Incoming: SOHO observes a halo CME heading our way.

This is like the 20th thread with ominous 'spaceweather' pictures I've seen on ATS.

Don't mind me, moving along...

This is just in time for the March 16th Californai quake prediciton...
But of course, that will just be a coincidence.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

A couple years ago, several members of ATS started a great thread
Called the Severe Magnetic Storm Research Project
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I wish they would return to that, or that it itself could live on.

Just as a matter of interest, has anybody observed the sun at sunset or sunrise? The new sun is shown above at sunrise and below at sunset. This is giving us more energies and affecting our behaviour etc. The weather will also worsen as Mother earth does her thing.

Let's look at this CME with more interest.

Should an earthquake or earthquakes occur, then it prove that the sun is affecting the Earth's plates theory may be correct.

It is sad that the scientific establishment is keeping mum over this, in their dogmatic beliefs to never challenge the status quo, except to keep old and outdated concepts alive, in these critical times.

I can understand their need for data accumulation to support any theories, but such data does take times, and as climategate scandal had proven, the scienfic establishment is not below falsifying data or manipulating to suit their thesis, the way economists often do, and with full public impunity call it science.

It doesnt really hurt anyone if no harm is done, but the real harm is doing nothing or worse, doing something that may not help at all.

Make no mistakes, climate change is real, and had happening throughout the history of mankind on Earth. Blaming human fault is not a solution, nor is the stupid idea of carbon trading a correct focus, which is only another authoritarian coporation money making idea.

The real focus is how we can protect mankind during this period of change and movement of Earth into an uncharted territory in the Universe, that affects our solar system.....

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by johnnygun207

 

They are not the same thing. A solar flare is a strong outpouring of electromagnetic energy (x-rays, UV, visible light). A CME is an eruption of matter.

Solar flares are often (but not always) associated with CMEs. The energy of the flare reaches us at the speed of light. The material from the CME usually takes several days but has been known to reach us in less than 1 day. The CME associated with the Carrrington event in 1859 reached Earth in 18 hours.


[edit on 3/14/2010 by Phage]

thank you kindly for the clarification.

Originally posted by Mcfadzien
Just as a matter of interest, has anybody observed the sun at sunset or sunrise? The new sun is shown above at sunrise and below at sunset. This is giving us more energies and affecting our behaviour etc. The weather will also worsen as Mother earth does her thing.

I'd love to hear what you see....new sun?

reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne


I am also gathering data on the earthquake/cme link.. but with a twist!

First of all, there is already strong scientific evidence to suggest that during a solar minimum, when the sunspot count is at it's lowest, there are more earthquakes:
www.springerlink.com...

What I have found:
Coronal mass ejections effect the Earth differently than solar flares. The plasma-like material that is released from the sun during a cme (mostly electrons and protons) can cause both geomagnetic and radiation storms. As it makes its way to Earth, it slams into solar wind, releasing bursts in radio waves.
[I am sure most of you have heard of Nikola Tesla. Tesla believed every substance has a resonant frequency. He built a machine capable of matching and amplifying the individual frequency of any object. When a frequency is successfully matched, the material can be shaken to pieces. He eventually perfected his device in 1898 and used it in New York, causing several buildings in the area to resonate. Police arrived just after Tesla took a sledgehammer to the machine, realizing what damage it could actually do. The device became labeled Tesla's "earthquake machine".]

Material and waves from cme's can penetrate water easier than land. If they are able to reach an already unstable area along a fault line and cause it to oscillate, I believe it could trigger an earthquake.
[Also, 90% of the world's earthquakes occur in the ring of fire. This 'ring' encompasses the pacific plate. There are no continents within this region.. only water and a few islands. The only other planet/moon showing evidence of plate tectonics is Titan (Saturn's moon) and Europa (Jupiter's moon). Coincidentally, Titan and Europa are the only other planets/moons with liquid water. Plate tectonic activity on Mars is now thought to be extinct, as is most of it's water supply.]


We could definitely be on to something..

reply to post by eight19


no damage will only knockout mobile phones etc and power grids at the northern hempisphere and a few auras even if it does reach us,,

Solar flares eject high-energy plasma (atomic particles) into space, which could be very dangerous (for a few hours) to any astronauts outside the the Earth's magnetosphere. In the future, astronauts who spend long periods of time on the Moon or traveling to asteroids or to Mars will need protection against occasional large solar flares. But solar flares pose no danger to us on Earth. The worst that can happen is some damage to electronics in satellites; for this reason some satellites are temporarily shut down for a few hours following a large flare. In very rare instances there can also be an effect on power grids on the Earth. However, most of the wild claims on the Internet about the danger of solar flares or other solar activity are just simply untrue. Concerning the solar system, no, the spacing of the planets does not change. However, the solar luminosity has gradually changed over time, and we receive about 30% more energy from the Sun now than we did 4 billion years ago. For this reason there is a very slow, long-term warming effect, but the actual surface temperatures of the planets also depend on atmospheric composition and the greenhouse effect. Venus is hot primarily because of its huge greenhouse effect, not the slow brightening of the Sun.

coronal mass ejections......

When the ejection reaches the Earth as an ICME (Interplanetary CME), it may disrupt the Earth's magnetosphere, compressing it on the day side and extending the night-side magnetic tail. When the magnetosphere reconnects on the nightside, it creates trillions of watts of power which is directed back toward the Earth's upper atmosphere. This process can cause particularly strong aurora also known as the Northern Lights, or aurora borealis (in the Northern Hemisphere), and the Southern Lights, or aurora australis (in the Southern Hemisphere). CME events, along with solar flares, can disrupt radio transmissions, cause power outages (blackouts), and cause damage to satellites and electrical transmission lines.

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reply to post by jumpingbeanz


also another link of one from 2000

www.ess.washington.edu...

Just got back and checking in. For the most part it all seems under control on in here.
Have to have a look see what else i can find that hasn't been said.
Any updates are much appreciated.



[edit on 15-3-2010 by pazcat]

I'm going to steal a link that came from Pauligirl in another thread thanks for that, it has some good information on the stargrazer comets that some are claiming caused the CME.

sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil...

It has been suggested that comets "hitting the Sun" cause solar flares and CMEs. Indeed, if you watch movies of many of our comets, you will see that they do indeed coincide with CMEs. However, there is no relationship between the two, and it is purely coincidence that we see this. Around the peak of the solar cycle, we often see ten or twenty CMEs per day, and on average SOHO discovers a new comet once every three days. So it is really no surprise that we frequently see the two occur at the same time.

Seems like that particular CME had arrived.

Japan, Indonesia, Sri Lanka suffered tremors.

Chile had a blackout on Sunday 2350GMT, blamed on its power transformers.

Now for the next one.....sigh...

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101



Actually not too much has happened in the magnetosphere today. I wouldn't say it has arrived as yet. Certainly not enough to effect any power transformers anyway. I would be looking for a more terrestrial cause for that.

www.swpc.noaa.gov...

reply to post by pazcat


Thanks for the info. I've checked the daily 3 hr interval Kp planetary index plots ( Geomagnetic storm) and it shows the index at 2 during Mar 14 and Mar 15 and currently now subsided. ( an index of 5 would mean severe magnetic storm and aircrafts would have to be grounded immediately)

Those particles do travel at the speed of light and should have passed us by...

I've also looked into the GOES 11/12 satellite magnometer chart. Particles are passsing through it at 110nT peak and 60nT low during the period of 14 through 15th Mar. I do agree and hope that the transformer problems in Chile are indeed terresterial, as it seems that the particles are low on the E radiation frequency scale. Hopefully the GOES satellite magnometers covers ALL regions of Earth.....

I am of the opinion that most if not all of our weather and earthquakes can be attributed to solar activity. The sun is very powerful and deserves a lot of credit for most everything that happens on this planet.
To whoever it was that said "there are no continents in the ring of fire" you should learn your geography/geology before making comments like that. North America, South America, Asia, and Indonesia are all continents that are part of the ring of fire. Chile, Mexico, California, Oregon, Washington, Canada, Alaska, Japan, the Koreas, Russia, China, India, the Phillipines, Tonga, New Zealand and even Antartica are all part of the ring of fire.


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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by pazcat

 

Thanks for the info. I've checked the daily 3 hr interval Kp planetary index plots ( Geomagnetic storm) and it shows the index at 2 during Mar 14 and Mar 15 and currently now subsided. ( an index of 5 would mean severe magnetic storm and aircrafts would have to be grounded immediately)

Those particles do travel at the speed of light and should have passed us by...

I've also looked into the GOES 11/12 satellite magnometer chart. Particles are passsing through it at 110nT peak and 60nT low during the period of 14 through 15th Mar. I do agree and hope that the transformer problems in Chile are indeed terresterial, as it seems that the particles are low on the E radiation frequency scale. Hopefully the GOES satellite magnometers covers ALL regions of Earth.....

I could be wrong here but I'm pretty sure only the light goes at the speed of light, the particles from the CME take between 18 hours-3 days to hit us depending on their speed and size.

From spaceweather

This could be just the beginning of a really terrific display on March 16th and 17th. That's when a solar coronal mass ejection (CME, movie) is due to hit Earth's magnetic field. NOAA forecasters estimate a 30% chance of geomagnetic activity and a 5% chance of severe geomagnetic storms. Sky watchers in Alaska, Canada, Scandinavia, and northern-tier US states such as Minnesota and Wisconsin should be alert for auroras

[edit on 15-3-2010 by whoshotJR]

Reply to post by eight19

That last bit about what continents are in the ring of fire in my last post was for you. I figure you got your information from Wikipedia. You should have actually read it instead of just stating what you thought was fact.


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True but there are other high energy particles can reach us much quicker than that.

en.wikipedia.org...

Solar flares release a cascade of high energy particles known as a proton storm. Protons can pass through the human body, doing biochemical damage. The proton storms are produced in the solar wind, and hence present a hazard to astronauts during interplanetary travel. Most proton storms take two or more hours from the time of visual detection to reach Earth's orbit. A solar flare on January 20, 2005 released the highest concentration of protons ever directly measured,taking only 15 minutes after observation to reach Earth, indicating a velocity of approximately one-half light speed. The radiation risks posted by prominences and coronal mass ejections (CMEs) are among the major concerns in discussions of manned missions to Mars, the moon, or any other planets. Some kind of physical or magnetic shielding would be required to protect the astronauts. Originally it was thought that astronauts would have two hours time to get into shelter, but based on the January 20, 2005 event, they may have as little as 15 minutes to do so. Energy in the form of hard x-rays are considered dangerous to spacecraft and are generally the result of large plasma ejection in the upper chromosphere.

reply to post by dbloch7986


Take a look at the map on wikipedia's 'plate tectonic' page:
en.wikipedia.org...

The pacific plate, located in the ring of fire is surrounded by continents, but none of them are within the boundaries of the plate itself. I was also right in my statement that the ring of fire does not contain a continent.. however, it does run along the borders of many continents. Here is a photo of the ring of fire for reference:
www.ims.truepath.com...

Geophysical Activity Forecast: The geomagnetic field is expected to be at quiet to unsettled levels for the next three days (16-18 March). The increase in activity is due to a recurrent coronal hole high-speed stream on day one and day two, and a slow moving partial halo CME observed on 13 February arriving late on day three.

www.swpc.noaa.gov...

It would seem it is not moving as fast as expected and is only expected to cause 'quiet to unsettled' levels of activity in the next few days.

Also what i would like to push if there is anybody up North who has the chance to witness the Auroras you should be in for quite a spectacle as the skies are already buzzing with activity.

A solar wind stream is heading for Earth, and so is a coronal mass ejection (CME). Together, they add up to a geomagnetic storm alert for March 17th and 18th. The impact of the solar wind plus CME will brighten Arctic skies already alive with Northern Lights:

spaceweather.com...

[edit on 16-3-2010 by pazcat]