9/11 The Military knows Israel did it!!! Truth is coming....

Originally posted by Decoy
Hey all,

Kinda freaked with all the red warnings on this thread. Not suggesting it happened on this thread, just that it certainly seems some of our members w/red dots are commenting on this thread.

Having said that, dunno what's legitimate re 9/11/01 concerning Israel, as I had stated earlier?
ATS is a supreme being to me, but over the years so much crap seems to come out when anything Israel comes to subject matter. What I wonder about is WHY?

Decoy

>> I apologize if I make a bigger deal about this -- but it's a symptom of our Brave New World...


The AIPAC has thousands of bloggers who do nothing but effect public opinion on the web. They blog. This isn't something that ONLY they do, however. AT my office, we have people who do the same thing about OUR company -- they also police our representatives in the field who might comment on their own websites. There is even a new term for executives that manage the people who improve search rankings on the web; SEO.


Now, the OFFICIAL, description of SEO is just "Search Engine Optimization." But the other half of the job is making sure that a blog doesn't get too negative about the company and to "correct" some perception. There are a lot of disgruntled "former employees." Some just have an ax to grind, some are blowing the whistle.

Companies and nations do this. Many countries are following the example of Israel -- but it is NOT your imagination and it does happen all the time. It is really going to be hard in the future to keep information accurate, as information is power, and it forms public opinion. I expect that in the very near future, people will form "white lists" of people they can trust, and by extension, people THEY trust.

The future is either very bleak, with nothing but lies, exploitation, and mansions protected by hired guns -- or it's one we determine that PEOPLE are taken care of and not exploited ANYWHERE. There really isn't any choice and the folks who think we can survive an "unfettered profit based free market" haven't read Charles Dickens and don't realize that when Robots are only slightly more advanced, most of the cheap labor in the world is out of a job.

MOST of us in the world are not going to have value to capitalism in the near future. The "hired blogger" is just the part of the system -- no different from Churches that teach you to BELIEVE, and put off peace on earth for eternal rewards sometime after you die and quit being useful to the establishment. If you don't know the truth, you cannot make an informed decision for your own well being -- and you will be at the whim of the Robber Barons. For $.25 a post, the fake blogger sells out the future even though they will never be anything more than an disposable tool.

People have to wake up, and stop being selfish and evil -- what happens to others will happen to you. Lying for Israel or some polluting company, in the long run is not going to help the people OF Israel or the people working FOR the company. Israel is run by a despotism, that keeps the people in fear and keeps the Palestinians poor and angry to scare them. The Liars who "help" Israel here, only preserve profits for their masters -- and eventually, the world will learn of what was done. By NEVER allowing criticism of Israel, they have become MORE and more corrupt, and instead of implicating a few crooks, it will be the nation and its people who are eventually blamed.

In the USA, unless we PROSECUTE George Bush for war crimes -- we are complicit in war crimes as a nation. The crooks walk off with their bag of loot and leave the country holding the bag.

Originally posted by OpTiMuS_PrImE
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Zioinst propaganda you push forth.

Israel gets no attention from media, you never see them showing all of the murdering all the Palistine children and citizens, their Government and Army is nothing less than murderers. The rightful Jewish know this and speak about it.

When lebanon was attacked several years ago did cnn not report it?

When gaza was attacked two years ago cnn did not report it?

Conversely it works the opposite way as well! Everytime israeli school buses, cafeterias, night clubs, etc get blown up by palestinian suicide bombers that also get reported.

So what exactly are you talking about? It REALLY SEEMS your interested in sensationalizing palestinian deaths while ignoring israeli casualties to push your israeli "nazi" propaganda.

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Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

How would you like to do a little exercise Earth?
A mathematical one.
Tell us how many Folks in the Dem's and Repub's cabinets say since Billy Clinton.
List there nationalities and citizenships.
Now compare that to the national ratios.
Then we could all have a look and at least see what the numbers tell us.
You know sorta like a US census of cabinet members.
We could then do background checks into the individuals.
WE could check them right back through there ancestors and see where they come from and what their influences were growing up.
What do you say?

I already know that israel has a huge influence within the american government but you and others are attempting to take it a step forward and accuse them of things they are not capable of doing nor had much to gain by pulling off 9-11.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


The guy that needs the pressure applied to him is none other than the sitting President of the United States.
He should take this tiger by the tail.
What the heck is he waiting for.
Oh, ah, I got it. He is waiting for total socialistic control so he or any other future dictator will not have to deal with 911.
Ain't that right V+A?
Crap, Charlie Sheen hasn't even recieved an answer to his letter yet.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

How would you like to do a little exercise Earth?
A mathematical one.
Tell us how many Folks in the Dem's and Repub's cabinets say since Billy Clinton.
List there nationalities and citizenships.
Now compare that to the national ratios.
Then we could all have a look and at least see what the numbers tell us.
You know sorta like a US census of cabinet members.
We could then do background checks into the individuals.
WE could check them right back through there ancestors and see where they come from and what their influences were growing up.
What do you say?

I already know that israel has a huge influence within the american government but you and others are attempting to take it a step forward and accuse them of things they are not capable of doing nor had much to gain by pulling off 9-11.

I kind of respect an answer like yours.
My biggest problem is that the" HUGE" influence, is way out of balance. That is an alarm signal. Most of those folks were appointed by Democratic Presidents. Just look at Clinton's cabinet and Barry's

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

The guy that needs the pressure applied to him is none other than the sitting President of the United States.
He should take this tiger by the tail.
What the heck is he waiting for.
Oh, ah, I got it. He is waiting for total socialistic control so he or any other future dictator will not have to deal with 911.
Ain't that right V+A?
Crap, Charlie Sheen hasn't even recieved an answer to his letter yet.

I cannot defend Obama on this score, but I could give a good reason WHY he hasn't done anything;
1) 80% of his appointments are NOT yet in place.
2) Cheney's Executive Hit Squad is still active.
3) The President is more of a figure-head, and corporations OWN the House and Senate and most of the Supreme Court.
4) The internal spying by the NSA empowered the Bush administration, and they still have enough dirt on everyone to end their careers.
5) If Obama pulled us out of the resource wars, he'd end up just like Kennedy.

Obama is a Conservative economics fellow from the "Chicago School." Your claim of "socialism" kind of discounts you in my mind as someone who can tell the difference between corporate welfare and money going to working people and the unemployed. Therefore, I'm not really ready to argue that point with you because it would very likely go nowhere. Obama has LESS tax on the Middle Class, and if he is a Socialist, than Richard Nixon is a Commie.

reply to post by Donny 4 million

Proof that Israel is one of our greatest allies
en.wikipedia.org...
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
www.globalresearch.ca...
en.wikipedia.org...

Need more??

They also have a lot of our weapons that we gave them. Can anyone name any other country that we supply our aircraft to?? other than the obvious and Israel. We work jointly with them creating new weapons and train with their military. We also store weapons and other supplies there after Desert Storm was over.
www.worldpolicy.org...
www.wrmea.com...


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Unholy Alliances - part1 Israel did 911

www.dailymotion.com...

www.youtube.com...

This video represents the first of a series on the Unholy Alliances that are now -- and long have been -- shaping our world for the worse, with an emphasis on Zionism and Israel's leading role on 9/11, which has been thoroughly documented.

also please check out ISRAEL DID 9/11: ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED


Download it, read it -- translate it into another language if you can -- and email it to every thinking person you know.

800poundgorilla.100webspace.net...

Originally posted by Reign02
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Proof that Israel is one of our greatest allies
en.wikipedia.org...
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
www.globalresearch.ca...
en.wikipedia.org...

Need more??

They also have a lot of our weapons that we gave them. Can anyone name any other country that we supply our aircraft to?? other than the obvious and Israel. We work jointly with them creating new weapons and train with their military. We also store weapons and other supplies there after Desert Storm was over.
www.worldpolicy.org...
www.wrmea.com...


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Nice try but all I see is a one way street.

The taxpayer's money leaves the USA bolsters Israel
and there are still no Israeli soldiers on the front lines in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Did I miss that some where in all those links?

Did you want members to read this? it is from your last link. Odd


Home > Archives > March03 > Using American-Made Weapons, Israel Continues to Strike With Impunity
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, March 2003, pages 8, 90

Special Report


Using American-Made Weapons, Israel Continues to Strike With Impunity
Weapons to injure and kill Palestinian civilians and destroy their homes. Unfortunately, many Americans are completely unaware that their tax dollars are being spent to fund these brutalities. If they were aware, perhaps Israel would not have the leeway it needs to commit these war crimes.

Many Americans also are unaware that the use of U.S. weapons in this manner violates a morally compelling law called the U.S. Arms Export Control Act. According to this act, countries can use U.S. weapons for the very limited purposes of “legitimate self-defense” or “internal security”—and certainly can never employ them against civilian populations. Only a sophist could argue that an Israeli offensive attack on Palestinian civilians in a refugee camp could constitute self-defense or fall under the rubric of internal security.

why the hell would we need them in the front line of Iraq and Afghanistan? I'm a veteran of both conflicts and to tell you the truth we don't even need Britian there. It's not an all out war, it's an ambush here and an IED there. It is not a traditional war that everyone seems to think it is. THERE IS NO FRONT LINES DO SOME RESEARCH AND YOU WOULD KNOW THAT.
Most of the "conspiracies" are really far fetched. We have been an ally with Israel since WWII, we store weapons from Desert Storm there, we train with their military ALL THE TIME. And recently they used white phosphorus that was traced back to the US so Obama suspended aid to their country.
www.guardian.co.uk...
It is like no matter what people find that disproves things on here people have their mind set on it and will not see anything but what they want to see. Israel is in the dog house with the US right now, that is the only thing relevant to this topic. Don't be brainwashed by the propaganda that these videos are..... Just like the video that the ARMY doesn't want you to see video. Hmm a Muslim woman was narrating it, doesn't that seem kind of weird. It is just amazing what people will fall for with a simple video stating one or two instances to make it seem like something is going on.

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The military seems to have enough. Perhaps the next time the media and politicians push the U.S. in another war, no military will heed their call.

Gordon Duff, senior editor of veteranstoday.com was on the uglytruth today. He confirms Dr. Sabrosky accusation. Although he fails to reveal the names of his sources, I found him credible. Among the things he said was, that NSA directors do know and can prove that Israel did 9/11.*

His voice sounded genuine sincere and very desperate. He sounded like a man who sees chaos and destruction coming and can do nothing to stop it. I can highly recommend this show.

(*on the USSLiberty website are also documented statements from ex-NSA directors, who confirm the survivor testimonies, not the official storyline.)

This is the link to the college in question, (apologies if it has already submitted and missed by me)

www.carlisle.army.mil...

On that site I tried to find references to the Director of Studies, I could find none. There is a overall Commandant, that is not to say that there may be Directors in departments of the college. Their search engine seems to be up the duff at the moment, so I could not find any reference to Dr. Alan S, or to any literature attributable to him, although there are various papers from others there at the SSI section. This is not to say that the thread premise information is wrong, just that I cannot verify the personnel background to this thread. There could be some kind of disassoctiation going on, who knows.

Originally posted by Drunkenshrew
The military seems to have enough. Perhaps the next time the media and politicians push the U.S. in another war, no military will heed their call.

Gordon Duff, senior editor of veteranstoday.com was on the uglytruth today. He confirms Dr. Sabrosky accusation. Although he fails to reveal the names of his sources, I found him credible. Among the things he said was, that NSA directors do know and can prove that Israel did 9/11.*

His voice sounded genuine sincere and very desperate. He sounded like a man who sees chaos and destruction coming and can do nothing to stop it. I can highly recommend this show.

(*on the USSLiberty website are also documented statements from ex-NSA directors, who confirm the survivor testimonies, not the official storyline.)

So because his voice sounds genuine and sincere you believe him? Have you ever been in a government agency before? or a cop in the military or a cop in the civilian world? Or gone to school for physcology? If you answered no to these questions then you are not trained on how to read peoples voices and body language to tell if they are lying. Israel is an ally who we train with, who fly to other American bases, who we supply and create weapons with and we exchange technology. If they did it, then why is the American government selling our technology to them? We gave them radar defense systems not too long ago, we also are in the works with them to buy some of our f35s, what other country would America let have that technology if they weren't on our side??? Most people on these forums are way too gullible.

Reply to Reign

You are right. Only because someone says something in a convincing voice is not enough prove anything. I gave my impression from the interview. You are free to dismiss it, and you are also entitled to view me as a gullible person.

In previous posts, I have provided sources, which show that dual citizens have behaved very suspicious before, during and after 9/11. Of cause many non-zionistic traitors were also involved. Israel could never have pulled something like 9/11 without inside help. Nonetheless many links point to Israel.

Israel may get arms , foreign aid and vetoes in the UN security council from the US, but she does not always behave like a good ally. An ally doesn't launch an unprovoked attack on an US ship in international waters with the intention to kill everyone on board. An ally also does not need to employ whole battalions of spies on US soil.

Israel is a receiver from US weapons, but that does not prove anything. Even an arms embargo didn't prevent the US from selling weapons to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair. By the way, Israel was also part of the Iran-Contra affair. The dual citizens Elliot Abrams and the Jew Michael Ledeen have played shady roles during Iran-Contra. Both also showed suspicious behaviour surrounding 9/11.

US and Israeli geopolitical interests may sometimes overlap, but they are not the same. Men, who have served in the IDF and not in the US forces have no place in the US government. Dual citizens have no place in government areas which deal with foreign policy, defence or national security. One cannot serve two masters.

The appointment of someone like Richard Perle as an assistant to the Secretary of Defence could only happen with criminal negligence or as part of an treasonous act.

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You have to remember that when they did attack our ship back in 1967 the Israeli government said they thought it was an Egyptian ship. Their apology was accepted by our president, also they paid a significant amount of money to the families of the Seamen and Marines lost that day, even to the injured families.

Just because someone is acting suspicious after 9-11 doesn't make them a suspect. All middle easterners and even people from India that currently live in the US or are now citizens of the US were all freaking out because they had no clue what was going to happen to them after the government said that it was Al Qaeda and they were of middle eastern decent.

We have spies all over the world, so does every country. Now does that mean that any attacks on that country can be blamed on the US? I see what you are saying and it took me a little while to think of something to say but their is no evidence to support such claims. Just like most of the American public thinks that America itself did 9-11 (which I believe) or that the US let it happen to open us up for going back to Iraq to finish what Bush Sr. never did, even though there were no terrorists in Iraq before we got there. Unfortunately we will never know what really happened that day. And I respect all conspiracies theories because you never know if it is true or not. But I think that Israel is in the clear on this one. I appreciate the respectfulness in your posts directed at me as we are on different sides of the table and most people here can be a*holes if you know what I mean.

By manipulating the shared mindset of a nation, a likely reaction can be predicted and planned. The manipulation of the mindset is achieved by targeting the thoughts and emotions of the population through the media. Years before 9/11, fundamentalistic arabic terrorists had numerous appearances in hollywood movies. They usually attacked the US for obscure, lunatic reasons.

Before 9/11 the manipulation became more specific. In the months before 9/11, Osama bin Laden had become a master villain. Also the “inhumane” Taliban had many appearances in the news (I don't want to defend the Taliban-regime. It certainly was barbaric, but so are many other 3rd world regimes which are rarely mentioned in the news). I suspected such kind of manipulative media influences before, but never brought it in connection with zionists.

This is convincingly done by Jeff Gates, who runs the website criminalstate.com. I recommend visiting his website.
criminalstate.com...

On 9/11 the manipulation accelerated. Suspicious “witnesses” and “experts” appeared and implanted the OS.

911 Clues EVERYONE MISSED

Here is some further information on Jerome Hauer, the expert on both bin Laden and skyscraper design. He is a zionistic Jew and also otherwise quite a bustling fellow.

Jerome Hauer was the director of the Office of Emergency Management, who chose the 23 rd floor of WTC7 as $13 million crisis center.
www.nytimes.com...

Jerome Hauer was also a managing director for Kroll Associates (owned by the Jew Jules Kroll), which ran security at the WTC. Hauer hired the former FBI agent and bin Laden expert John P. O'Neill as head of the security for the WTC. O'Neill died on 9/11 an so was unable to give his expert opinion.
en.wikipedia.org...

Hauer planted the idea, which linked the bioterrorism to islamic fundamentalism. He also advised the White House to take Cipro before the first Anthrax-letter was sent.
www.physics911.net...
www.911omissionreport.com...

Hyman Brown, a self-proclaimed architect and project engineer for the twin towers didn't make it into the last video. But he deserves a honourable mentioning. Here is a video, showing him on NBC, 9/11, 19:51:


And here is the truth about his professional background:

In an interview with me, conducted in June of 2008, Hyman Brown admitted that he held none of the titles attributed to him. “It was my first job out of college, I was 25 years old, and I was the guy who sharpened the pencils. . . . It was my job to open the trailer and make coffee in the morning.”

But even those modest claims are probably not true. When I asked him how he could simultaneously be in graduate school in Los Angeles and an engineer in New York, Brown told me that he “commuted” between New York and Los Angeles from 1967 through 1970, but is that credible? The typical salary for a novice engineer in 1966 was approximately $9,000, or $173 a week. The cost of a one-way ticket from Los Angeles to New York during that period was $217.65,[xi] which means that a round trip ticket was probably around $400. To believe that Hyman Brown commuted between New York and Los Angeles on the company’s dime, you have to believe that Tishman Realty, which had a fixed contract of $3.5 million, paid weekly travel fees in excess of salary for a novice engineer, who, by his own admission, did little more than make coffee. Is that credible?

Hyman Brown is currently teaching at the Ariel University Center of Samaria in Jerusalem.
colorado911visibility.org...

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Here is a 3 part video series from Jeff Gates, explaining the manipulation.

Criminal State: A Closer Look at Israel's Role in Terrorism

Part 1 of 3

Part 2 of 3

Part 3 of 3

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What about Saudi Arabia's alleged involvement as well? Seems like yet another red herring. Saudi Arabia's involvement was announced in the official FBI timeline:

www.historycommons.org...

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This really makes sense think about it the 9 11 conspiracy is the Biggest conspiracy ever by miles, the main ones being that it was an inside job and the controlled demolition and many more none of which made perfect sense but when you watch these and do some research on the Jews that own mainstream media, majority of global businesses, and western political connections ect ect it makes sense it is easy for Israel to do this they have the best trained army in all areas they have blatantly sent assassins all over the world to take out targets right in front of us yet they get away with it !