do It


Real ID is the National ID card


H.R. 3200 Health Care Reform Bill - Obama Care links your bank account to U.S. Gov!

Quote from : Wikipedia : America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

The proposed America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (or HR 3200) was an unsuccessful bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives on July 14, 2009.

The bill was introduced during the first session of the 111th Congress as part of an effort of the Democratic Party leadership to enact health care reform.

The bill was not approved by the House, but was superseded by a similar bill, the proposed Affordable Health Care for America Act (HR 3962), which was passed by the House in November 2009, by a margin of 220-215 votes.

A similar bill to HR 3200, called the "Affordable Health Choices Act" (HR 1679)), was introduced in the Senate on September 17, 2009 .

It too was unsuccessful as the Senate approved instead another proposal called the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act".

According to the Congressional Budget Office, HR 3200 includes tax increases and spending cuts that reduce the net increase in the federal deficit to 1% of 2008 tax revenues.

The CBO director subsequently noted that, in terms of total National Health Expenditure, non-governmental spending will increase as coverage expands.

The bill was originally sponsored by Representatives John Dingell, Charles Rangel, Henry Waxman, George Miller, Pete Stark, Frank Pallone, and Robert Andrews.

The 1017 page PDF version of the bill is the first of three health care reform-related legislative proposals expected from the Democratic congressional leadership.

Votes in the U.S. House of Representatives on this bill and on H.R. 676, an alternative that would establish a national, universal single-payer health insurance, were previously expected in September 2009 and again in October 2009, before the actual November 2009 vote took place.

Nancy Pelosi's Office sit in and demonstration Say No to H R 3962


Don't believe me?

Fine.

Go to the Library of Congress website and read it there.

The Library of Congress : America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

It did end up getting rewritten, revised, and revamped and passed.

Quote from : Wikiedia : Affordable Health Care for America Act

The proposed Affordable Health Care for America Act (or HR 3962)
was a bill that was crafted by the United States House of Representatives in November 2009.

At the encouragement of the Obama administration, the 111th Congress devoted much of its time to enacting reform of the United States' health care system.

Known as the "House bill," it was the House of Representative's chief legislative proposal during the health reform debate, but it was never passed by the Senate.

On December 24, 2009, the Senate passed an alternative health care bill, the proposed Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (H.R. 3590).

In 2010, the House abandoned its reform bill in favor of amending the Senate bill (via the reconciliation process) in the form of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.

One Minute on HR 3962


H. R. 3962 Healthcare Bill


HR 3962 Sample Health Care Bill- 1,990 pages- 2 Volume Set- $89.99


Meanwhile, people are feuding over this nonsensical Republican or Democrat diatribe, something that is truly insanity in the making, because it is nothing more than you arguing over your favorite team, when you are not a part of that team, but only a supplier of the money to that team, a way and means towards funding more sure stupidity.

RFID Healthcare Bill


Obama Plans To Microchip America


But do not just listen to this guy in the above video or the person questioning on C-Span, go and actually read it for yourself, on the F.D.A. website.

Here it is provided for ease of reading in the link under Class II Special Controls.

And I hope you understand the complexity of this is much more than Republican or Democrat.

Guidance for Industry and FDA Staff - Class II Special Controls Guidance Document: Implantable Radiofrequency Transponder System for Patient Identification and Health Information

Quote from : Wikipedia : VeriChip

VeriChip is the last Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved human-implantable radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip.

It is marketed by VeriChip Corporation, a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, and it received United States FDA approval in 2004.

About twice the length of a dime, the device is typically implanted between the shoulder and elbow area of an individual’s right hand.

Once scanned at the proper frequency, the VeriChip responds with a unique 16 digit number which could be then linked with information about the user held on a database for identity verification, medical records access and other uses.

The insertion procedure is performed under local anesthetic in a physician's office.

As an implanted device used for identification by a third party, it has generated controversy and debate.

Destron Fearing, a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, initially developed the technology for the VeriChip.

In the beginning of 2007, Verichip Corporation created Xmark, its corporate identity for healthcare products. Xmark incorporates the Hugs and the Halo system of infant protection; the RoamAlert system of wandering protection; the MyCall emergency response system; and the Assetrac asset tracking system.

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Are you merely a piece of property, a commodity, sheeple, cattle, or human?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a59e58fbb44f.jpg[/atsimg]

Or are you someone who can read, resist, research, and request this bills repeal?

An Open Letter to President Obama and Congress

Quote from : An Open Letter to President Obama and Congress

Dear President Obama and Members of Congress,

Although you have proven that you do not care about the opinions of the majority of Americans, I wish to express my feelings about what you have done concerning health care.

I believe my opinions are shared by many of my fellow Americans.

There is no doubt that health care is an issue that needed to be addressed.

There is no question that changes must be made to the system.

However, what you have done violates the very guiding principals that our country was founded on.

By mandating that every American purchase health insurance or pay penalties, you have violated my right to choose how and where I spend my money.

Perhaps I do not wish to have health insurance.

I have the freedom to make that choice.

It is guaranteed to me in the Constitution.

Never before has an administration reached so far beyond the limits imposed by that document; and your blatant disregard for it and for our country’s social structure not only sickens me; it scares me.

Regulate the entire Healthcare Industry, not force us into using a middleman, because using a middleman only makes the middleman rich, and puts us to that corporations mercy, and belittles our power as citizens.

Health Insurance is nothing more than a middleman approach.

[edit on 25-3-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

here in europe we have a social security system which give us a free health care system. free is a way of saying that it is financed with the money from the taxes we pay every month. here in portugal about 40% of our income goes to taxes.

some people here choose to have a private health insurance in order to use private hospitals but there are good public ones and all you pay to go there, no matter the problem you have is about 4 usd. 3 euros.

if you need surgery you can have it too but if its not an emergency you may have to wait for 1 or 2 years.

of course its wrong for a government to force people to buy an insurance or anything else but I guess that instead of refusing to pay the insurance you could negotiate that with the government... less irs or something... or include dental care in the insurance, expensive exams...

reply to post by derfred33


It is far beyond my capacity to figure out how and why those of you who live in Europe, or most of the civilized world, are seen by our politicians to be more deserving of a reasonable health care system than we Americans. They keep telling us that health care is a privilege not a right. This would seem to me to be the same as saying that we Americans have a right to die and only the privilege of living.

And for those few who might have read my earlier post!!!

Yes, it was meant as BAD satire… Some people have to be shaken real hard to get them to "WAKE UP".

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by centurion1211
In canada they have money to finance their socialist agenda because they depend on the U.S. to defend them. Cuts way down on their defense costs. And they get to (ignorantly) tell us how great they have it and how we do everything all wrong.

I was unaware that Canada had any US Military Bases...perhaps you would like to provide a link?....Zip as far as I am aware. Saudi Arabia? Yes, as well as South Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Spain, Germany, Turkey etc. etc. And of course at present Afghanistan and Iraq...but not Canada.

You're making yourself sound foolish and naive. The U.S. has had bases in Canada during the cold war (D.E.W. Line), but doesn't need to have bases their now do to the sheer proximity of the two countries.

Canada has Joint Forces/Nato bases, no US Military installations.

NATO pretty much is the U.S. military.

If you implying that they somehow benefit financially from being in proximity to the US and somehow are flush with cash as a result...Why don't we see similiar fortune for Mexico? Or South America? Or any other land mass that the US would have issue with if the Russians decided to set up camp?

Making that point exactly. We do see that same thing for Mexico and most of the Western Hemisphere. Ever hear of the Monroe Doctrine?

Is it possible that the Canadians are just much less militaristic than the US? Less likely to spend Billions annually invading countries on the other side of the globe?

Exactly. Because of the U.S. they can afford to be "less militaristic". Thanks for agreeing.

Just thought I'd interject some logic ...though I know you are not a fan of it.

Please send us the maybereal01 model for future conversations. The logic unit on the #11 model seems to be defective.

[edit on 3/25/2010 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by derfred33

if you need surgery you can have it too but if its not an emergency you may have to wait for 1 or 2 years.

I don't know about anyone else, but if it comes down to me needing surgery for anything, it would be serious enough that waiting 1 to 2 years would not be an option.

But somehow, these socialist countries have convinced their citizens that something like that is OK.

The dems in the U.S. government are working that same strategy on all of us as we speak.

i feel your anger spartan, but the fact of the matter is nothing is going to change, not trying to derail your post here. just going through the replies to your and my outrage it would seem as if half the people on here welcome servitude and injustice and back door deals. guess what i am saying is this. As long as there are so many people undecided and walking the fence line per say, nothing will change but the American way of life! plain and simple