Trillions in Debt? I Know, Lets Give Out Free WiFi

U.S. Considers Some Free Wireless Broadband Service

Quick search didn't turn up results. If so, sorry for the duplicate thread.

Now that that disclaimer is out of the way....really?

When has everything under the sun in this country become a necessity? Why should some get free WiFi, while others that earn a living have to pay for it?

Why work anymore right? I mean, if you are struggling to make your normal everyday living expenses such as shelter, food and clothing you should be handed free broadband! Bah!

Post Script

So here are some few questions:

Is this going to turn into an attack upon ISPs to lower their prices?
Another attack on private industry?
Why do some qualify, while others do not?

Did you know you could be a millionaire and fall under the poverty line according to government standards...so in effect, you could receive all the plentiful benefits....

I throw my hands up; this has become beyond ridiculous...

[edit on 10-3-2010 by ownbestenemy]

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Free Wireless access to broadband gives the opportunity to work anywhere, therefore stimulating growth and aiding a currently deadened economy.. think about it.

As a short to medium term investment, this is actually an excellent idea.. Numerous areas in the EU have this already.. And its not exactly like it costs a fortune, the basic infrastructure is already there..

Once the system is in place, it can be sold to private industry when a means to profit from it has been identified.. Advertising etc

reply to post by Dermo


If a company wishes one to have the ability to work from anywhere, then they can provide the means.

This isn't to stimulate growth. This is aimed at rural areas where internet access is scarce and uneconomical and where most high-end job holders do not live.

I'm sorry. That is a poor excuse to put in such an infrastructure. I do enjoy though that every project proposed by the Government is now to 'facilitate job growth'. Seems that buzz-phrase isn't working. They will be out of the focus group next week with a new one.

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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
I'm sorry. That is a poor excuse to put in such an infrastructure.

You are entitled to your opinion.. obviously.

But if you can't embrace the future without complaining, then you can always move to the Middle East where they seem to love that kind of thing

Yeah, that's no going to happen. There are massive areas of the country that don't even have cable television or even land line phone service beacause of small population and remoteness. No way thyere suddenly going to get wifi. The cost would be outrageous.

But I suppose anything is possible. If we all have gov wifi that means we'd all be subjected to the gov policies and rules to use it. Every MAC tracked and registered to you. Every site you visit and post or email you write cataloged.

Even One of Americas most worthless mayors, John DeStefano, decided to pull this program from his city.

And, if they don't want to commit to installing all of this infrastructure in the middle of nowhere so 10 people can get wifi why would they waste any time or money to do it for the urban centers? In even the smallest city and many towns you can't walk 10 feet without hitting an unsecured broadcasting gateway.

Wasteful and stupid.

I work a small town library. We have the typical public PC's. 99.9999999% of the time they're just used by dirty old men to look at porn or stupid kids to check their MySpace profiles. The vast majority of webspace is pointless waste and recreation. That really doesn't need a multi billion dollar taxpayer subsidy.


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reply to post by ownbestenemy


the internet should be free.
The only concern i have is that if its coming from the government, you can guarantee it'll be highly monitored and policed more than ever.

And it'll probably be setup like everything else

we middle classers will pay for it
only the poor will have access to it
and only the filthy rich will be able to exploit it


[edit on 10-3-2010 by Snarf]

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

the internet should be free.
Except that if its coming from the government, you can guarantee it'll be monitored and policed more than ever.

I know this isn't the conspiracy forum. But I'd like to point out Australia is also getting government broadband. I wonder if this is happening in other countries?

Some other things we've had happen here recently is proposals for each student to have a tracking number. And each person to have a special medicare number that is tracked via a central database (This has happened in Britain too, possibly elsewhere)

We have Newborn screening (DNA samples) and I know that happens in a lot of western countries.

I might be stretching here. But with all these initiatives coming in multiple places from different governments it seems to be a global agenda.

Originally posted by belial259
all these initiatives coming in multiple places from different governments it seems to be a global agenda.

Its a similar stretch with the whole New World Order thing..

Its basically the civilized evolution of the human species..

If a Government wants its population to be as productive and competitive as possible in a globalized world.. Why wouldn't they want them to have constant access to EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION EVER!! lol

Its not a conspiracy.. Its the future.

Some countries started building roads to make it easier to travel.. then other countries began to do it. No Global Agenda.. Just profit and common sense.

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I know, right? Nothing will make us more productive than mass censorship, the tracking of our every movement and national DNA databases. The Nazi's were super-productive. Just look at all they accomplished.

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lol..

Well, every frontier to expand runs a risk of being exploited..

If we could all only see the bad in things, where would we be?

You see government intervention more.. I see it more as growth as a species.. Neither of us is wrong or naive.. At the end of the day, personally I can contribute more to the "Growth as a species" part than I can to Anarchism in order to kill off Governance.

And whats the point in comparing our future to NAZI Fascism when noone knows what direction it is going in. I know fear sells but whats the point in buying it? If I was to try and explain my outlook on the whole situation, we would need a bigger internetz.

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I bring up the Nazi's because of things like this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.wsbtv.com...
abcnews.go.com...

I can go on all day like this and have plenty left over.

Absolutely no good comes from government. For every one person who might be helped out there are dozens more being ground up in its gears. There is no such thing as a benevolent or altruistic authority. Even god is a vengeful and petty jackass.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Absolutely no good comes from government.

And the alternative system of Anarchy is better?

For every one person who might be helped out there are dozens more being ground up in its gears. There is no such thing as a benevolent or altruistic authority. Even god is a vengeful and petty jackass.

I know this one of those Yank things that I can't understand but have a strangely subtle respect for..

At the moment, we have it in almost all EU countries that government is scared of the people.. Not the other way around. Hence when the protests and riots start, the Governments usually melt...

Our completely detached EU Federal Government that pisses everyone off is still a couple of decades away from being "In your face" Powerful.. But along with the bad comes an equal amount of good..

And the whole terrorism thing is blatantly obvious.. No longer can the worlds powers kick off with huge wars that create nationalist pride.. In a globalized world, the enemy to scare you into submission is internal.. This is Patriotism for a new age.

Obviously there is a huge amount of things that get to me over the whole Big Brother thing but I realize the problem is not with the governments forcing these things on people in most EU states.. Its the fact that more conservative people are looking for these things because they are scared of change. (Conservative has a slightly different meaning over here).

And that is what pisses me off the most.. not the blundering governments that will eventually change these policies when they are voted out as a result of them.





[edit on 10/3/10 by Dermo]

reply to post by Dermo


Dermo you skipped all else I said. I was expecting a back and forth. Is that because you cannot refute that this isn't being put into place to 'grow jobs' or 'facilitate jobs', but rather it will be yet another special interest group entitlement program to lure people from the private sector onto the public's tit?

Someone did say here that the Internet should be free...content wise, I totally agree. As far as the service provided, I just do not see why people think they are entitled to something that requires work and effort by others to provide to be handed to them freely.

Oh well, I guess I am just a free-market capitalist pig...

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Well excuse me lol..

If its aimed at low population density, rural area's then I have no comeback for that..

Maybe your government has a soft spot for those poor unfortunate people who have no access to pirating free stuff..

I can't believe you have a problem with that..

I just do not see why people think they are entitled to something that requires work and effort by others to provide to be handed to them freely.

Why don't you move there and pay taxes there in order to avail of this wonderful service.



So the government comes with Welfare, Healthcare, Big Hearts.. And Now.. For a limited time only.. Free Broadband.

Sounds like France to me mate.. Maybe you should leave and move to the Czech Republic or Hong Kong.. Word is they are the new Capitalist Paradises

reply to post by ownbestenemy


There is no arguing with a totalitarian.

It is their way or the highway, see the argument of moving somewhere to get free services?

C'mon peeps, ever read any history? No, probably not.

Ever hear the saying, Thomas Jefferson: “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.”


No?

[edit on 3/10/2010 by endisnighe]

Heckfire, bring it on. I don't think the cable companies and telecommunication companies lost quite enough employees during the recession. I mean we must be completely fair about creating more dependents on the system throughout all industry sectors, right?

And since it hasn't been said yet, bet the free broadband only accesses Internet 2.0

Originally posted by endisnighe
There is no arguing with a totalitarian.

Im not a totalitarian as I have said above.. I don't like big government either BUT what I am saying is that the dude above may be freaking out a bit about the whole free WIFI thing..

And you on the other hand are called "EndIsNigh".. Am I supposed to take you seriously as someone who uses rational thought?

It is their way or the highway, see the argument of moving somewhere to get free services?

Do I have to write [joke][/joke] around jokes for Yanks to cop onto?

Im the one that is seeing both sides in this argument.. you guys are stuck on the whole "Everything is socialist and evil" crap so no need for the hypocrisy please

Ever hear the saying, Thomas Jefferson: “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.”

Thomas Jefferson? Some dude who is mentioned somewhere in our history books as a one time terrorist, turned revolutionary, turned Government?

That was a joke btw.. I know how much you guys love your founding fathers..

Yes overly intruding, big government is bad.. Im not doubting that.. Or suggesting it in any serious way.. You seem to want to think I am.


What my argument was is that adding a few free Wifi hotspots is hardly the beginning of some Socialist or Authoritarian system.. Knowing basic economics without trying to see some mass evil conspiracy will show you that internet access creates innovation the world over. Fact.

But, obviously everyone is completely entitled to their opinions so if you want to be afraid or angry all the time which will inevitably cloud your scope .. work away

[edit on 10/3/10 by Dermo]

I agree access to information should be provided free or advertised based much like the radio is today. This includes internet and cable. While I believe this and have said it for year. Electricity, city water, sewer, and trash pick up should be provided free first.

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I did not mean to demean, hey, that is kinda good.

I am me and you are you.

I believe in self and others believe in groups.

Here is the thing about my avatar, the march toward non individualism, will lead exactly where every other collectivist attempt has lead. Tyranny.

Tell me of any society that has gone the collectivist way that has not led to tyranny? One.

Where the group is more important than the individual, the group can do anything it wants to the individual.

Period, no argument can beat this premise.

Sorry, I do not mean to be insulting. There is but one truth, anyone that backs the group over the individual, are totalitarians. Or what other descriptor would you use? Collectivist is a nicer, more evolved name, but it ALWAYS leads to tyrants, be it individuals with the power over the group or the majority over the group.

Study history and tell me what I have said is not true.

Tired of control freaks and things that are SUPPOSEDLY free.

Nothing that is worth having, is free.