Health Care Bill Clears Procedural Hurdle

haha people do get leary for little or no reason, i was just tryna' create a discussion and suddenly i have socialist agenda's, i actually did take into consideration and agree with someone who debunked the bill, i was trying to create a better understanding for myself and others, but yeah well done for getting all heated in here and ruining the good vibe, one things for sure we don't have any charitable folks here! haha

Originally posted by SourGrapes


So, you're actually "ecstatic" about paying for something now, that you won't see a benefit from (if you even get the benefit, or know someone who would) for years from now? Really?

Let's see how "ecstatic" you are around this time, next year.

Actually, with this bill, immediately after it's all passed (no waiting around for 4 years) since I am 24 years old, Im allowed to go back onto my parents insurance till I turn 26. My 'pre existing conditions' wont matter when I get put back on either so yeah, Im ecstatic. Im sure there is something in this bill that will help you and yours too. I look forward to helping pay to maybe save your life one day. The wait will be worth it, this is important and needed to be done and its gonna be a beautiful thing.

reply to post by VintageEnvy


i hear ya!

I think sometimes people want what they can't have and can't have what they want, they moan for one thing, then when it's handed to them on a plate they create a problem for it, extremely pessimistic people who can't see a good thing, sure it has some flaws, i mean so does everything and everyone especially the negative people as they have proved so themselves, so lets raise our glasses to the pessimists, for there superior ability to take a good thing, rub it through the dirt, add some insult and then bitch and moan about it....nevermind...

reply to post by VintageEnvy

Actually, with this bill, immediately after it's all passed (no waiting around for 4 years) since I am 24 years old, Im allowed to go back onto my parents insurance till I turn 26. My 'pre existing conditions' wont matter when I get put back on either so yeah, Im ecstatic.

How much more in premiums will that cost your parents, or does this legislation prevent the increase of premiums?

OK, so why exactly do I have to pay for someone who is sick when I am perfectly healthy? Why am I forced to pay for health care when I don't need it? Don't you people realize this is just another way for the government to control every aspect of your existence?

Broken arm? NHS will fix it in 10 months. Maybe

Torron Eeles is a plumber in England who fell down some stairs in December and broke his left arm.

Well, that nifty free health care in England should take care of it. This happened in December. Was the arm repaired in…

A. One day.
B. One week.
C. One month.
D. One year.

The answer is D, maybe. It has been 10 months. The arm still has not been repaired.

The London Daily Mail reported:

Mr Eeles claims his first two operations at the Queen Elizabeth II hospital in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, were canceled due to a lack of beds and operating time respectively.

His third operation in February was postponed after he was found to have high blood pressure, while the fourth, scheduled for May, was abandoned because of concerns about his smoking.

So, 10 months later, Eeles left arm still dangles uselessly at his side. No one wants a one-armed plumber. So at 50, he is out of work and he could lose his home.

That last item actually makes medical sense. Smoking complicates anesthesia.

Disability?

“Mr. Eeles, from Welham Green, Hertfordshire, applied for employment and support allowance but a doctor ruled he is ineligible for both because he can turn on a tap,” the London Daily Mail also reported.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Originally posted by jam321

How much more in premiums will that cost your parents, or does this legislation prevent the increase of premiums?

Not with the subsidies people will be getting that will cover 2/3rds of the premium. Thus, they will indeed be paying less to keep me and themselves alive. Possibly even becoming happier and less stressed out thus living longer and better and being able to contribute more to society. Mind you , this isn't everybody, but in my parents income class, they'll be eligable for the subsidies (middle class).

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I'm not saying the NHS is great, HOWEVER this is just one bad example, i've broken my arm, my collarbone, leg, finger, ribs, etc... you name it i've probably broke it or come close, i was also born with a hole in my heart, therefore i've spent a hell of a lot of time in hospitals in the UK, the staff were always friendly, i was always in and out in a matter of days at most depending on the situation and i've never had a problem x

That's one... small... step... for America... One... giant leap... towards... American civilisation.

reply to post by truthseeker1984

Have fun when your insurance premiums go through the roof and when you have to make a choice between paying them, or eating.

What makes you think this isn't already the reality for many, many people?

I haven't read the Bill; I don't understand the language used and frankly I don't care. They do whatever they want to do regardless of our opinion, and if they have to fake resistance to make it seem as if everything is contemplated and discussed untill finely polished, they'll just fake some resistance.

"Ooh it was soooo haaard to get this Bill passed, but we FINALLY did it!!!!"

BTW, I haven't been insured for years, and I doubt I can afford it now or in the future, but I won't let this two party charade cloud my judgement - or happiness.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
All you yanks that were whining about the health care bill made me laugh

Finally you catch up to the rest of the world with a health care bill which has worked in many 1st world countries, yet all these fearmongers who dont understand how it works created thread after thread attacking it.

Congratulations USA, you have finally caught up!!!!!

That's the thing though...

This bill really doesn't get us where we need to be.

Yes, any attempt at reform is a step in the right direction, but we are still way behind you guys in the developed world.

Before this bill, we were the only developed nation in the world without universal health care.

After this bill, we will still be the only developed nation in the world without universal health care.

Yes, it does provide some measures to keep the insurance companies in check. But it falls far short of providing much needed medical security to those who truly need it.

It's really a shame that we can't get anything done in this country. Look at the right-wing hate machine, they are literally foaming at the mouths over this "government takeover", all the while nothing is really changing.

A lot of money is changing hands, that's for sure. But nothing is really changing.

Maybe I'm just jaded.

reply to post by northexpedition

OK, so why exactly do I have to pay for someone who is sick when I am perfectly healthy? Why am I forced to pay for health care when I don't need it?

Uhm, because you are not Superman and if some drunk hits you at 70mph you will need care?

I don't care for the Government or the insurance corps, but that's just straight up logic.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Pianist
reply to post by truthseeker1984

 

Have fun when your insurance premiums go through the roof and when you have to make a choice between paying them, or eating.

What makes you think this isn't already the reality for many, many people?

I haven't read the Bill; I don't understand the language used and frankly I don't care. They do whatever they want to do regardless of our opinion, and if they have to fake resistance to make it seem as if everything is contemplated and discussed untill finely polished, they'll just fake some resistance.

"Ooh it was soooo haaard to get this Bill passed, but we FINALLY did it!!!!"

BTW, I haven't been insured for years, and I doubt I can afford it now or in the future, but I won't let this two party charade cloud my judgement - or happiness.

The point that I was trying to make is that more people will be forced into this decision, or face fines or jail time. Yes, I agree that there are many, many people out there that are facing the same exact decisions, but how is the government going to pay for it all? Oh yeah by TAXING US MORE. This is just one more step to total "Big Brother" rule.

reply to post by Conspiracy Pianist


Your answer was total genius, i agree with you in the sense that i don't back any kind of formal government, but it is impossible to say you don't want to pay for or need healthcare...

maybe to solve the problems of skeptics, the US government should just shut out all the skeptics that say "don't want to pay for anything they don't need" by saying "okay don't have any healthcare if you don't need it" and see how quickly the death rates rise... haha!

why is everyone bitchin and moaning "i gotta pay for someone elses healthcare" do you realise that there are people in this world who have cancer and have to pay for extremely expensive chemo therapy out of their pockets because of a pre existing condition? do you know how bad cancer is? do you know that it ravages peoples insides and causes the most awful pains you may well be able to imagine? what if it was you with cancer and someone else payed taxes so you could get chemo? i imagine you would be pretty damn grateful

you people sicken me, yes it's the american dream to have money, but you don't need tons of it, help the sick that is a dream come true, but most american assholes with tons of disposible income whine and bitch about a minor inconveniance

Nothing brings more pain than too much pleasure; nothing more bondage than too much liberty-benjamin franklin

I am so happy the healthcare bill has pass, this is a great day in America history.
I am happy to see that everyone will be able to have affordable health insurances.
I am doing a healthcare poll for all of you that would like to participate

POLL: Healthcare Vote Yes or No
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Conspiracy Pianist
reply to post by northexpedition

 

OK, so why exactly do I have to pay for someone who is sick when I am perfectly healthy? Why am I forced to pay for health care when I don't need it?

Uhm, because you are not Superman and if some drunk hits you at 70mph you will need care?

I don't care for the Government or the insurance corps, but that's just straight up logic.

i have to say that's i mighty fine statement. it's nice to know you won't be denied doctor care because of a money situation.

look at england they have the same thing but do you hear them bitching? most of america is populated with spoiled whiny brats in my opinion

Originally posted by stephenwephentephen
haha people do get leary for little or no reason, i was just tryna' create a discussion and suddenly i have socialist agenda's, i actually did take into consideration and agree with someone who debunked the bill, i was trying to create a better understanding for myself and others, but yeah well done for getting all heated in here and ruining the good vibe, one things for sure we don't have any charitable folks here! haha

I think the problem is this is a hot button topic for so many, whether they are for or against. Sometimes it's hard to be charitable when it's such an emotionally charged topic.

I do see the need for reform. It is desperately needed. But the bill that was passed was just so much garbage that won't really fix anything. For the poster saying their glad to go back on the parent's insurance - sorry, only the taxes start now. The reforms don't kick in until 2014 and I think you'll be over 26 by then.

Doesn't matter what they pass. The states are passing laws to turn away Obamacare - 38 so far.

www.prnewswire.com...

Texas will be next as the AG said the suit will be filed Monday morning. So it will be 39 shortly.

well that just goes to show you american greed triumphs
did you know that when in the early days indians called us 'gringos' because money was our main concern? i mean we did't even care we were stealing land that didn't belong to us but after that forcing the tribes on a long ass journey through the woods to the new reservations, tons of native americans died on the way there!!!

yes i realize that this healthcare bill has a ton of flaws but it was a step in the right direction

if theres a new way,
i'll be the first in line,
but it better work this time-
megadeth, peace sells

Originally posted by ashanu90
well that just goes to show you american greed triumphs
did you know that when in the early days indians called us 'gringos' because money was our main concern?

Or it may be because we were speaking "gibberish"?

www.texasescapes.com...

You may be wondering why I didn't simply look "gringo" up in a Spanish-English dictionary, since I was so determined to find its definition. Well, I did, and the word was defined as "one who speaks gibberish," and "blonde," neither of which made much sense in the common usage of the word unless you are writing a story about a gibberish-talking fair-haired woman, right?

Now don't get mad at me, all you blondes out there who speak gibberish, I didn't write the dictionary. Anyway, you know me. If it's simple, I'm not interested. Confusion, chaos and complication are my middle names, so I began to search through dusty etymological tomes for an answer.

The word "gringo" was mentioned in Spanish literature as early as the eighteenth century. In his famous Diccionario, compiled prior to 1750, Terreros y Pando, a Spanish historian notes that "gringo" was a nickname given to foreigners in Malaga and Madrid who spoke Spanish with an accent. Maybe it sounded like gibberish.