The Really Secret Societies

So has anyone been invited to any societies that they feel they can talk about or just the ones we always hear about?

~Astral

Most secret societies are linked to each other in one form or the other. New members, or lower ranked members have no idea what their society is about. They are generally people who want to help their community by way of charity etc. When, and if these people reach the upper echeleons of their organisation, they are invited to new and previously unknown rituals, where they are sworn to secrecy. The benefits they reap from this is usually so attactive that they accept the terms, without realising the consequences.

Maybe you will find this of interest, Smudge.

www.alpheus.org...

I would have to disagree with our friend above who said that most secret societies start out as just general community organizations with people who want to just help out being drawn in deeper and deeper.

While this is how a few of the societies work, (probably the most common example is the Masons although I doubt they are quite as powerful or secretive as some say) the vast majority of the secret societies I have encountered are smaller, and everyone has at least some idea of the goals and aims.

Truly the smaller groups weild more influence as a larger group is usually too hard to control and internal power struggles develop. The smaller groups can also be quite old as well with many of the Christian groups dating back to the Middle Ages and a few of the Pagan groups tracing history back to the Pre-Roman and Classical eras.

These groups also usually are not bent on any kind of New World Order but instead wish to better and enlighten the world. There are those though, particularly in the newer fundamentalist Christian movements wish to bring about a single world religion or a pre-enlightenment version of the "end times"

~Astral

The organisations don't start out that way. The people who join them, think that is what the organisation is all about

Mr Leveller, I read the article you linked to with great interest and although much of it was not new to me, there were a few pieces there I hadn't heard before. As such I took away the relevant references and will endevour to catch up with those at some stage.

Further to our previous exchanges I feel you may believe that I in some way am a fan of the ' Bloodline Theory .'
If that should be the case let me assure you, that this is not so. I believe it to be poppycock of the highest order. As to the Priory, I am at this stage still unsure of their true date of inception or their true agenda.
I do believe however that the subject at hand, being the lineage and protection of knowledge of the esoteric groups 0 bc to present, is not truly understood mostly due to the many false leads, some the product of over imaginative authors others by groups requiring some accreditation through association. To that end I enjoy sifting through the stories and making my own mind up. I sometimes, in conversation, use the stories as proof of enough evidence to warrant closer inspection. I feel I must justify my cause thus, because any airing of the potential links between groups and ideaology are often shouted down by people who are convinced that because of the odd fraud there is,
' nothing to see here '
In particular reference to the Abbe Saunier Rennes-le-Chateau affair, there has indeed been many unhelpful books written on the subject, however the facts remain.

Unexplained increase in income for Saunier at the same time of his renovatons.
The architecture of the church itself ( still standing for your inspection )
The popularity of the church with leading occultists from Paris, including Calve et al.
The murder of contempary and friend of Saunier Antoine Gelis.

Gelis was the parish priest of the village Coustassa situated on the other side of the valley to Rennes le Chateau. He was known to have met with Saunier days after the discovery of a tomb at Rennes le Chateau. He too came into some money directly after the renovations at Rennes le Chateau, some 14,000 fr. This money was left behind after his murder despite his house being completely ransacked. After the murder Gelis' body was laid out ritualistically and the murderer had written a note,' viva Angelina.' More interestingly his tombstone ( apart from the others and facing Rennes le Chateau ) was engraved with the Rose Cross!!!
When in the 1960's this death was investigated there were no church records of the incident and information was collected at a later date from the local police.

Without the use of the words ' Priory of Sion ' this tale is most interesting in regard to the bigger picture discussed earlier. I also feel it is justified to use this story, as was the intention of my original post, as proof of secret societies within the church at this time, and potentialy at all times since the birth of christianity to present.


[edit on 6-6-2004 by Smudge]

Hmm. Well I'm a fundamentalist, a Master Mason, a 32nd Degree Mason and a Knight of St. Andrew. I have been a member of other secret societies as well but the Masonic Order is the only one with which I continue to be associated.

I have never met one Mason of any sort with any stated desire to "take over the world."

So I have this suggestion: Why don't the people who think this is true just join?

You must pass investigation and an interview, and no Mason is allowed to invite anyone to join. Each person who wishes to join must approach another Mason (or go to a Lodge) and state they wish to join, telling the organization why you wish to join. Pay your fees and dues. That's it.

The Masons are a charitable organization. I'm not sure it's truly a "secret society" (except in the sense they do hold secrets) since virtually everyone on the planet knows about the Masons. If this were truly a secret society, it would be unknown to the public at large.

Robert W. O'Neal, MSM www.onealclan.com (Bible Code and End of Days website)

In the last 6 weeks I was in a school program designed to train adults to work in various new industries opening up in this area. According to the "facillator", the training was all about being in a group, working in a group, how to be a "group" kind of person. In the FIRST week, I wrote an email to the teacher because I didn't want to eat "lunch" everyday in the classroom. I was promptly called out and in a private conversation told that I couldn't have lunch time "free", that everything about this class was to let me know that no matter what I wanted to do or how I wanted to spend my free time, I HAD to do what the group wanted. (this making a good employee??) This conversation deteriorated into this statement being made by the teacher, or "facillator," or whatever it is they wanted us to call him....He said to me..."Don't you know, Ms. ...., that in ......., you HAVE to go along with what the group wants. IF YOU DON'T, there are groups out there that will monitor your every move, and if you don't do what they want, they will KILL YOU." I was like, what in the heck is this guy's PROBLEM? So, to all you elite group people, WHO WAS HE TALKING ABOUT? Is this the kind of secret society you guys are talking about...who are these "elite groups" who you must do what they want or they will kill you? And what in the sam hill is that being taught in a local technical school for? Needless to say I quit the class, and needless to say, I am more disillusioned about the United States and what is going on here every day. So tell me, what kind of groups and "secret societies" are there in the United States like this....anyone know?

Lily~

What industry exactly were you taking classes for? This really doesn't remind me that much of any Secret Society that I have had any contact with, however there are some very disturbing corporations in the United States, Europe and Asia. Some firms in Japan and those doing business in Africa and SE Asia now have private "Security Consultants" which are really private military units.

I seriously doubt that just asking to have lunch elsewhere would earn you anything near the eye of anyone that would want to kill you. I think it's also equally possible that your teacher-thingy-person had a bit of a screw loose himself. Even the Soviet's secret police probably wouldn't care where you ate.

It kind of reminds me of something out of an Orwell novel honestly. I wouldn't put too much thought into it, unless this teacher-whatever was training you to be an NSA agent or something, and if he is, sounds like you've got bigger problems LOL.

May Peace Travel With You
~Astral

In certain "southern" states, which will remain nameless, there are statewide programs set up to train people to be certified workers. There is a car manufacturing plant, a major one, coming into this area shortly, and "supposedly", we were being trained for jobs that had something to do with that. The whole class has turned into a complete joke from what I understand. (I left the program) A lot of things in the state I live in, having to do with education, ARE a complete and total joke. Case in point, the "facillator" couldn't read. That was number one. I'm being honest. He couldn't even READ. But, it did strike me as majorly Orwellian, especially the way he directed the conversation, and I wondered if this is what is being promoted in corporate America...and I have HEARD that there ARE groups around the USA right now that tend to target individualists and all. ANYONE ever had anything remotely similar to this said to them?

And, the car manufacturing plant is from South Korea.

before everyone goes braindead one must realize the question is more powerful than the answer.

Originally posted by topsecretombomb
before everyone goes braindead one must realize the question is more powerful than the answer.

Care to tell us which question this would be?
___________

Lily~~
how do you know the facilitator could'nt read? How in the world would he learn his routine? I can't imagine if he is well-spoken that he didn't read.

Also, I have been to employer-run seminars and the like. Often, we were NOT allowed to leave the premises for lunch. The reasons varied.
Could they have been trying to determine if you could follow instructions and do what you were told? Possibly subtle things said or done to determine your success on the job.
How serious was this threat?

Lily:

I can honestly say that I have not been through the southern United States much, probably the farthest south I have gotten (other than a trip to Disney World lol) would be Nag's Head North Carolina, and that was just to spend a bit of time surfing.

I will say though that my week in NC was somewhat marred by the locals anti-liberal ideas (and vandalism of my friend's car) though, which has made me less inclined to go back.

I really haven't heard of many companies or organizations that would go after an individual person just for getting out of line so to speak. That said, I have heard of people loosing their jobs for not following the group, especially when it comes to unionizing factories. A factory I have heard of fired several workers just as a show of force because someone pinned a union rep sheet to the employee boards.

That being said, in Asia, there are several crime groups, Yakuza, Triads, ect, that are quite involved in the everyday business of many industries, I haven't heard of them outwardly killing people just for expressing individuality, but I haven't studied them all that much.

May Peace Travel With You
~Astral

How do I know he couldn't read? Because he read out loud. I think that when you completely lose words, mix words up, can't read words, and completely lose the meaning of the paragraph, there's a problem. Was this the post where my IP number was in an icon this morning like a sign someone was holding...and then it listed that I was on web tv? Was that this post...?? Anybody want to answer? I'm looking all over these boards for it right now...I wrote down the IP number when I saw the post because I thought it might possibly be mine but didn't seriously think about it...and sure enough, I was right. Look, if somebody doesn't like what I posted on here, it was just a general inquiry as to whether or not anyone had had anything like this said to them or not. It's ok, I'm discussing this with someone tomorrow. Yes, I took "the threat" seriously, especially in light of certain "things". Yeah, there are "secret societies" out here in the USA...all you people who want to feel important and "special"...you're all a joke in my opinion, and that includes ALL secret societies...hey its a free country and thats what I think. God bless the USA Sorry I intruded on your post

....forget Above Top Secret.... this place should be called Beyond Paranoia

Lili, you really need to get a grip, and cut back on your caffeine intake. That is meant to be humor.
Take a deep breath.

Lily, calm down, I highly doubt anyone here is trying to do you any harm.

The little sign guy, yea he did tell you your IP, some people have it in their mini-profile but it's not ment to be a hack or anything. It will always tell the user their own IP, not anyone elses.

I think you may be taking this all a bit to seriously, unless you've angered some society openly, I really don't think you have too much to worry about.

Try to relax, maybe you could use a holiday or something.

And don't worry you weren't intruding on the thread.

May Peace Travel With You
~Astral

I would be happy to tell you whatever I can about Masonry. I am a Master Mason and a 32nd Degree Mason and a Knight of St. Andrew (also a Masonic degree but also a supplementary organization within Masonry.)

Some parts of Masonry are unquestioningly secret but most of these have to do with recognizing another Mason. The education within the organization may often be secret, but most of this training has to do with leadership, morality, history and science. Masonry has nothing within its halls that interferes with one's religious beliefs (although all Masons believe in a Creator) and nothing to do with taking over the world, controlling the economy or other fantasies of the paranoid.


www.onealclan.com

Okay, I got one for all of you guys:


There is a society forming right now, through this website, somewhere in these forums. The intent is for it to remain at least partially secret, it's positive and not ment for ill means and it's fairly interesting.

Blessed Be
~Astral

yea i dont believe everything. too many people on here seem to be hypocrites. and i wouldnt doubt a site like this would be for masonic research on paranoia levels of our blind society. peace.