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Originally posted by Dock9
And just because it might sound and feel good to certain people to believe that gangs of stalkers follow them around --- and subject them to 'psychic attacks' --- and 'use through-wall' technology to target the reproductive organs of targets --- etc. etc.
... it's all simply conspiracy-site filler, isn't it, when it's deconstructed logically
But when it *IS* deconstructed logically
it all FALLS APART
Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by MajorDisaster
Might it be suggested 'they don't leave any evidence' --- because there is no evidence --- because it didn't happen, apart from the fevered 'me centred' imagination of the self-claimed 'target' ?
Same with the alleged 'psychic attacks' ?
The abuse of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, Ripa, is by far the largest element in the revelation last August that 500,000 official requests to access phone and email records were made in 2008 – the equivalent of one in 78 adults coming under some form of surveillance by the authorities in the United Kingdom.
The issue here is about abuse and proportionality, not whether the law has been broken. Two recent reports suggest that the surveillance of people for misdemeanours is unlikely to decline despite assurances from the government and Home Office that local authorities were being reined in.
A freedom of information request by the Lancashire Evening Post has found that applications made by Lancashire county council under Ripa laws targeted cleaners who failed to show up for work and a care assistant who claimed too much on travel expenses. "A person in Chorley thought to be selling counterfeit goods via eBay, people pursuing false personal injury claims, and a retailer selling furniture not up to fire safety standards were among those investigated using powers granted under the act," the paper reported.
In last year's annual report, the surveillance commissioner, Sir Christopher Rose, raised concerns about direct surveillance such as the bugging of public places, taking photographs of suspects and the use of covert human intelligence such as informants and undercover agents. Of course this has always been part of police investigation into serious crime, but it is frightening to see these tactics routinely deployed in trivial circumstances.
His fears came to mind when I read a quote in the LEP from Jim Potts, a trading standards officer, who said: "We have simply recorded that a member of staff has seen another member of staff do something at work, in the way that managers can and do every day." How easily that trips from Potts's lips, but what of course he is unwittingly justifying is the informant society.
Anti-terrorism laws used to spy on noisy children
Councils are using anti-terrorism laws to spy on residents and tackle barking dogs and noisy children.
A council yesterday admitted using laws designed to track serious criminals to spy on a family for nearly three weeks to find out if they were lying about living in a school catchment area.
The family are angry after Poole borough council, in Dorset, revealed it had followed them and watched them at home to check whether they lived in the correct area for one of their three children, a three-year-old girl, to be accepted at a local school.
The council used the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) to draw up a list of the mother's movements from February 13 to March 3, showing the times and exact routes of school runs with her children. She told the Bournemouth Echo that the record, shown to her by a school admissions manager, included detailed notes such as "female and three children enter target vehicle and drive off" and "curtains open and all lights on in premises".
The authority said it had used such "physical surveillance" on six occasions under RIPA, which allows councils to carry out surveillance only if they suspect serious crimes, including terrorism.
This is NOT a new phenomenon! This is a tactic used for centuries in differing manners
Originally posted by Nventual
Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by MajorDisaster
Might it be suggested 'they don't leave any evidence' --- because there is no evidence --- because it didn't happen, apart from the fevered 'me centred' imagination of the self-claimed 'target' ?
Same with the alleged 'psychic attacks' ?
Agreed.
I had been giving the poster some leeway in terms of realism but after saying they shoot things through walls at reproductive organs and the verbal abuse is actually 'psychic' or in the head, I really have to wonder..
‘Mosquito’ devices which emit high-pitched whine to help disperse teenagers from street corners could be banned by the European Union
on the grounds that they infringe children’s human rights.
Originally posted by Dock9
There has ALWAYS been 'work place mobbing' ! ALWAYS !
It happens in the police force
It happens all through the education system
It happens at all levels and always has
It's not new
Originally posted by Dock9
I agree
but it's nothing like the 24/7 Gang Stalking/Stalker Gangs' claimed by the OP
What it is, in most instances, is a vindictive and systematic campaign against the target by those who have most to lose if the 'target' gains credibility or threatens to expose 'those with most to lose'
and sometimes, into the mix are introduced those who carry some clout within the population -- such as the police, or government or medical workers or government officials. It varies from case to case, naturally -- and sometimes members of religious groups/orgs are involved
But '24/7 Gang Stalking/Stalker Gangs' are (if in existence at all) the exception/rarity. And it's the claims of such 'Gang Stalkers/Stalker Gangs'
and of '24/7 monitoring and controlling of the victim/target' to which I'm objecting here, because it's out of proportion and simply cannot be substantiated
So people are not getting placed under anti-terror investigations and being followed around for little things?
Gang Stalking: Psychological Targeting in a Group Setting
The average functioning individual does not have a lot to be logically paranoid about. Sure, there's the occasional whisper that you overhear and think is about yourself. There's also the fear that someone is following you. Then there is gang stalking.
This is the ultimate form of paranoia that turns out to be a well-founded suspicion and mistrust. Gang stalking is when a group of people decide to target an individual and attempt to control aspects of that individual’s life and monitor them 24/7. Generally, this is done without the person actually knowing about this organized stalking group, but if a person does find out, the results and helplessness can be devastating.
According to gangstalkingworld.com, “gang stalking is experienced as a covert psychological, emotional and physical attack, that is capable of immobilizing and destroying a target over time.”
Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by Harassment101
So people are not getting placed under anti-terror investigations and being followed around for little things?
Quite a departure from your original post, isn't it ?
Anti-terror surveillance is a far cry from the 'Gang Stalking/Stalking Gangs' you describe in your OP
For example, the title of your thread:
Gang Stalking: Psychological Targeting in a Group Setting
Then there's the bulk of your OP:
The average functioning individual does not have a lot to be logically paranoid about. Sure, there's the occasional whisper that you overhear and think is about yourself. There's also the fear that someone is following you. Then there is gang stalking.
This is the ultimate form of paranoia that turns out to be a well-founded suspicion and mistrust. Gang stalking is when a group of people decide to target an individual and attempt to control aspects of that individual’s life and monitor them 24/7. Generally, this is done without the person actually knowing about this organized stalking group, but if a person does find out, the results and helplessness can be devastating.
According to gangstalkingworld.com, “gang stalking is experienced as a covert psychological, emotional and physical attack, that is capable of immobilizing and destroying a target over time.”
Once again:
'Gang stalking is when a group of people DECIDE to TARGET an individual and attempt to control aspects of that individual's life and monitor them 24/7'
And the best you can do to substantiate this is to cite official Anti-Terror surveillance ?
I believe the case is closed
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[edit on 15-3-2010 by Dock9]
Originally posted by Harassment101
reply to post by ChickNorris
gangstalkingworld.com...
I forgot about the mosquito.
‘Mosquito’ devices which emit high-pitched whine to help disperse teenagers from street corners could be banned by the European Union
on the grounds that they infringe children’s human rights.
Another good way to mess with people. They use all sorts of cheap tricks, and oh yeah sensors that can go through apartments to track targets. Let me see if I can find the link, for through the wall sensors. Heart rate monitors. Simple things, but since most targets don't know any better when they start getting messed with, it just sounds crazy.
Originally posted by Dock9
I believe the case is closed
[edit on 15-3-2010 by Dock9]
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by Dock9
I believe the 24/7 idea is a bit much but I still believe that some governmental agencies are not above using the tactic and taking hours a day watching and laying the traps to impose the idea of panic in the targeted person or persons. And in doing so get the results they wish to obtain. Hell, all of those spy novels and movies can't all be a figment of the authors imagination!!
Zindo
No this is a myth that must be stopped. This is not individually vindictive individuals. Our communities have been turned into informant networks under these community policing programs. The same networks like they have in China or had in East Germany.
Since it's already in place, once a target is added to a list, the flagging begins, and so does the harassment. This has to be exposed, cause it's destroying innocent people.
Hell, all of those spy novels and movies can't all be a figment of the authors imagination!!
Originally posted by Dock9
There have always been informants. We know that
But you're claiming (in line with forum-claimants who insist they're the targets of years' long Gang Stalking/Stalking Gangs) that groups of individuals in obviously organised gangsare stalking targets '24/7' --- are breaking into their homes --- are targeting their reproductive organs -- are subjecting them to 'psychic attacks' !
Emotional Vampires: Dealing With People Who Drain You Dry
These are the claims !
And there are those in this thread who're agreeing and claimiing to BE victim of these thousands-of-hours targetting !
We've all read the posts in numerous fora
The individual sets him/herself apart as WORTHY of million-dollar victimisation/stalking campaigns
These people BELIEVE they are worthy of elaborate, complicated, expensive targeting campaigns to which alleged others are prepared to devote their entire lives, money, energy, etc.
which of course is narcissism gone mad !
Then the thread switches course and attempts to validate itself by referencing Anti-Terror surveillance --- which is an entirely different kettle of fish
and which Ministers are required to justify
So make up your mind, please, as to what kind of 'Gang Stalking/Stalking Gang' operations you seek to expose
Are you seeking to draw attention to the largely fictional claims by deluded individuals claiming to be the CENTRE of an elaborate, complicated, technological and 'psychic' series of attacks ?
Or are you seeking to discuss organised, governmental and other intimidatory campaigns aimed at whistle-blowers, activists and assorted 'potential terrorists' and illegal immigrants, etc.
Because they're different species
The claims you quoted in your OP state that Gang Stalkers/Stalker Gangs DECIDE to target an individual. And these are the claims of the deluded which we see most often in conspiracy forums who claim 'stalkers' are after them ... are following them ... are displacing objects in their home ... are filming them ... are swapping teams as soon as they're noticed, etc.
And it's the ranting of the delusional.
Because as I said in my first post, NO ONE surrenders their own life and interests simply in order to follow some individual around '24/7' .... just for the heck of it
Yet those who claim to be victim of 'Gang Stalking/Stalking Gangs' believe just that. They believe they're of such immense INTEREST, that up to 50 or a 100 others are focused on them
On the other hand, if someone is a political activist or a religious nut, then sure, governments might decide you 'pose a risk' and they may submit an application for funds in order an official surveillance-team might monitor your activities, your associates, etc. Usually all this time and money uncovers nothing comprising a real threat. But in order to justify the time and money devoted to the operation, those responsible will tart up the reports. And the media will tart it up even more for public consumption
The end result, as a rule, is payment (from public funds) of compensation to the surveilled individual
Originally posted by Dock9
These are the claims !