Primary School Children told they will be taken from their families in Holocaust 'game'

Originally posted by Kurokage
In my early teens we did something similar in school to do with nuclear attacks, we all had to split in to "families" and had 3 minutes to decide what to take with us into our "shelters". We had a room and some boxes we had to gather together, as well as to pretend to make a shelter. We were given an emergency like the dog escapes or grandma has fallen down the stairs and would end up having to make the decision to leave someone outside (the person would have cry out to us, which was quite gut renching at a young age).

[edit on 11-3-2010 by Kurokage]

I remember doing this same excercise. I think it was in an English class when I was 12. It was fully explained that it was a creative excercise and I had great fun drawing plans of an underground bunker as I loved art. I don't remember the decision making though.

As for the exercise in the Mail article and similar ones centred around UFO's I think it is totally unacceptable. A child learns to trust someone in a position of authority such as a teacher or policeman and to feel secure in certain situations like the classroom. For a teacher then to decieve and engineer a staged event like this would have a huge pyschological impact. It's pulling the rug from under the kids world and is totally unnecessary. Children know when they are watching TV, a play or reading a book that events are fictional and they have the choice to involve themselves in scary scenarios or not, there is no such choice in these recent school exercises.

As others have commented you do not need to go through a horrific event to emphasise or write about it. Authors don't actually need to go out and do the things they write about in their books. I wouldn't be surprised if these 'excercises' are some kind of psychological research.

Israel's holocaust pity plea is going to end one day people will get fed up of it.

This got me thinking. Sometimes laws are made to forbid actions that in the absence of the law would take place. Such as people talking on cell phones while driving - now banned in many countries/states/provinces.

Is that a coincidence that hate-speech laws are passed primarily on the grounds of anti-semitism? Or jewish holocaust denying?

Makes me wonder, though, why we don't pass laws that punish the denial of ANY genocide, not just the jewish holocaust?

Likewise you would expect Rawandan's to speak of genocide thats happened there in exactly the same way.

But they don't. Neither do the Ukrainians, nor the Manchurians. They don't lobby for laws to be passed the same way that the Jews do. It's not wrong, to spread the awareness of atrocities. But let's talk about all atrocities instead of highlighting just one.

the holocaust on the otherhand, was executed at the behest of one insane leader given total power

Really? Do you think that one individual was given total power? If all his officers and subordinates did not subscribe to his way of thinking, nothing would prevent Hitler from being toppled. Don't buy into this Hitler was the source of all Nazi evils. They had officers from all sorts of ranks who supported the Nazi ideology and carried it out.

in a cold and indifferent manner via government policy in a developed country, under the noses of its own people.
It was done with disinformation and phsycology, slowly and deliberately
it was premeditated, planned to high degree. It was acheived not only by murdering anyone who opposed it, but by subterfuge and lies and deceit of the general population.

You should read up more on Bolsheviks and their taking over of Russia, the establishment of the USSR, and Stalinist policies into the 1970s.

Besides, countless members of the German populace (and even some military officers) were sympathetic to the Jews and did not agree with the views of the Nazi party. Hitler didn't unite every single German into being a Jew hater.

Imagine everyday Americans In the street, turning a blind eye while you and your neighbours were shot in the head by soldiers or loaded into trucks, knowing where you going, men, women and children.

I'm sorry to say that, but are you really that naive? Many non-Jewish Germans and Polish and Czechs and Russians and Ukrainians sacrificed their own life in order to protect innocent people (Jews).

You demonstrate a lack of understanding when you speak of witnessing an armed unit dragging people out onto the street and shooting them. Complacency was not by choice. It was forced, people had no choice. The ones who did, sometimes made a different choice - many stood up. But they were powerless in the face of the opposition. To the German army, it meant absolutely nothing to shoot another dog down. And you were just that.

Same with Soviet deportation of political dissenters and members of various religious groups. People were completely powerless to do anything about it. Some hid enemies of the state. Only to be shipped out with them or shot. Those who hide, were discovered eventually.

You cannot underestimate the feelings of helplessness, utter helplessness, and the complete futility of your actions. That's the kind of atmosphere such atrocities were carried out in.

But open systematic degredation to the level of animals by your own government so that you can be murdered enmass is incomprehensible I think, unless you experienced it first hand.

And yet, what we are witnessing in the United States is what Germany experienced in the 1930s, and what USSR experienced after Bolsheviks took power. Systematic, deliberate propaganda and desensitization.

The people that the government wishes to eradicate are painted in a negative way, progressively, gradually, but effectively. Just look at how gun owners are painted in the US - domestic terrorists. The government is interested in disarming its citizenry. That's what happened in Germany and USSR. So that the next phase of control can be brought in. And once the government is on a rampage, beware. There will be no sympathy for anyone who stands on its way, and the population will be quite powerless to stop it. The trick is to make the population powerless BEFORE the government goes on a rampage. And that's what we're witnessing now, only people study holocaust, but they neglect (carefully orchestrated) to learn what led the government to the level where it was able to carry out such an atrocity. Tell me, these school children, are they taught how the holocaust happened? Why it happened? WHat policies the government took over the course of years and decades to end up in the position to carry it out? No.

I will reiterate my stance, that the Jewish holocaust is a terrible, terrible atrocity that must not be forgotten. We also must know of other atrocities and never forget them. Only then we will be able to distinguish steps that lead to such atrocities, and hopefully prevent them from taking place.

I think this is what makes the holocaust uniquely horrific among attrocities of history.

To address this... You've been brainwashed. That's precisely what these little school reenactment acts teach/accomplish.

The holocaust is by no means unique, not in the modern world, not in the ancient world.

And if you read biblical history, you will recognize that the Israelites or Jews were committing the very same atrocities based on ethnicity or religious persuasion.

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You wouldn´t believe what people can do, ironic given the subject matter.

Do you think that one individual was given total power? If all his officers and subordinates did not subscribe to his way of thinking, nothing would prevent Hitler from being toppled. Don't buy into this Hitler was the source of all Nazi evils. They had officers from all sorts of ranks who supported the Nazi ideology and carried it out.

Complacency was not by choice. It was forced, people had no choice. The ones who did, sometimes made a different choice - many stood up. But they were powerless in the face of the opposition. To the German army, it meant absolutely nothing to shoot another dog down. And you were just that.

Ask yourself why I have posted both the above quotes to be compared. See an inconsistancy?

The holocaust is by no means unique, not in the modern world, not in the ancient world.

Its uniquely horrific in MY WORLD mate!

It's happened again.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

This is looking more and more like some warped experiment on the kids being conducted by someone high up the chain of command in government.

Originally posted by Hephaestus
It's happened again.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

This is looking more and more like some warped experiment on the kids being conducted by someone high up the chain of command in government.

Good Find!

What a cruel thing to do to kids.

In a letter to parents, the school said: 'We have reflected on the matter and now feel that the time delay was too long and pupils should have been reassured instantly to allay their concern

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... tPfO

Gee dont admit it a stupid and cruel thing to do, whatever you do. Never admit liability.

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I found this article and started a thread on it.

Thank goodness people here can see the stupidity of this sort of exercise.

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I appreciate that mate. This is another incident extra to your initial post.

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Sorry, I should have been more specific. By 'this incident' I meant the one you cited - about the teacher being 'shot'.

Originally posted by berenike
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I hope somebody explains very carefully to those kids that the suggestion they had lower IQs because of their birthdates is totally wrong. They're so vulnerable to suggestions coming from adults, especially those they trust. And who are there to teach them.

Imagine getting a piece of information like that from a teacher. You'd always have a bit of a lingering doubt no matter how much they told you that they'd made it up for a game. Or actually, let's be blunt, Lying.

What sort of person would even think of something like that, let alone think it was a good idea to tell it to kids straight-faced.

I hope someone explains it too. However, even if someone does, inferring inferiority coupled with that sort of emotional trauma can make sort of a psychological sticking point. A subconscious base belief if you will. It can be difficult to get around or root out. Even with a trained professional.

This was disgusting. I cannot imagine what convoluted thought process would allow this to go forward. As someone said up there, I wonder about a possible desensitization process as well.

Originally posted by Flighty
Who ever devised this is mentally ill in my opinion.

Maybe they should give this teacher a taste of their own medicine.

Do a role play on how they treated "idiots" 100 years ago.
Have a white van with doctors and nurses arrive at the class to collect the teacher.
After being put in a straight jacket, administer drugs if they resist.
Put in back of white van and deliver to a real mental health facility where they can spend 24 hours in a padded cell.

Oh yeah, WITHOUT mentioning that it's all only a gag/role play for 24 hours.

Don't forget shock therapy. (Or at least the threat of it.)