UFO in Sydney Australia

Sorry, but I just don't get the importance of a possible dark strip across the windscreen...

1. While I can vaguely see the effect being referred to, it is quite natural for the sky to darken overhead in an image like that - it's what the scene often looks like.. To try to prove the existence of a windscreen on the basis of a slight darkening of sky in a sunset scene..? nah. Stick with the reflections. I'm keeping a lookout for a PT that I can convince the owner to let me sit in...

2. If you are holding a camera up near the windscreen, it is VERY unlikely that you will include that strip. Try it. I already have, and none of my sample images showed the dark strip that exists on my windscreen - refer here:
files.abovetopsecret.com...
You can see the darkening to a small extent there, and I can assure you that the strip on my windscreen was NOT anywhere near in shot. The camera/phone would very likely have been too far below the strip, and pointed at an angle that would not include it.


Also, a quick reminder that there are at least two very different designs of dashboard, so if anyone is trying to match up the reflections, make sure you do all your homework!

Oh, and Zazz if you're listening, and it's ok with Fiona, can you put the car in a position where the outside view is darkened, eg facing trees, in a garage, put a dark colored beach towel over the screen.. whatever, and then take several shots WITH FLASH, so we can see what the dashboard reflections actually look like.

It can be awkward with some cameras to force their flash to fire - if you need help, let me know (name the camera..).

If you can't use a flash, just try to get the dash well lit so that you can see it reflecting clearly by eye...

Is there a way to pull up members comments via a search option?
I would like to look over all of Fiona's remarks collectively for I know this is possible on other forums. Just wondering if I am overlooking this feature.

Thanks~

Originally posted by CHRLZ
Oh, and Zazz if you're listening, and it's ok with Fiona, can you put the car in a position where the outside view is darkened, eg facing trees, in a garage, put a dark colored beach towel over the screen.. whatever, and then take several shots WITH FLASH, so we can see what the dashboard reflections actually look like.

It can be awkward with some cameras to force their flash to fire - if you need help, let me know (name the camera..).

If you can't use a flash, just try to get the dash well lit so that you can see it reflecting clearly by eye...

I second this. I'd like to see a shot taken from inside at the proposed angle. I think it would be far more productive to get a 'repeat shot' of what we are seeing in terms of reflections.

I still maintain the reflection we're seeing is the mirror and a reflection of a white hatchback, as i posted many pages ago. It will be interesting to see what the results are.

reply to post by TwoPhish


You can go to one of Fiona's posts and then click the button that says "thread" (look at the bottom of the post). That will give you all her posts in this thread, and only her posts.

Hope this helps.

Originally posted by TwoPhish
Is there a way to pull up members comments via a search option?
I would like to look over all of Fiona's remarks collectively for I know this is possible on other forums. Just wondering if I am overlooking this feature.

Thanks~

Yes.

Click their name at the left of any post.

Then click on " [posts] " near the top of the profile screen that appears.

Then click in the right hand column ("In-Thread"), on 'thread posts' against the thread in question. Hope that makes sense.

[edit on 29-3-2010 by CHRLZ]

Originally posted by TwoPhish
Is there a way to pull up members comments via a search option?
I would like to look over all of Fiona's remarks collectively for I know this is possible on other forums. Just wondering if I am overlooking this feature.

Thanks~

Hi, TwoPhish
Try here .

Originally posted by internos

Originally posted by TwoPhish
Is there a way to pull up members comments via a search option?
I would like to look over all of Fiona's remarks collectively for I know this is possible on other forums. Just wondering if I am overlooking this feature.

Thanks~

Hi, TwoPhish

Try here .

Hrrmph.

I was teaching her to 'fish' rather than giving one to her..

Originally posted by ziggystar60
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

You can go to one of Fiona's posts and then click the button that says "thread" (look at the bottom of the post). That will give you all her posts in this thread, and only her posts.

Hope this helps.

Helped me! Your method is much better than mine - always wondered what that button was for...

(thinks.. stick to photography, chrlz, you know that topic..)


[edit on 29-3-2010 by CHRLZ]

I did it the hard way. Damn! Wish I read your helpful comments earlier!
Oh well. But thanks a lot! Appreciate it!

Okay...........................

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by CHRLZ

 

ill say it for the last time i was not in my car i was leaning on the bonet the light or reflection could they be been car lights coming from behind me

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by phatpackage

 

my story has not changed this is just an other theroy / opinon i was out of my car leaning on the bonet and im sorry Maybe..maybe not your recreation photos never came out the way you wanted them to but REALY
sticking gum to your windscreen and taking shots with an IPHONE if thats what you call an investagation then excluding the truth than i think i have brought this to the rong peoples attention maybe the investagater from the american goverment who is ariveing monday can get to the bottom of it

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by cripmeister

 

the interior of my pt cruiser is dark gray and material not even leather i was out of the car i have asked this before could the reflection be a car coming towards me from behind could that make the reflection you are all talking about apear in the pic

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

the road wasent wet and i was a bit to the left of the bonet not centered if i rember right

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

what kind of real problems would you be talking about what that after all this examining you all have done with some excptions that yes i was telling the truth and the things you are all calling orbs did actualy come out the bright object like i have said from the start

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

thank you TWOPHISH im not a lier and have told the truth i have been sitting on this computa all day if ther all specialists in this field y cant they explain it y because it is what i have been saying all along who would make this up and then put it to the experts to solve if it wasent the truth to begin with

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by RICH-ENGLAND

 

RICH
explaining thanks for not much has affended me thats been saidi just want to get to the bottom of this just like every one else does i just wish some one can come to a conclusion soon and perhaps i can sleep a bit better then nowing i put my self out there for this i just want so closure to this

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by wayaboveitall

 

i was out leaning onthe hood not centerd a bit to the left, look i never took the pics from in side and not through the sun roof i have asked before the could the reflection be a car comeing from behind me

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by wayaboveitall

 

yes that is me and that photo was taken 4 month ago i was not leaning on my car as in this picture my behind was sitting /leaning on my bonet with my back to the car

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by wayaboveitall

 

thats not fair y has it come down to this mmn has mad the most foot work so his opinion is the most importiant to me

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

hi my arms wearnt straigh the were bent i hold it with both hands so the pics are not tilted 1 side or an other and click with my right thumb

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

im 5 foot 2 tall and my iphone was at my eye height if (some one wants to calculat that go ahead)?

LOL

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

iv never used drugs nor do i drink

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by Phage

 

i never said ther wasent a street light i said there was a street light but it was just behind me on the other side i also pointed it out to mmn at the place were i took the pics but the light im talking was high up in the sky above the trees i now what i saw i still am clear minded about it as a matter of fact yes FACTS not FICTION i seen it and the larger objects disapair at the same time i now what a street light looks like iv been back at the same time and the steet light is still there and much lower then the trees

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by wayaboveitall

 

i have told the truth from the start i went to that spot to take pics of the sunset i got out of my pt cruiser 1971 lodel, silver in colour, interior grey in colour, walked to the frount of my car sat/ lent my behind on the bonen as th bonet kinda comes to a point i was not centered i was off to the left a bit yes i seen the light post but it was no in my veiw of the sunset i was focusing my iphone at first in an up right posion, my daughter has told me its called land-sca

reply to post by TwoPhish


hi twophish, why exactly have you just posted a load of fionas quotes?

thanks

rich

I missed a couple of pages but this is important.

She's saying here that she never denied a lamp post. Only it was behind her and "Behind" doesn't have an automatic designation. So for argument sake, let's assume, behind her was 3 feet.

And when looking up, in her excitement she SNAPPED the picture of this infamous lamp post which was not too far from her to begin with (only, she didn't notice it at the time. Understandably)
Yes. Before you beat me up. I am speculating as many of your are too.


(it's easy to mis-read her spelling too but she explains it here)

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

there is no pole because street lights dont disapear ther cemented in and ther was a light behind me not beside me iv been back twice and at the same time the exact same time and linging up the picture on the print and on my iphone that light i behind me the ufo investagation people were ther last night doing the same thing

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

hi twophish, why exactly have you just posted a load of fionas quotes?

thanks

rich

One: To show her consistency
Two: To answer the allegation that I was speculating (in reference to Fiona saying this about the lamp post)
and
Three: To simply waste 15 minutes of my life.

Good?
(smile)


Edit in: (in reference to Fiona saying this about the lamp post)


[edit on 29-3-2010 by TwoPhish]

reply to post by TwoPhish


hi twophish, sorry but a lampost being behind someone whether its 1 foot or 50 foot is nothing like it being about 30 foot in front of you,!!!!!. you're really starting to go out on a limb with illogical speculation to defend her. i dont know why at all. maybe its because you offended her early in the thread and feel guilty?. or cos shes a female?. or because you're a blind believer?. or a mixture of all?. either way i think you're letting your heart and emotions rule your judgement and are just ignoring the holes in this story.

for me i was suspicions from the start but was prepared to give her the benefit of doubt but the further this has gone its convinced me that either set out purposely to hoax or decided to hoax after seeing the pictures.

the pictures someone posted of another identical car windscreen with an almost identical reflection was the final nail in the coffin for me,

chris

Sorry, but I just don't get the importance of a possible dark strip across the windscreen...

If it could be shownto be so, it adds weight to the reflectioon and theidea that they were shot through the windscreen,
refuting the witness testimony.

1. While I can vaguely see the effect being referred to, it is quite natural for the sky to darken overhead in an image like that - it's what the scene often looks like..

I agree. However without excluding the possibility of tinting, it could be.

2. If you are holding a camera up near the windscreen, it is VERY unlikely that you will include that strip.

Very unlikely is not impossible. Angle (upward) would seem to make it possible.

You can see the darkening to a small extent there, and I can assure you that the strip on my windscreen was NOT anywhere near in shot.
The camera/phone would very likely have been too far below the strip, and pointed at an angle that would not include it.

agreed.

Oh, and Zazz if you're listening, and it's ok with Fiona, can you put the car in a position where the outside view is darkened, eg facing trees, in a garage, put a dark colored beach towel over the screen.. whatever, and then take several shots WITH FLASH, so we can see what the dashboard reflections actually look like.

It can be awkward with some cameras to force their flash to fire - if you need help, let me know (name the camera..).

If you can't use a flash, just try to get the dash well lit so that you can see it reflecting clearly by eye...

Pointless chris. The iphone has no flash and flash is not nessesary for reflection.
If anything flash will reflect light back into the lense causing 'whiteout'.

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by TwoPhish

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there is no pole because street lights dont disapear ther cemented in and ther was a light behind me not beside me iv been back twice and at the same time the exact same time and linging up the picture on the print and on my iphone that light i behind me the ufo investagation people were ther last night doing the same thing

It wasnt behind her because its clearly apparent in her photo.

[edit on 29-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

hi twophish, sorry but a lampost being behind someone whether its 1 foot or 50 foot is nothing like it being about 30 foot in front of you,!!!!!. you're really starting to go out on a limb with illogical speculation to defend her. i dont know why at all. maybe its because you offended her early in the thread and feel guilty?. or cos shes a female?. or because you're a blind believer?. or a mixture of all?. either way i think you're letting your heart and emotions rule your judgement and are just ignoring the holes in this story.

for me i was suspicions from the start but was prepared to give her the benefit of doubt but the further this has gone its convinced me that either set out purposely to hoax or decided to hoax after seeing the pictures.

the pictures someone posted of another identical car windscreen with an almost identical reflection was the final nail in the coffin for me,

You know what the funniest ironic thing is? I am the MOST skeptical, cynical and non-believer of hear-say that there is.
However, something is just telling me, she's not lying.

And yes.....I think I took her under my wing sorta speak in the beginning because I DID feel extremely guilty of what I had previously said about her. So you're spot on.
But at the same time (39 pages later) I just have a feeling, you're all missing the truth.

Her story has a lot of twists and turns that are not benefical to her case and through all that, I can't help but notice her convictions!

I am a subscriber to Occam's Razor as WELL as Murphy's Law and at this point and time, my gut (although it was wrong when I doubted Fiona was really Fiona at first) is really telling me she's telling the truth and circumstantial evidence (or what appears to be evidence) is working against her.

Again, this happens more than we can imagine. People get sentenced to death, when their situation made them look guilty, and all the while, they WERE............innocent.

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

hi twophish, sorry but a lampost being behind someone whether its 1 foot or 50 foot is nothing like it being about 30 foot in front of you,!!!!!.

At the risk of starting a whole other Einstein meets Sherlock Holmes debate, why can't one pole be behind you and yet ANOTHER, be in front....30 feet as you put it?

It's a street. They are separated and stagnated, aren't they?

Perhaps (and YES.....I am speculating) there was one in front of her (30 feet) and ANOTHER behind her, 3 feet which..........was captured in her film!

What's the matter with THAT scenario?

It's not like this road had one big gigantic flood light. It had many.
And where Fiona was standing, it was a non-issue because they weren't in her way!

To me, that makes perfect sense.

reply to post by TwoPhish


a couple more points, you're forgetting that she first said the light wasn't a lampost and the lampost was behind her, maybe....maybe not has already proven there was no lampost behind her until the roundabout. after this was pointed out and the orange light was also shown to be a lampost she then spoke privately to a member and told him/her that yes it could have been, but when people picked up on this she came back on here defending herself that it wasn't a lampost. that is not consistent....

and as far as the reflection goes, i really dont think anyone now needs an expert to show that those reflections are almost identical in those pictures that someone posted, anyone can see it with their own eyes, and because those two things have been pretty much proven, the whole story has tumbled like a house of cards.

thanks

rich

reply to post by TwoPhish


because its been proven already that there is no other lampost and even if there was, she still photographed a LAMPOST! jeez...

it seems that you're just taking notice of what you want and ignoring what doesn't suit your belief, this is a non story, a hoax, there is no ufo. in fact after all thats been said and proved im quite surprised that this still has any momentum. that reflection picture killed this story stone dead, there is no way that you could just get a near identical reflection by accident with or without anything to make a reflection. therefore she took the pictures inside the car.... therefore its a hoax

thanks

rich

At the risk of starting a whole other Einstein meets Sherlock Holmes debate, why can't one pole be behind you and yet ANOTHER, be in front....30 feet as you put it?

It can, but one WAS beside her as shown in her photo.

Perhaps (and YES.....I am speculating) there was one in front of her (30 feet) and ANOTHER behind her, 3 feet which..........was captured in her film!

What's the matter with THAT scenario?

Ill tell you whats wrong with it. Anything 3 feet behind her is out of the range of her camera lense which is out infront of her pointing the other way.

And where Fiona was standing, it was a non-issue because they weren't in her way!

But they WERE in her photo. Before you tried to claim she shot the streetlight accidently while trying to photograph 'the big orange light'.
It cant be both ways can it.

Don't you hate it when things are "reduced to science'

[edit on 29-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]