America is DEAD. Accept your DEMISE with dignity and BOW to TPTB

[edit on 18-3-2010 by ofhumandescent]

Blahblahblah, we are all going to die. Blahblahblah, you are all slaves. Blahblahblah, your government is evil supreme, and you are clueless dolts dancing at their puppet string, etc. ad naseum.

Same babble, different day.

And as horrible and evil and tragic as you try to make it sound, every day, somewhere in the world, true tyranny, slavery and despair is occurring. America has it made in the shade. You can get up, call your boss, tell him to screw off, quit your job, go picket up a sign that says "I hate our President, he sucks!," and walk up and down in front of the White House. You can then go to the beach, or see a movie, or do some fine wining and dining, while true suffering and sorrow happens around the globe. You try to tell everyone that freedom of speech is utterly dead, while sites in this country continue to exist, that in other countries, would get those who created them shot in the head.

There is political corruption, there are issues with the government, there are problems all over the place. But like the angsty, emo teens of today, you go on as if you are scheduled to be shot at dawn for suggesting our political system is unjust, while people in other countries WILL be shot for saying just that. You have no concept of reality, just your own biased, selfish viewpoint.

EVERY person in EVERY country feels their government treats them unjustly and unfairly. But government and law needs to exist. And it's nothing new that you or anyone else always feel that they can do it better. ALWAYS. Not realizing that no matter what you decide, no matter what you do, you will always anger someone. A political group, a race, a sex, an age group, a religion, parents, gays, straight folks, pro life, pro choice, gun lovers, gun haters.. you cannot win.

I just go so sick of the "Omg we are SO REPRESSED OMG!" posts. You have no clue what it is to be set upon by your government. NONE. You are living in some bizarre fantasy world where you feel you should get to do anything you want, to whomever you want, and not a single person in authority should have a say, ever. What a laugh. Get some perspective. Go live somewhere else, where they actually DO have hard lives, and then come back here and try to convince us how terrible we have it in comparison.

You seem to think everyone hates this country and our President, and our government, and our law enforcement. Not everyone does, go figure. Some of us have an idea of what "bad" really is. And this country isn't it.

i dont think he has given up so much as he has realized the size of the enemy. do you really comprehend what your going up against? do you have any idea the size of this beast? this thing is old wise massive and powerful. Im not saying it cant be defeated but you living in a fairytale if you think the people of the world can be united to defeat this thing. for one it knows everything you say and do, and can circumvent your actions. all your emails phone conversation even this thread. it is omnipotent on the net and we are all connected to it and becoming even more connected to it. once all the systems link up it will be a massive database on you. who you are where you go what you do what you eat what you drink how much you drink how much you make where you spend it what you buy and on and on.

My point is you wont be able to surprise them, they will see you and the rest of your fork wielding posse from space and you will be surgically taken out without so much as a whimper. "reality my friend doesn't care what you think".

reply to post by AlreadyGone

Ok... I am a slave...now, I will go eat my slave crab and drink a cold slave beer... at my slave place on the ICW down in Pamlico County, NC....probably have another one... gonna get up early in my slave boat and go slave crabbing and slave shrimping.... and drive on my slave road to get some more slave beer...then I'll go to slave work...make some good slave money..pay my slave bills...so I can carry my slave cattle on my slave farm to slave livestock market...then I'll have some more slave money so I can have more slave crab...and slave beer...and make love to my slave wife.

The following was taken from my original post:

You people, especially the ones so worried about your 401k, and other trinkets, are only concerned because your so-called “rights” and way of living has been put on the chopping block. For this reason, you shout about freedom, but you don’t have your fellow mans interest in mind you have YOUR interest in mind.

And

What is there to give up? So-called freedoms? Tainted foods? Sex? Clothes? Cars? Homes? Liberty and justice for all?

Only when your comforts are compromised will you take a stand…Everything I said in my initial post holds true about yourself, and with each post, you only confirm the truth of what I speak.

I guess as a free person you can live in your free momma and daddy's free basement and make up free rants about how free you are...

If I did live in my mom and dad’s basement what is it to you? Do you pay the bills? No.BTW, Thanks mom and dad for letting me live in your basement! (Sarcasm is heavily implied.) See, you’ve been conditioned to believe that people who speak out are somehow less fortunate, living in squalor and complaining, but this is far from my reality.

and argue free philosophy with your free friends in their free basements... or maybe a nice subsidized public housing unit is in order for you.... being free and all, unlike this slave.

See above. And I’m not talking philosophy. You were the one talking about the raging waters, climbing the mountains of life and whatever other lunacy you typed. I’m dealing with reality, and the reality is, we’re finished.

Or you could be an adult that has screwed up his/her life so bad that there's no fixing it and you blame all your problems on the UN/NWO/Illuminati that are out to get you and keep you a slave...

No, not at all. In fact, the first enemy is not the UN/NOW/ILLUMINATI. I made that quite clear in the OP.

Don't know, don't care...I have slave crab to steam....have a nice day.

The fact that you constantly ramble on about steamed crab, as if it is some great delicatessen that cannot be purchased by the average Joe, proves my point about you.

The point I have been trying to make is that America is not dead... there is still opportunity out there for everyone. You can make it, I see it all the time.
I personally know people that came here 5 or so years ago with only the shirts on their back, now have a home, family, good job or own a business. It took lots of hard work and scrimping and saving.

As for being a slave, there is always gonna be a bigger fish...law of nature. But many are a slave to masters of their own making.

Enjoy the opportunities offered, enjoy and live each day, and when/if someone or something comes to take it away...fight for it. Don't just fall over and watch them eat you alive like a docile sheep. Fight, you might just win.

of course we won't get anywhere with people like you about! do your friends, family and the world a favour, run a nice warm bath, bubble bath and everything, take a couple of sleeping tablets and enjoy that bath!! Please.

Or, dont be such an embarrassment to the human race and grow a pair!

Take what is of value to you, leave what is not, do not take everything as factual, do not dismiss a single part of it, remain open minded, 'feel' as you listen. He speaks with true clarity. Ultimately 2012 IS time for massive change, not just 2012 but now already and continuing beyond, it's not decided what it will be as yet as we are all playing a part in deciding it. The question is do we face this consciously with awareness and an open mind and heart or do we blindly continue playing our inauthentic roles in an inauthentic oppressed society that ultimately has no chance of continuing in the same manner as we see today, how and what this changes into is up to us, individually and collectively... It's the only game in town, are you aware of the rules or are you being swept along by the tide? We are the one's we've been waiting for. If not you, then who? If not now, then when?

reply to post by EMPIRE


If life is so good, why are you so pissed off? Yes steamed crab is good... fresh from the crab pot and into the steamer...you should eat more crab, maybe you wouldn't be so upset... philosophy over a cold beer is good too. Especially with the sun setting over the sound.... wow, water looks like glass. Hard to tell where the sky ends and the water begins...anyway, ...oh yes, your upset because we are slaves. What would be freedom to you?

If you could move out of that basement, what would be freedom to you? Maybe steam crab over a dose of social revolution? Would you be happy then? Do we need a hug?

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
i dont think he has given up so much as he has realized the size of the enemy. do you really comprehend what your going up against? "reality my friend doesn't care what you think".

One of the things I know is that you cant convince someone theyre better than they believe.
It's obvious when the words are a continued defeatist game over speech that they truly believe it's game over.
Fair enough?!
Game over for those who choose to concede.
Game on for those who dont quit so quickly.
It's pretty simple.
I'm going to leave now and let you guys get back to putting stars on your final manifestos.
Seriously, good luck.

i think a lot of people on this thread are missing a vital point here. what he is saying isnt a fabrication we all seem to agree on the fact that we are in deep trouble. what i dont think most of you realize is the task at hand if indeed you think you can fight this monster.. you cant. stop deluding yourself, on your own or even with a group you cant win. it has been tried a million times over. the fact that we are having this debate proves it wasn't victorious we are all still slaves.

you cant fight this thing it feeds off your desire to fight it uses your own fire against you. can you not see that? your like a bird that keeps flying into a mirror. your never going to get to that other room its not real its just a mirror. (try to read through the metaphor)

I personally think if America is 'dead' it is only on internet message boards. The only place this 'PTB' and 'NWO' exist might just be right here on this misnamed 'information superhighway'. This entire internet culture is getting just a bit tiring: anti-this today, anti-that tomorrow.

Time we all face the possibility that certain groups,sentiments and opinions seem to exist ONLY on the net. Is it possible we on here aren't exposing any NWO but are in fact collectively fabricating it? Creating a modern day urban myth that has taken on a life of it's on?


My .02 cents.

Is the US in trouble...sure. Have other countries and empires been here before...yup. Should I just roll over, and let them screw me....nope, not gonna happen.

While we still have a country with freedoms...I'm gonna ride the pony. However, when it folds up on itself...it will be up to me and other idealist with a strong belief to formulate another country...one with rights, and self determination, and laws for all men..and women.

If all you're gonna do is submit...might as well buy a ticket to N. Korea.... not me. I'll live free..and eat my steam crabs...or die trying.

Oh, pass the Old Bay Seasoning please.... where's that bottle opener?

reply to post by AlreadyGone


once again your demonstrating you inability to see past the micro and into the macro. you logic is based on a very limited understanding of your reality. you equating eating crab with living well? all your demonstrating is what you deem a good life is your not making any actual counter arguments to the OP. stay on topic. You either agree, disagree, or dont care either way.

if you agree then you know whats going on. if you dont then you havent seen enough to convince you yet. if you dont care your probably too busy eating crab or watching sports or trying to get a better car than you neighbor. and playing the game in general thinking that your free and that there is a goal and a prize. ironically Gaol as opposed to Goal means to jail.

[edit on 18-3-2010 by TiM3LoRd]

high vibrations cancel out low, low, lower than low vibrations. This thread started on a very low vibration. You're only imprisoned if you LET your mind be controlled too. love and light will always prevail in the end.

reply to post by ShiftTrio


I love how the first retort to his post called him a racist. This is a prime example of what he is talking about. You can't even get past the color of a persons skin to see what he is saying is 100% true.

EMPIRE,

You are truly sad indeed, and I pity you more than I should, because something must have happened so horrible in your life that you feel that nothing is worth fighting for, yes? I will not flame you as many others have, because I can see what you are saying from a certain point of view. But I will not agree with you at all on your statements.

What you cease to understand is that there is still some good in this world that is worth fighting for. You have just decided to cash in your chips and start licking boots. Well, there are plenty of us out there that will not take kindly to this. You say the enemy is too big, you say that there is no hope, you say that we are all slaves to "the system." I disagree. Four men heard all those words before when they founded this Nation. I'm sure at times that they felt hopeless and without cause to keep going on. Yet they did. The persevered. They fought. They bled. They watched their countrymen die along side of them. But they did not give up. This generation will be the one to make or break the fate of not only our Nation but of the world. This generation is the last hope that future ones have for having a truly free life. If we have to sustain freedom through the price of blood, so be it. I will not give up without a fight, and neither will many not only in this country, but around the world. I only hope that you come to your senses some day and realize that, like I said, there is still some good in this world worth fighting for.

Don't give up so easily, because it is far too tempting to do at this point in our history.

But then again, maybe you are just another troll looking for a rise out of people to serve your own twisted sick sense of humour. I feel pity for you on that account too. Go hike a mountain, or go swimming in a cool mountain stream, or go sky diving, and tell me that there isn't anything left worth fighting for.

They will not come if we fight it. They might have the money, but we have the enduring human spirit that has kept our race alive for eons. Sounds like you already lost yours.

I would ask you to reconsider littering these boards with your rhetoric, because it's truly toxic, but I have a feeling you won't.

But I will support your right to say it, because I still believe in that "piece of toilet paper" you call the Constitution.


Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Oh sorry. It's just that your thread is so funny. Thanks for the laugh

I guess I'm enslaved to this system. Oh well. I don't really care what anyone thinks. If they think they own me, fine. I don't have pride issues. That's not to say that I am ashamed of myself, but I have no use for being proud when I can simply enjoy life. Happiness is the purpose of life, nothing else. I live every day to bring joy to myself and others. I still get depressed at times, but when its over I can appreciate life even more. That's all that matters, really. Enjoying life. You said yourself we're going to die anyway. Might as well make the best of it. Besides, it's not that bad, dude. Come on. If you think it's so bad, then go blow up a federal building or something.

Edit:
Perhaps I should have a little bit of sympathy for you, though. But then again, anonymous sympathy won't help you. You need professional help. What you need is to get laid. (I am entirely serious)

[edit on 18-3-2010 by OrphenFire]

Dude...I keep mentioning the crab to piss you off and turn the knife a little deeper...are you really that naive to fall for such a ploy.

Listen, I half agree with what y'all are saying...but I really don't agree with the other half of what you are saying. Don't focus on the crab and look at the context of my comments....quit living a sad, imprisoned life and enjoy whats left... and look to make things better... to do so you have to fight sometimes.

I can't resist it... I just put in some more crabs.... hot sauce anyone?

reply to post by EMPIRE


This is passionately written and somewhat entertaining, Empire. I imagine you somehow feel better for writing it...for getting it out of your system and onto the page before you. It seems like a good bit of spring-cleaning, and like this bit of cleaning it would suggest you would need to do it again. Do it again when the demons dirty your mind through their comings-and-goings. Please do so if you must, but allow me to give you some advice, first.

In essence, you are instructing people to accept your momentus disclosure and accept their fate within it. But what you are apparently failing to notice is that not everyone on here is riddled with your sickness, and as such not willing to accept your sickness within them. And it is not the sickness of the issue you have spewed onto this post - even though spewing and vomiting comes with some distress and malfunctioning within the body - but the genesis of the arguments you are deperately trying to grasp and help alleviate in us. "The Powers To Be" and such talk all stems from an origin of psychological discovery and knowledge you are presently lacking.

I would suggest you go and start reading the Masters of Philosophy and Psychology - from start to finish - and see what they had to say on the topics you've raised so crudely. Then, paint yourself into the landscape of metaphysical understanding this knowledge holds, and then write something similar but from a more refined and knowledgeable perspective.

Look at it as NOT reaching for the lowest common denominator.

I look forward to your next piece of work.

Thanks for the entertaining read, I must admit I did enjoy some fits of laughter.

Cheers,
Daniel Moszkowicz. (The Troll-King of Chatsitea.)



[edit on 18-3-2010 by Daniel Moszkowicz]

reply to post by AlreadyGone

The point I have been trying to make is that America is not dead... there is still opportunity out there for everyone. You can make it, I see it all the time.

There is opportunity to make money, I’m in a growth industry, but I also know this country is finished, and that trying to fight this machine will simply do no good. Like TiM3LoRd is telling you guys, you have no clue how extensive this beast is, how long it has been alive and the inner workings.

I personally know people that came here 5 or so years ago with only the shirts on their back, now have a home, family, good job or own a business. It took lots of hard work and scrimping and saving.

Slaves.

As for being a slave, there is always gonna be a bigger fish...law of nature. But many are a slave to masters of their own making.

And who are our masters? The people who tell us what to purchase? The people who sell us our BMW’s and Lexus’? The people who tell us funding for education is getting cut and class sizes will increase?

Enjoy the opportunities offered, enjoy and live each day, and when/if someone or something comes to take it away...fight for it. Don't just fall over and watch them eat you alive like a docile sheep. Fight, you might just win.

Fight for what? The opportunity to have better food? To drive a better car? Ok, so I have those things, but what about my fellow man who is living in poverty and barely has enough to eat? What about the young woman prostituting herself because she can’t afford a meal or because she’s hooked on heroin?

If life is so good, why are you so pissed off? Yes steamed crab is good... fresh from the crab pot and into the steamer...you should eat more crab, maybe you wouldn't be so upset... philosophy over a cold beer is good too. Especially with the sun setting over the sound.... wow, water looks like glass. Hard to tell where the sky ends and the water begins...anyway, ...oh yes, your upset because we are slaves. What would be freedom to you? If you could move out of that basement, what would be freedom to you? Maybe steam crab over a dose of social revolution? Would you be happy then? Do we need a hug?

Who says I’m pissed off? I’m not pissed off. I’m calling it how it should be called, nothing more. I’m accepting things for what they are, pissed people usually don’t do such a thing. In regards to crab, again, you most likely have never travelled outside your comfort zones if you think steamed crab is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I’m in the bay area of California, in SF there are plenty of crab spots, and on average, every weekend someone is throwing a crab feed in the bay area. It’s common here, so is beer, so relax and address the points being presented.

What would be freedom to you?

Freedom is one of two things.

1. DEATH.
2. A lie we’ve been told to pacify us and allow us to escape reality for a limited time.


[edit on 18-3-2010 by EMPIRE]

[edit on 3/18/2010 by murphyhurtme]