Why most ATS members will never fight the NWO: you are all talk

This reply will be lost in the sea of replies but the point the OP is making is valid. His delivery is arrogant but he is right. For the most part people will freak out when confronted with an extreme situation. For every 50 people I see on the street daily, 80% of them appear they would be worthless in a struggle. On the other hand you can not discount the multitude of average people that are of the type that run to the scene of a massive cotastrophe to lend a hand. There are all kinds out there. If you want to know what kind I am....well, I am sure there is a gps coordinate for my house somewhere in your databases.


Edited: for % sign.

[edit on 18-3-2010 by NotAnumber]

I only fight for what I make a stand for and its not through violence I do it properly through the legal system, whats left of it that is.

Originally posted by kozmo
What is it with all of the bravado and absolutes??? Some in this thread are making this out to be a "Either take gun and start killing people or be killed yourself!" To that I say, WTF!?!?

Take it easy everyone. We didn't get into this mess in 20 minutes and a 20 minute gunfight isn't getting us out of it either. Just like in any combat situation, there is usually an escalation of hostilities that evoke strike/counter-strike behavior in the participants with each escalating a little further until... it's over!

The reality of the situation is that any "War" with the "NWO" would procede along the same escalation scenarios as any armed conflict, assuming it even evolves into one. I have a sneaking suspicion that just like the revolutionary war, the "Common" man would suprise everyone by fighting curageously - if it came down to that point. There would be ample operant conditioning to prepare him/her for the eventual physical battle.

History, people, history... it has much to teach us... in regard to how these kinds of things get started, how they can be avoided and how people are likely to respond. It is just such a shame that no one is willing to take the time to learn from it.

Well said and the authorities personnel are just normal foes like you and me who are just doing their jobs even though a lot of them have been brain washed into their jobs a lot of them only do it to put food onto tables for loved ones and going about fighting these guys with violence isnt the answer when a lot of them would retalliate because that's what they are trained to do however these people still have feelings and I believe a lot of them would think to heck with this and try and stop the fighting's and wars breaking out by talking to people and communicated in a more mannerable sensible manner.

People need to read up on history and learn not to repeat it.

[edit on 18-3-2010 by DClairvoyant]

Mehhhh!!!....Mehhhh!!! means: "Puulll My Strings toooo!!!"


Sit back in that lazyboy and just enjoy the show... Would you like caramel or butter covered popcorn? Shhhh.... the previews are starting!!!

I don't know about you, but i sure as hell would not hesitate to shoot someone if i witnessed him shooting someone, and not immediately indicating he is police/agent and it was a "legal" action.

Now if shtf and unrest happens, i might not care anymore if it's a cop, just if what he did was justified for the situation.

IDK if the difference in viewpoints comes from the fact that practically every man is forced to join the military here, so everyone is trained for it, not just "the army"

Of course there are many who would not act like this, just as many would only stand and gasp if someone is assaulted on. But luckily there usually is enough 'normal' people around, who stop a beating if one happens in a crowd.

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Let me know how that works for you when they come for your daughters. Hypothetically for you of course. I have three.

reply to post by manbird12000

Strong or not, physical action can be easily handled with today's military technology. It doesn't matter how strong you are when faced against an army that is convinced YOU are the terrorist! Go try it and tell us how that worked out for you.

Exactly.

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So you wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone if they were shooting someone else ?

And someone with the same attitudes as you would not hesitate to shoot you when they saw you shooting someone

Then along comes someone else and they'll shoot the guy who shot you


Yep. I can see this New World Order nodding its head and smiling at that

More than one way to depopulate the place

Actually, it might be a great idea if everyone was provided guns and ammo
then the World of Warfare crew can go about killing each other and free up resources for the non-gun-happy

What a load of piffle this all is

I would never fight a NWO because I dont know if it is good or not, you dont either

besides, why fight against something that you cant fight

and, no matter what to do, the only way to fight the people that control every human being alive, would be to make every human being alive wake up

but thats not possible, so, if you want to "fight", you already lost

some guys here are nuts

please dont throw a plane into a building ...ok

reply to post by hyperion.martin


"...we can sniff you out and you bore us..." My first question to you would be...Who died and made you god? What gives you the right to come on here and try to belittle those who have not seen combat? Freedom of speech?Keep in mind,that works both ways.The folks on here have the same right.Because you have seen combat,that makes you a bigger man?You don't even know the people here that you so callously disregard and show utter contempt for.What a big man that makes you! Another question I would have is...WHAT are YOU going to do about it? If and when it comes down to it, are you going to 'sniff' out your fellow countrymen and put your fancy weaponry to their heads because they 'bore' you? Because the powers that you serve gives you an order to do so? You strike me as one who enjoys intimidating those who are physically weaker than you.Be honest with us here,do you support the atrocities that the government carried out upon Randy Weaver and his family at Ruby Ridge? Do you support the government atrocity that is now known simply as Waco? That high horse that you are setting on will not protect you when you choose to go into battle with American citizens. It's easy to come on here and play the big man about being in Iraq. You did not fight a one-man-war in Iraq.,you were backed up by how many of your fellow Americans? And what kinds of weaponry? Then you have the balls to come home and try to belittle ATS members that want to preserve their nation? Just what the hell were you fighting for over there,if not the preservation of AMERICA ? This type of rhetoric is disgraceful. And FYI, this opinion comes from one who falls within your 2% theory. I think you owe those fellow Americans on here an immediate apology.There are better ways to express yourself than in the offensive manner which you did. Semper Fi .

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besides, why fight against something that you cant fight

and, no matter what to do, the only way to fight the people that control every human being alive, would be to make every human being alive wake up

You're talking too much sense

(and you're ruining their testosterone war-porn)

This is like listening to the little girl over the road

She swears she can jump over cars

(but she's 4 years old)

Phobia is an irrational fear. What the OP describes is TERRORISM. The majority of Americans have been TERRORIZED into submission by their own government. Your fear of being imprisoned is rational and the possibility you might end up six feet under for resisting is real. There are no phobias involved here.

Learn the meaning of the words you're using.

www.answers.com...

A phobia is an intense, unrealistic fear, which can interfere with the ability to socialize, work, or go about everyday life, that is brought on by an object, event or situation.

That's why Bin Laden and al-qaeda seem like a joke to many of us. We've been terrorized our whole lives by the domestic fascists right here at home. A bunch of "rag heads" in a cave in Afghanistan don't scare us at all. It's Darth Vader's storm troopers in our own hometown who are the real threat.





[edit on 18-3-2010 by Crito]

reply to post by hyperion.martin

First, I'd like to say that I am part of the 2% (if your statistics are even correct). I am an army paratrooper veteran and have seen my fair share of aggressive situations and violence. Why are we veterans able to cope with hostile situations and not most others? Simply because we have been trained and acclimated so we fall back on that training when a situation goes "pear-shaped". Our acclimation and training helps to keep us from panicking and our minds shift to a "zone". I don't think we are "special" as a general rule, just that we chose a path in life that gave us the skill to actually perform under fire. Of course there are people who simply couldn't cope, regardless of training but I'm sure that most would show positive signs with effective training. I don't think we will be put in a situation where conventional fighting will be possible for a revolution, simply due to the current socio-economic climate, but if it were, a simple militia training program could easily bring the common "Joe" up to speed and make an effective fighter out of him. This is especially true if the average "Joe" had a special reason to fight, such as the preservation of family, culture or perceived freedom. The Art of War by Sun Tzu has some pretty good instruction on this very topic. In sum, the difference between "us" and "them" is our experience and training and just maybe our will to be trained in the first place.

I think far too many in this thread are taking the acronym NWO and running with it, and missing the point behind the thread.

It could be NWO, it could be China, it could be ANY hypothetical enemy.

The point is the reaction to combat, not WHO the combat is against.

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"The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty."

Your textbook model refers to a 2% group. But does your textbook explain the 0.001% group?

A group that can sustain the highest thresholds of pain, that are virtually fearless with a heart that barely skips a beat under the most extreme conditions of danger and shock, that literally long for their own death each day they live?

How do I know such a group exists? I am a member, and I say this without pride.

Death is a paradox, as a “citizen of eternity” it’s ultimately impossible to “die.”

NO FEAR!

BTW the self-serving NWO "elite" can have my life, if they want it. I’m just hoping to make it through this existence and to the other side, knowing that I had the compassion to forgive the selfish NWO, who are destined for unimaginable hardships.


[edit on 18-3-2010 by seasoul]

The OP is correct. People who have never experienced real combat have no frame of reference to draw upon. Even with military training, the first encounter with real combat is traumatic at best. The idea that people who have never experienced combat or had suitable training are going to mount a meaningful offense or defense is unlikely. But let's take it a step further.

You've been forced to bug out on foot with your family. You are armed, but prefer to stay hidden to avoid the authorities. You are in a fairly large patch of woods in a sparsely populated area near your home. A 3-man fire team is conducting a routine patrol to weed out people like you. You are well hidden and manage to get the drop on them and disarm them. Your wife assists you as your 2 youngish kids stay hidden. So now you have 3 prisoners. If you let them go, in an hour you will have Helicopters with thermal imaging all over the area looking for you. What do you do?

Originally posted by above
I don't know about you, but i sure as hell would not hesitate to shoot someone if i witnessed him shooting someone, and not immediately indicating he is police/agent and it was a "legal" action.

Now if shtf and unrest happens, i might not care anymore if it's a cop, just if what he did was justified for the situation.

IDK if the difference in viewpoints comes from the fact that practically every man is forced to join the military here, so everyone is trained for it, not just "the army"

Of course there are many who would not act like this, just as many would only stand and gasp if someone is assaulted on. But luckily there usually is enough 'normal' people around, who stop a beating if one happens in a crowd.

Sounds like the makings of vigilante lynch mobs to me. In this scenario, who decides who's right? If you're killing a guy who kills a guy...who's justified? Where's the court system for this type of "justified" action.

We need minds not might. No good can come from destroying an empire and replacing it with another. It's been done for thousands of years...never worked because the replacements end up behaving just like the replaced.

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Americans have never felt the tread of enemy boots on their soil, have they

Sure, they've BEEN the enemy

but always 'over there', 'somewhere else'


Will be interesting to see how Americans cope if the boot's on the other foot

remembering of course, that the days of hand to hand are over

Nukes on the major cities and that will be that. Power, communications, water --- all will be cut off

and it will be hand-to-hand then, with American against American for scraps of food and water

When the enemy hints it might begin releasing water and food

Americans will stand obediently in line with their hands out

and that will be that

barely a shot fired

and Americans handing over their guns in return for a loaf of bread and holding out their arm for the chip

The new warfare. And it won't be like those 'true to life' video games

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C co 325 A.I.R.here brother airborne

reply to post by hyperion.martin

YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. The fight is already raging and the NWO is doomed to fail.

It has nothing to do with military tr*ining. It is a battle of perception.

PERCEPTION IS REALITY. We the people WTP are waking up and realizing our collective unconscious controls the world.

It is being changed one mind at a time. I say NO to you and your negativity. I never gave you permission to think for me.

Peace is coming. The soldiers of the world are dropping their weapons. The ball is rolling. It is picking up speed.

You are just another nattering naybob of negativity who joined in November.

The NWO is doomed by WTP!