A.I. meet God

You are missing the forest for the trees. I guess that's the best way I can say it.

Fine...

However...

Saying "You are missing the forest for the trees." still doesn't explain why you assume that, if you ask A.I. to try and prove the existence God, you would assume it would automatically start with the bible.

Unless it is your intention for your A.I. to come to the conclusion that you want it to come to.

Are you saying you're not really looking for an unbiased conclusion?

Are you asking the A.I. to come to the same conclusion that is your excepted conclusion?

What would happen if you tried to guide it to your accepted forgone conclusion and it came back with something to the effect "Sorry, I can not really honestly come to the conclusion that the is any real evidence for God?"

Would you except that as truth then?

reply to post by hlesterjerome

Are you asking the A.I. to come to the same conclusion that is your excepted conclusion?

Holy frakon crap!
Listen partner if I didn't have a sense of humor and a belief in the almighty.
I prolly would've gone out in my garage and strung myself up by now!
I mean cheese and rice on friday, the story with the A.I. is just a vehicle. I used it to make the point I wanted to make about why I believe the Bible
is the Word of God. Are we good now?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by hlesterjerome

 

Are you asking the A.I. to come to the same conclusion that is your excepted conclusion?

Holy frakon crap!

Listen partner if I didn't have a sense of humor and a belief in the almighty.
I prolly would've gone out in my garage and strung myself up by now!

I mean cheese and rice on friday, the story with the A.I. is just a vehicle. I used it to make the point I wanted to make about why I believe the Bible
is the Word of God. Are we good now?

So basically you just wanted to preach?

reply to post by hippomchippo

So basically you just wanted to preach?

If you want to get down to brass taks no Einstein. If that's what I wanted to do I damn well would've don't cha think?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

So basically you just wanted to preach?

If you want to get down to brass taks no Einstein. If that's what I wanted to do I damn well would've don't cha think?

It it what you did.
And for the record, any A.I would recognise the vast amounts of religions and cults humans have created and realize that none of them could ever be absolute truth.

Thanks to the OP, this thread was highly entertaining.

My thinking is the AI device would determine humans are creators and declare us as gods (with a little 'g') and shortly discover a majority of creators believe in the bible. Upon cross-referencing biblical texts with the encyclopedia of cognitive disfuctions, it would quickly tabulate the correlations and determine the bible can be classified as text book example of human psychosis. if a=b and b=c then c=.....

At that point the AI device would commit suicide.

[edit on 8-4-2010 by ATS4dummies]

reply to post by ATS4dummies

At that point the AI device would commit suicide.

Finally at least a descent sense of humor. I'm not sure, wouldn't it have to be programmed for suicide?


[edit on 8-4-2010 by randyvs]

Originally posted by randyvs
I mean cheese and rice on friday, the story with the A.I. is just a vehicle. I used it to make the point I wanted to make about why I believe the Bible
is the Word of God. Are we good now?

It makes much more sense now. The artificial intelligence you are speaking of is your own. Your story explains what you did in order to come to the conclusion you came to in your beliefs. Your "programmers" (your parents) steered you toward a certain way to believe. Once you studied that one source, you no longer felt a need to venture onwards to other materials for ultimate knowledge.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by hlesterjerome

 

Are you asking the A.I. to come to the same conclusion that is your excepted conclusion?

Holy frakon crap!

Listen partner if I didn't have a sense of humor and a belief in the almighty.
I prolly would've gone out in my garage and strung myself up by now!

I mean cheese and rice on friday, the story with the A.I. is just a vehicle. I used it to make the point I wanted to make about why I believe the Bible
is the Word of God. Are we good now?

Wow...

Yeah...

I'm good.

the story with the A.I. is just a vehicle. I used it to make the point I wanted to make about why I believe the Bible
is the Word of God.

Ummmmm...

Ok...

I must be missing the forest because of the trees. Cause I don't see how your story about A.I. points out why you belive the bible is the word of god.

With that being said, you're not the first person that has insinuated that I may be a tad on the dense side.

Sorry for stepping on your Story

reply to post by Hydroman

It makes much more sense now. The artificial intelligence you are speaking of is your own. Your story explains what you did in order to come to the conclusion you came to in your beliefs. Your "programmers" (your parents) steered you toward a certain way to believe. Once you studied that one source, you no longer felt a need to venture onwards to other materials for ultimate knowledge

i must say this is clever.
An out right lie, but clever.

hlesterjerome

Sorry for stepping on your Story

It's really no big deal.
This thread was never anything serious. I can't believe it got stretched to this many pages.

[edit on 9-4-2010 by randyvs]

Originally posted by randyvs
i must say this is clever.
An out right lie, but clever.

If I believe it to be true, is it still a lie?

Could the same be said of your beliefs?

[edit on 9-4-2010 by Hydroman]

Originally posted by ATS4dummies
Thanks to the OP, this thread was highly entertaining.

My thinking is the AI device would determine humans are creators and declare us as gods (with a little 'g') and shortly discover a majority of creators believe in the bible. Upon cross-referencing biblical texts with the encyclopedia of cognitive disfuctions, it would quickly tabulate the correlations and determine the bible can be classified as text book example of human psychosis. if a=b and b=c then c=.....

At that point the AI device would commit suicide.

[edit on 8-4-2010 by ATS4dummies]

33% of those who expressed a preference ( for religion) is not a majority no matter how hard you warp the math.

Besides your all forgetting it would use components from Asia primarily..So it would just contemplate it's off button and decide there is no spoon.............................

As far as AI goes, SINCE WE'RE ALL SPECULATING HERE...let me have a go....

I suspect that, given the task to find truth about existence[of humans] and/or creation[of humans] and/or the existence[of God] and/or power[of God]....this AI, if created properly, would reflect. It would reflect upon it's own creation, again, IF CREATED PROPERLY. It would think/say, "I know I am here, but how did I get here? Did something CREATE me?" This AI would probably come to the conclusion that a CREATION makes NECESSARY a CREATOR. I don't even think the bible would be in it's bag of tricks if it was created properly. Proper AI is THINKING and REASONING...that doesn't have anything to do with history or the validation involved when considering ancient literatures....but...you know...that's just how I think it'd be.

Respectfully,
A2D

[edit on 11-4-2010 by Agree2Disagree]

I love to see a thread like this. Even though I may not agree with all of it, it`s still good to see people with that much faith while living in a time when faith is constantly bombarded from all angles. There are contradictions, or rather, misinterpretations in the bible. Adam and Eve were not the only people on Earth at least at the time Cain was expelled to live with "other people". Maybe Adam and Eve were the first humans but God could have created a few thousand other humans any time after he created them. And Noah most likely did not have every animal on Earth, probably just a bunch from the local population.
And I think the Bible was made this way on purpose. It`s meant to be a guide (B.I.B.L.E. = Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth) not proof. God didn`t want to just give you a perfect book that cannot be refuted. It was made so that if someone doesn`t want to believe, they can find inconsistencies and someone who does want to believe can use it as a guide to help them. It`s all about free will. If I told you, hey if you say you`ll believe in this I`ll give you a billion dollars, it would cost you nothing to just say yes and see if I really give you the money. It would be even less of a risk if the money was sitting in front of you and you had met many other people who did the same and got their billion and read about it in magazines, heard about it on tv. You would just know that by saying you believe, you WILL get your money. If god treated heaven the same way, EVERYBODY would sign up for it and everybody would make sure to behaive and not sin. But then you wouldn`t be a good person just out of the kindness in your heart it would all just be an act.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Deaf Alien

 

The A.I. system would explode with all the contradictions and logical inconsistencies in the Bible

I think someone already used this response Deaf. Why so redundent?

Exploded?

You do mean like boom? Correct?

[edit on 6-4-2010 by randyvs]

Sorry I have this habit of reading the OP and responding without reading the replies. But it still stands.

Maybe a big boom?

The logic circuit would melt.

reply to post by hippomchippo


too true...lol

second line..

reply to post by randyvs


What would happen to the A.I. system when it comes across a logical inconsistency? Would it explode or after billions of cycles it would just discard it and get on to other puzzles?

If such a system exists, it would have discarded the Bible long, long time ago.

Sorry buddy, A.I. may find a god eventually (maybe) but it won't be from reading the Bible.

Hi there,

Thanks for the thread. I agree fully with your made point. As a christian I can truly see the point made, whether the AI intro was the proper tool or not the basis around the power and INDESTRUCTIBLE nature of the bible rings true.

I myself can testify to using logic to try better understand the dinamics of God but in faith i found the answers.

Well done in a soul moving post.

God Bless

reply to post by Gabriel_

Well done in a soul moving post.

Thank you very much. I was just about thru answering this thread too.
Your kind words are greatly appreciated.

Agree to disagree

THINKING and REASONING...that doesn't have anything to do with history or the validation involved when considering ancient literatures....but...you know...that's just how I think it'd be.

Your own opinion is cool. I'm good with that. Thanks agree.

Deaf Allen
I really don't understand anyone having something against a book.
That if nothing else is THE greatest piece of ancient literature we have.
PERIOD.

Any way as Gabriel said, God bless.

Hydroman

If I believe it to be true, is it still a lie?

The only thing that would make it not a lie, would be if it were the truth.
You can believe in all kinds of lies but that doesn't make them truth.
No!

[edit on 11-4-2010 by randyvs]

Originally posted by randyvs


The only thing that would make it not a lie, would be if it were the truth.
You can believe in all kinds of lies but that doesn't make them truth.
No!

[edit on 11-4-2010 by randyvs]

Now dispassionately apply your statement to your "truth".

Everything is personal, even truth. It simply requires belief.
Be comfortable in your own, but show respect for others, there is a possibility (stay with me here) that you are wrong.
Roughly 33% of the world acknowledge your truth and they do not all agree with each other entirely.

At the very least that should give you a pause for thought.