Are the ILLUMINATI Agents of ALIENS ? Are Occult Mystery Religions Demonic Control Mechanisms ?

That Illuminati Covenant quote is sick.......

More sources adding to the Calcification of the Pineal gland......

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Originally posted by dainja
More sources adding to the Calcification of the Pineal gland......

Fluoride is a big one for that.

The Illuminati
Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer
Part 9 - Ritual Sacrifices - Demons- Shape Shifting

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

Q: Svali, earlier on you talked about sacrifices. You are talking about animal sacrifices, right? Give me a bit more details about that, please.

A: I hate to sensationalize things by going into gruesome particulars, but I will share a little.

First, please remember that the Illuminati have SIX branches of learning, and the spiritual (where the sacrifices are done) is only ONE part of what they do. I was in Sciences, and used to make fun of people who specialized in spiritual. Yes, everyone has to go to spiritual rituals during certain high days, but I tried to stay as far from it as I could. It's ugly, crude, and gross, but considered important.

1. The Celtic branch of spiritual believes that power is passed at the moment between life and death. They will do rituals with children, or even older adherents, where the person is tied down, and an animal is bled to death on top of them. The belief is that the person receives power from the departing spirit, which "enters" the person. It is also highly traumatizing and horrible to have an animal go through its death throes on top of you. Throw in a few threats that "this will happen to you if you ever tell," and a quite strong impression is made on small children.

2. Opening portals and dimensions: I know, this sounds like stuff from a sci-fi film, but these people really believe that there are other spiritual dimensions, and that to pass into them, first a major sacrifice is done to "open a portal", usually several animals. I have also seen animal sacrifices done to protect from the demonic, or blood used to "close a circle" so the demonic cannot penetrate it.

The Illuminists very much believe in the spiritual realm, and have codified practiced over hundreds of years from ancient occultic rituals. They believe they can control these powers (I believe they are deluded).

Sacrifices are also done on high holy days. I have seen an animal "psychically killed" in front of me, and have no way to explain what I saw. I have also seen human sacrifice, but these were very rare (I believe I have seen two or three real ones in my life, the rest were set-ups).

They really don't want to kill off their children, they want a new generation to grow up and continue the practices. I have also heard of them buying children from other countries, and using them, or the homeless, but never witnessed it myself.

More often, I saw animals used in sacrifices and rituals. Other loss of life, rare but horrible, I saw as a head trainer because of my job. Rarely, a trainer would push a person too far, and didn't check for signs of stress. Especially with some of the newer medications used to create trance states, their meds covered the more obvious signs of trauma and stress (elevated heart rate, rapid breathing, tremors, pupil size changing), or blunted them.

Inexperienced trainers would miss more subtle signs, and basically screw a person up. It is horrible to work with a person, and they NEVER COME BACK. They become a vegetable, or worse, they scream and scream for hours without end.

We occasionally had to "put down" these training failures, by using a lethal injection of air, or insulin. The person was then set up in a "fatal crash" or "fire" to dispose of the body. May God forgive me for the few times this happened and I was forced to act. I so regret it now. A person cannot be kind or sympathetic. And, the trainer always knows that it could be them next on the table, screaming, so they do their jobs well.

Any failures are heavily punished, to say the least. One of my jobs was teaching younger trainers the masking effects of hypnotic drug combinations, and how to recognize subtle clues of distress. Sigh.

Do the failures count as "sacrifices" to a horrible evil that is perpetrated on others? I think so, even though there was no ritual about it at all, it was all done in a training room with lab coats and needles.

Q: Svali, I have to ask you this: There are stories floating around on the internet about the Illuminati (and other agencies) being run by extra-terrestrials, ET's, in particular a reptilian race, operating from a higher dimension. Any thoughts on that?

A: My answer will probably cause a lot of anger, and it's not meant to step on any toes. Here it goes.

I have never seen an alien or extra-terrestrial. I have seen some programming to make people THINK they saw aliens, as a cover story for programming, if they remembered. None of the head trainers I knew, or others on leadership council, believed in aliens, although I never asked them.

I personally believe that the reptilian stuff is actually the demonic at work. I have seen shape-shifting and other stuff because of demonic influence (okay, so here some will say, gee, she believes in demons, that's as far out as aliens).

Well, this is what the Illuminati certainly believe in. They KNOW there are spiritual realities, and think they can control them. Those of a more cynical bent would say the shape shifting was a drug induced hallucination and group hysteria in the context of a ritual setting. I will let each reader decide based on their personal comfort zone. But no, absolutely no reptiles or aliens seen in Washington, DC, or San Diego, Ca. as of 5 years ago, at least I never saw them.

Fantasy or Reality?
I don't know.
However thanks for this thread and these info.
S&F.

The ancient sources tend to agree that homo sapien sapiens was a creation of an off-world race of beings who they later came to revere as "gods".

The same texts all agree that the off world race came to be split into two opposing factions, the so called good guys versus the bad guys. Both factions sought control of the creation; it seems we have been under the influence of the so called "bad" guys rather than the "good guys" but I question there even being any "good " guys in the equation - who gave them the right to come here and mess with the evolutionary process to begin with ? It would be no different to some scientific mission in 200 years time where a team of earth's scientist decide to start experimenting with their new genetic knowledge on some other planet then end up disagreeing about how to control the experiment.

What the ancient texts also often agree on is this concept of the "gods" returning. Some anticpicate a final showdown with the creation (us) caught in the middle. The bible and Koran already has the winning team picked out but it cannot be a given that the result will be as "prophecied".

It seems that the so called "good guys" took off after the war mentioned in the sumerian tablets (and I'm not a Sitchin fan by the way, the tablets speak for themselves). Wars amongst the gods were also described in the ancient Indian epics and other sources. Could be that Earth was left in the hands of the faction that were most dominant at the time and the fleeing faction planned for a return further on in the future in a final attempt to regain the upper hand.


I don't think it was just the mystery religions being used as a control mechanism - "orthodox" religions are also a control mechanism, just for the other faction of the off-world creator race. The orthodox religions prepare their followers for the arrival of counterfeit "gods" prior to them sweeping down to earth in their masses to kill them off along with all their followers and giving the survivors a last chance to swear allegiance to them of be bumped off .

If I had to chose, I wouldn't be on EITHER side.

David Icke "The Lizards and the Jews" 2 of 5



David Icke - Satanic Ritual



V - the Final Battle (80's version)



Messages from Matthew
June 24, 2009
www.matthewbooks.com...

... 12. There is the misconception that all Illuminati are reptilians, and that is not so. Just as humans can be “good” or “bad,” most simply speaking, so can reptilians, and within the Illuminati are “bad” of both species. Also, just as there are many different human civilizations in the universe, there are many different reptilian civilizations, and those in one world don’t necessarily know about by their counterparts in other worlds. The primary difference between the human and reptilian species is DNA-related—speaking only generally, reptilians’ intelligence and physical strength are superior to most humans and their emotional spectrum and spiritual clarity are less developed.

13. Mother, please copy Horiss’ conversation with you that is in one of the books. I believe readers will enjoy learning about one of the civilizations that has been assisting Earth directly from one of its representatives.
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14. (“A Reptilian Commander Speaks: Horiss” in Voices of the Universe)

October 19, 2003

S: Matthew, hello dear! Am I right or am I imagining that a reptilian commander (in the light!) will be giving a message for the book? That was my waking thought.

MATTHEW: You are right, Mother, and I am pleased to introduce Horiss, one of the commanders I met several years ago at a conference in Nirvana. He has been given permission by the Council to give a message for the book. That double “s” in his name indicates the best English sound, which does have a long soft “s” sound at the end, but please don’t associate this with the hiss of a snake! In the language of his people, the various sounds of the names have a quality that is pleasing to hear. Now, please welcome Horiss.

S: Greetings, Horiss.

HORISS: My very warm greetings to you, Madam. I have been told that I may address you informally, but if you will, please grant me the favor to address you more formally as I will be more comfortable speaking that way.

S: I want you to be completely comfortable, and Madam is fine.

HORISS: Thank you. It is known by some of your people that certain of my civilization are fearsome creatures that have been causing all manner of evil upon your world for endless time. We are not proud of that truth, and I have been requested to speak on behalf of our greater numbers who equally oppose the influence of those dark members. We, too, think of them as dark because of their actions, and we are in combat with them to rid their influence on your planet and all the rest of this part of the universe...

Read more at link above.

There are some interesting lizard men reports from this thread.



Rio Claro, Brazil - 1965

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Bogota, Colombia - early 1980:

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Big Springs, Texas - June 2005:

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William’s Lake, Michigan - May 15th 1976:

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Komsomolskoye, Crimea, Ukraine - July 17th 2005:

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Laguna Don Tomas, near Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina - March 2 2005

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Devil’s Swamp, East Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana - August 2006

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Cheers.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Originally posted by someotherguy
David Icke "The Lizards and the Jews" 2 of 5

Hi Someotherguy,


At the risk of discrediting just about everything I may have said to date, which I guess doesn't really matter because I doubt many take my ideas seriously although they may be closer to the truth than we might feel comfortable with, I used to fully agree with Alex Jones in the above video, where at minute 2:00 he talks about David Icke as someone who was using his weird Reptilian Shapeshifters to discredit the entire truth movement by pooping in the punch bowl.


However, random circumstances made it disturbingly otherwise. It was an uninvited and very unwanted experience which forced me to reassess. While was happening, I really tried to convince myself it wasn't what it seemed to be. But the visual and sensory experience proved otherwise, unmistakably. Several minutes as a direct eyewitness at close range to something I definitely didn't want to see and even less integrate into my outlook, dealt my entire take on reality a severe blow. In the future I will post a descriptive account of that event with as many relevant details as possible, not to try to convince anyone - - as I used to think that those doing likewise were either delusional, frustrated aspiring Sci-Fi writers or disinfo shills - - but to explain why my analyses may at times include such elements which won't be there due to any intellectual fascination but for the pragmatic purpose of dealing with evidence which I can no longer exclude.

reply to post by Getsmart


I have to agree with you, Getsmart, having read the Illuminati Documents a few years ago, coupled with lots of research on the subject matter, what other conclusion can one come to? Many have tried, even given up their privacy to bring us, the people of the world this story, and most if not all have been laughed at a ridiculed. What I sometimes wonder is this; How much longer does this in our faces agenda go on, before we do something? What to do, you ask? EXPOSE THEM. These people cannot have their security sewed up that tights...there has to be lessor players that will talk, in fact, I know these whistle-blower people exist, I have heard more than a few speak of this. Some have even written books!

Since the beginning of recorded time, government bodies of every kind have been involved with maintaining the status quo, to defend the establishment against minority groups that sought to function as states within states or to oust the constituted authority and take over in its place. Even today this is true.

Many of these attempts have succeeded....but have not always lasted. Man's desire to be one of the elect is something that No Power on Earth has been able to stop, let alone destroy. It is one of the main "secrets" of secret societies! It is what gives them a political base and lots of clout. Members often vote the same and give each other preference in daily business, legal, and social activities, no matter what their position is. It is the deepest desire of many to be able to say, "I belong to the elect, to the few."

The initiated elect of these societies communicate directly to Gods, (ALIENS?) who communicate back to them. The masses sacrifice their Lambs on an altar facing a stone idol that can neither hear or speak. The elect are given knowledge of the Mysteries and are illumined and are thus known as The Illluminati or the Illuminated Ones, the guardians of the "Secrets of the Ages."

Rise of the Fourth Reich

The Biggest Secret

Lies, Lies, and More Lies

Dark Mission

Montauk - Alien Connection


The Truth shall set you Free.

reply to post by someotherguy


Wow at leas tpeople are waking up to this garbage. Still if it is true then just for once us non-blonde non aryan types will be the last to be taken. Which makes a change.

The entire Illuminati hoax is scary because so many believe it.

reply to post by Getsmart

As you know, I believe in these entities, & I agree w/ Autowrench that they need to be exposed.

I am on the fence about Alex Jones. I know William Cooper thought he was a disinfo agent.

A Second Interview with Khat Hansen
www.mysterious-america.net...

... The Snake people are evil. They arrived here before the Great spirit created man. They claimed this planet as their own and caused great strife with Great Spirit. No matter what he did for them they were never happy. First the earth was too hot then it was too cold. There was not the type of food that they liked and all was bad. When Great spirit created man the Snake people decided that they were not as smart as they and would be used as slaves and food. The Snake people live underground too as it was easier for them to control the heat and the sun could not hurt their eyes. They dug many caverns and many cities connecting to each other around the world. They hardly ever came above ground except to steal men and women for slaves and food. The Ant people did not think it fair that they used us for such and told us to gather our weapons and to make war on the Snake people. With their help we made a truce with the Snake people and they stopped coming up from the earth to steal us men. But, the Snake people are evil and do not honor their treaty with us, and come up from the earth to steal men and women and children still. They deny that they do this and try to add witchery to their words to make us believe they do honor their treaty, but we know. When our children and men are missing we live in fear, and know that the Snake people have taken them. Snake people can look like you or I, or any animal, but for only a short time when they are using witchery to fool us.

They are more reptile than human even though they walk on two legs. We must be very careful when we are in the woods or alone where there are caves as they often lead to their world, and once in them you will become lost and captured. The Creature called Bigfoot is one such as they. That is why we must be careful when coming into contact with it as it is really an ancient reptile that can witch people and make them do as it wills. That is why so many hikers and campers disappear in their areas and why we warn our children to not be in the woods alone.

Editor: The shape-shifting Snake people sound like really bad medicine and best to be avoided if at all possible.

Khat Hansen: The Snake people are truly evil. There are a few people who claim that they have met ones that are nice and can be trusted, but we know better. They use witchery to calm you and fool you into believing their words, when in fact all that they wish to do is to entrap you and any other people you may have access to. They are liars and deceivers and strive only to cause grief and promote unease and unrest in the above world. Their appetite for humans is something they can never hide. They only want to trick humankind so that they have an ongoing food source for their people. We tried as people to befriend them, but all that they wanted from us was our bodies for food and slaves. They have not changed over the time. They are still evil now like they were then...

Khat Hansen: I do not believe in UFO's. They are the light ships of the Ant and Snake people. They have been here for many thousands of years and were able to bring the knowledge of how to make the ships of light with them from their homes. When we see them we know that knowledge will be delivered, or, in the case of the Snake people, bad events are about to occurÉlike kidnappings and killings. The Snake people use their ships to kidnap men and to deceive the world of their intentions. But, as a medicine woman I know their intent and try to warn others away from interacting with them. I laugh when others tell me that the ships come from outer space. They do not. There are many worlds existing beside our own and the Ant people and Snake people come and go through these doorways. This is why you see their ships vanish and emerge so fast. It is the door opening and slamming shut that amazes people. Only certain medicine people have the ability to open these doorways to other worlds, which is why the Snake people are always trying to kidnap humans so that we will not have access to their realms. But, there are many of us who DO know and keep this knowledge safe for when we as men go to war with the Snake people.

How Repts manipulated human DNA for control



Arizona Wilder on Reptilian Rulers

Shouldn't this thread be in the conspiracy theory section?

reply to post by havok


Don't fool yourself Mister. I've come to believe there are orders above the tangible Illuminati, that are preliminary to to world depopulation decision. They ain't human.

Decoy

Originally posted by alexander_delta
Shouldn't this thread be in the conspiracy theory section?

From the top of the page:

This forum is dedicated to the discussion of historic and contemporary events related to extraterrestrial encounters, UFO sightings, and speculation about related subjects...

Since we're dealing with extra-terrestrial or inter-dimensional beings, then this would seem to be an appropriate place to post this topic.

Originally posted by Tiger5
Wow at leas tpeople are waking up to this garbage. Still if it is true then just for once us non-blonde non aryan types will be the last to be taken. Which makes a change.

The child I was ordered to sacrifice was Caucasian with dark brown hair. He was younger than me, and I was five. He couldn't speak but looked at me imploringly. I lost it, and although was screamed at that I would be used instead, I wailed and refused frantically. Someone had to step in for me so that I wouldn't be part of the ceremony in the "other role". This is one of the reasons I'm not part of that "sect" and had many close calls both during childhood and later.


The element of which I was not aware, revealed to us here by Someotherguy quoting Svali, that they prefer to sacrifice Ayran blonde children makes sense. This is probably why there was a Nazi will to turn in turn exterminate all other races to keep alive and thriving only the Aryan blondes: that way the Supermen* whom Hitler claimed to have encountered in Underground cities would have a good crop of their favorite food on the surface. With a bit of brainwashing with "Arbeit Macht Frei" they might also become hard working slaves until they get on the menu.


* Note: I warned you above that my very unsettling experience has made me integrate into my research something which NEVER would have been a part of it otherwise, that there is probably a very real Non Human component of our current plight in the hands of Illuminati controllers, and far from being benign extra-terrestrial Aliens they are more likely extremely nasty beings of which we would probably all prefer to not envisage the existence.

Originally posted by alexander_delta
Shouldn't this thread be in the conspiracy theory section?

Given all the very important and even urgent messages in this thread, all you can talk about is how the ATS filing system is used ?


Either you are very shallow, or you are resorting to a ploy to interrupt this thread and remove it from the sight if the very many Alien and UFO Researchers who have not made the connection between Aliens and our Political, Economic and Military Leaders.

Originally posted by someotherguy
As you know, I believe in these entities, & I agree w/ Autowrench that they need to be exposed.

I am on the fence about Alex Jones. I know William Cooper thought he was a disinfo agent.

[highlight]Arizona Wilder on Reptilian Rulers[/highlight]

Hi Someotherguy,


Thanks for contributing this very important information which gives further perspective on the issues.


I don't have an opinion regarding Alex Jones, realizing that he is at the heart of a controversy and even knowing that he might be claimed to be allegedly a joint clone with another known personality, meaning he could be a prime candidate for a mind controlled agent. The reason I mentioned his statement is not because I find him credible, it was actually because I have come full circle regarding the point he was making. He states vehemently that Icke's pretty much right about everything, but adds the Reptiles into the mix to cause havoc.


I used to agree with this entirely, considering that Icke was probably and Illuminati disinformation agent, discrediting rational research into The Illuminati. However, being physically confronted with one such being made me drastically review this analysis. Either I can't trust anything I see or experience, or it must be taken into account. Now I think that Icke is smack on, although I don't know if he has accurately discovered where and whence they came from. The one I saw seemed more at home on this Earth than people do, dominantly strolling like a King in his realm... not the sort of body language you'd expect from an outsider visiting our planet. I received a mental image that he'd come from down below, deep underground, and was heading back South after a nocturnal outing which included savage bloodletting. The entire experience was very much out of the normal, it will become better understood once written up methodically.


I had never heard Arizona Wilder's testimony and it was very useful in considering our thread topic. Especially I noted the following which she states in a later segment here at minute 2:00.


The Illuminati are All Puppets



"What people need to understand is that The Illuminati's strings are pulled also. They are not in the end in control here. They are also subject to string pulling, and they are also subject to being lied to by their puppet masters who are in another dimension. They are in another dimensional level, they lie to them too. So, I am not in judgment. My message is "Things need to change". Whether they want to change them is another matter, but WE need to do something."


Furthermore, what she goes on to say immediately after this statement is exact, something I have the misfortune to confirm here. The entire Illuminati system is grossly inhumane, for all human beings but also for their own offspring. A living hell is their upbringing, in which only rare glimpses of humanity ever penetrate from the outside. The entire Puppet Show must be brought down!


At minute 8:00 of part 7 of her testimonial, after speaking of NATO's lucrative business manufacturing and selling psychic assassins, Arizona Wilder tells us that there is a ruling body above The Illuminati, a Secret Government referred to as the OCTOGON.


THE OCTOGON



"I want people to know that it isn't the Illuminati that is, well this group or that group that rules, the Illuminati themselves have a government body. They always refer to it as the EIGHT or the OCTOGON. Those that watch for them are called the EYES OF THE EIGHT. And, people generally don't know who they are. But it's a fear inducing thing again, fear of the unknown. I will be writing about that, in detail. But I want people to know that there is a ruling body, that doesn't stop at the Illuminati, they themselves are governed by this group. They rule the four points of the Earth and the points in between; according to them."


Is the OCTOGON a government of the People, by the People, for the People as Pericles once proclaimed in ancient Athens, or is it a Government of the Reptilians, by the Reptilians, for the Reptilians ?


The Illuminati Get Killed Off Too



At minute 8:25 in part 8, she describes in no uncertain terms THE ILLUMINATI AGENDA.


"The Illuminati, the very ones at the very top, the top echelon, the most pure, their plan is to get rid of most of the population of the planet, and only have their slaves. And they'll do their genetic experimentation and manipulation and make everything over again: they get a new planet. They want a Feudal System. They love the Feudal Age. They love that whole system, and that's what they want. Among themselves... Who you see in power, who looks like they're in power, in public, they're not the ones, they're being used. You know, it's a pyramid. They're a pyramid too. They're going to be tossed aside also, and they don't believe it. They better believe it. They're being used."


This rejoins something I've heard from a ranking Illuminati who, after I implied that there would be a short circuit in the hierarchical chain of command, told me that the rebellion would come from within the higher ranks. Some of them are NOT dupes, and know they're almost as low on the foodchain as the rest of us and they will not outlive us for long. The Real New World Order will no longer need their Bloodline hirelings: the FINAL SOLUTION includes their ELIMINATION.


There has been an INHUMAN Invasion and long term Occupation of our Planet, and all PEOPLE must strive to free us Humanity from their ghastly ferocious rule and our planned impending ANNIHILATION.


The ILLUMINATI will in turn be TERMINATED by the OCTOGON.


[edit on 13-3-2010 by Getsmart]

GS,

Thanks for sharing that incredible & horrifying experience. You must be a very strong light-being to be able to say "no" in that position.

Originally posted by Getsmart

The reason I mentioned [Alex Jones] statement is not because I find him credible, it was actually because I have come full circle regarding the point he was making. He states vehemently that Icke's pretty much right about everything, but adds the Reptiles into the mix to cause havoc.

Oh, I see. Well, I have come to believe Icke is very close to the truth. I don't believe he's a disinfo agent. If he had been, they wouldn't have tried to discredit him the way they did. I've come to a lot of the same info independently, even before I read much about Icke's theories. The most recent similarity is what I got concerning the moon - that it's controlled by repts. This theory is supposedly in Icke's latest book, in which he's talking about the "Moon Matrix." I haven't read the book yet, but from what i've heard others say, it seems to support what I've gotten. So, I think Icke is smack on, too. I also think he's very brave for telling people like it is, no matter how resistant they are to the truth.

Reptilian Bloodlines
hardtruth.navhost.com...

The Illuminati (In this time period, they refer to themselves as The Moriah, The Brotherhood, or from shows like the X-Files - "Shadow Government"), invisible to the general public, yet controlling every aspect of the direction of this world, are Genetic Hybrids - the result of inter-breeding between a hostile reptilian extraterrestrial race and humanity thousands of years ago.

Their center of power is not located in the third dimension. It is in the lower fourth dimension (or lower astral plane). It has traditionally been the home of the demons of folklore. This center of power is also more commonly referred to as "Lucifer".

Ancient Mormon manuscripts define that while Lucifer and Jesus
have been portrayed throughout the bloody history of this world
as being "adversaries", they are in actuality *Brothers* from the
SAME family, who have been battling for ultimate control of this
planet, long before recorded "biblical" historical accounts began.
Their longstanding struggle for domination will ultimately result in the familiar Armageddon (the place where the final battle will be fought between the forces of good and evil) battle, or Apocalypse (which translated means "the lifting of the veil - a cataclysm in which the forces of good permanently triumph over the forces of evil.") on or close to 2012.

There is much more support to back the assertion that Jesus and Satan are brothers, both sons of the Most High God, and both sat next to his throne in Heaven, on the right and left sides respectively, prior to Satan's rebellion and the 'War in Heaven'.

The Book of Enoch as well as other ancient texts dating back to the Atlantean culture attest to this fact. It makes sense that Satan should be a direct son of God, since he is described as God's "Most Beloved Angel", and "The Brightest Star in Heaven." The Book of Enoch refers to the Watchers, or Nephilim, as "stars," with various "watchtowers" in the houses of the Zodiac, since the ancients saw the sky above as a giant "Sea," the waters of which were kept at bay by the "Firmament of Heaven" - that is, until the Flood.

Grasping this long concealed fact is consoling in a strange way, as it serves to logically explain the current condition of this world - the pain and suffering that one evil being perpetrates - while the other equally as evil being idly stands by and allows all of the pain, suffering, and devastation to occur ad infinitum.

These fourth-dimensional reptilian parasites work through specific hybrid bloodlines, because they have a vibrational compatibility with those specific souls, which they have established and have been cultivating (actually 'harvesting') for thousands of years. That is why the European Royal and Aristocratic families have inter-bred so obsessively, as have the so-called "Eastern Establishment" families of the U.S., which produce the future leaders of America.

As well as an obsession with inter-breeding to preserve their genetic structure, the illuminati are also obsessed with symbolism and ritual. Conventional science has documented that the reptilian part of the human brain (the R-complex) is the source of the following traits: obsession with ritual, cold-blooded behavior, territorialism ("this belongs to me") a belief in top-down hierarchical structures. This sums up the illuminati mentality perfectly. If you have more of the R-complex, or if it is activated more than normal, you will manifest these traits far more profoundly...

Read more at link

Leo Zagami supports what Arizona Wilder said about inter-dimensional beings in his interview w/ Project Camelot. Not sure where in the interview that was, but it's a good interview about the Illuminati, so IMO it's worth watching the whole thing.

Leo Zagami had two power-house interviews by PC before surrendering himself back into the fold. I must say he seemed not just brutal but capable.
Would you want this monster as your neighbor? Scary Guy. But expelled a bunch of stuff re so-called FREE Masons, above the 32nd.

Decoy

Hi Someotherguy,


Thanks for posting that video, I had heard Zagami interviewed a long time ago but he didn't seem to say anything nearly as interesting or valid as in this Project Camelot session.


Given Leo's very rapid flow of words and difficult to decipher accent, I have transcribed the initial condensed elements from the introductory preamble of the video. This will help dissociate what he is saying from the very foreign quasi-mobster elocution which makes it otherwise hard to consider in a neutral pondered manner.





Leo Zagami interviewed by Project Camelot
Edited exerpts from the introductory first 5 minutes:


"The weapons business is the big business, to make the cash. I was a Rich man when I was in that kind of business. Now I'm a Poor man. What's the difference? Now I'm an honest man, before I was a crook!"


"There is something, that people are waiting for. Everybody is waiting for 2012. Why are they waiting for 2012 ? Why ? Because they are hoping that this will lead to, somehow, to a cosmic consciousness, and them (feeling?) of certain energy. And that's true!"


"Why ? Because you are a corrupt nation, subservient to the Vatican, subservient to the Zionists, subservient to a New World Order that, in my opinion, is completely corrupt."


"These elections we support the Democrats. So, Republicans are not on the list of support by The Illuminati. They can't make it! McCain can climb walls, can do whatever he wants, he's not going to be American (President)."


"And you go and study the history of the Vatican, you will find that from Paganotti to many other Popes in the Vatican, they have been practicing magicians."


"(Packs) of Freemasons, Grand Masters from many traditions, sometimes officially not recognizing each other, but still meeting there. Why ? Because the Club of Montecarlo is a weapon dealers' place. Because it is all about weapons.


"A conspiracy, if we want, to create Adolf Hitler and make sure that this Being did what he did so they could then claim the Israel state; everything in plan, so, for the End of Times, the Jews have their land."


"If you knew in reality what these entities were, you would not even touch them, you would just drive the other way."


"A Jesuit contacted an Italian journalist in the UFO scene, and spread a certain amount of disinformation... including the fact that the "See" was still the greater Intelligence within the Vatican. With what ? With a hundred people, a couple of Benedictin monks, a couple of nuns and a... The Vatican includes millions of members worldwide. They all function as Intelligence from the beginning of time."


"To know more about the entities: now, who is spreading this disinfor... ? How the thing...? Zacharia Sitchin met with Corado Balducci. Who is Corado Balducci ? Corado Balducci is not only the "Official Spokesman for the UFO in the Vatican". You understand, this is just a front. Who is he ? He's a Demonologist!"


"Each time they accuse the American Indians "Oh, these are Pagans, what are they doing to us ? We have through Science to observe the stars." Oh, rubbish!"


"If it is to create a Fraternal Bond of Death, like the Order of Death in the Skull and Bones, then, a human sacrifice is required."


"What is Magick ? Magick is the calculation of the Arts, with peculiar calculations around the Symbols, to EVOKE certain Entities and have from them, if you want, certain gratifications."


"In the Vatican Library you have a lot of ancient artifacts, ancient books, very rare texts that could revolutionize the fate of mankind. But, as I said, because we will have to go to the next stage of existance, one way or another, the Vatican wants to adapt. So how do they adapt ? They adapt with Corado Balducci and the whole Alien Revolution! The Omega Secret and the Capital of UFOs, and everyone is happy!"


"Because there's a tendency in humankind to have the worship for these entities which can give you terrestrial power. We were talking about Annunaki, we were talking about Nephilim, but there is these entities come from other dimensions, other places in this Universe, they can cross over into this dimension if we Evoke them, if we Call them..."


"Bohemian Grove is a different kind of initiation. There they like to dress up in even more fancy clothes, usually Republicans, a lot of whores, a LOT of whores, a lot of prostitution goes on during the nights of Bohemian Grove... a REAL sacrifice."


"Most of the people in the Mind Control sectors of Intelligence units, the people who are taking control of the Psy-Ops operations, they are Occultists! Because Occultism and Black Magick is the most ancient form of military tool known to mankind."


"In the end, there will be a War and there will be dead people on the ground, because the moment they want to MicroChip me, I'm going to take out a gun and shoot at them."


You may wish to look into the "Omega Secret" which Leo Zagami denounces as being a Vatican deception manuver to make you believe that it's all about ALIENS when actually the entire issue here is an Invasion by DEMONS.


"The Omega Secret" by Cristoforo Barbato


Similarly, it seems that Dan Brown may have himself been a Disinfo Agent using The Da Vinci Code to obfuscate the Truth. Those using code, Da Vinci or otherwise, to put people on the wrong track, wouldn't fail to enjoy the simple Anagram with Dan Brown's name. Switch his initials and you get a BAN on truth and lies which DROWN out the truth. Ban: Dan and Drown: Brown.


As usually done to bury the truth, it is first revealed before being obscured, discredited and buried in lies. We can see in the movie made of Dan Brown's book, The Da Vinci Code, an early scene where the Pentagram is first denounced as being the symbol for Devil Worship and the Culprit is revealed as being the Draconian Devil. Only afterwards does the Cointelpro Disinformation kick in with False Revelations about the Genetic Heritage through Sacred Bloodlines direct from God, presented as the good guys is a psychotic Spy Thriller production. Here is the relevant scene showing the short instant of TRUTH in that film:


O... Draconian Devil


We will remark that the detective played by actor Jean Reno tells the truth, that the Pentagram refers to Satanism and that the true culprit is the Draconian Devil. Only later do others fabricate false stories to discredit the truth.


What we may also retain, is that Arizona Wilder, Leo Zagami and this revelation in the Da Vinci Code propaganda film all point to a dimensional Demonic Entities which can be assimilated to Reptilians from Draconis, which can probably be interpreted as another dimension traditionally called Hell.


This means that the Illuminati are indeed agents of ALIENS. That these Aliens are actually DEMONS. That their use of the Occult and Black Magick is to bring into our dimension such Draconian Demons to get them what they want. That in turn they are themselves possessed and controlled by these Aliens.


I reply to my own thread title, no longer with a question mark, but in the AFFIRMATIVE.

The Illuminati are Agents of ALIENS !

[edit on 14-3-2010 by Getsmart]

I couldn't agree with you more about the Illuminati being agents of aliens/demons.



Channeled information: ELITE were CONTROLLED by Reptilian God ANU - HoM47

THE REPTILIANS:
WHY THEY ARE OBSESSED WITH
BLOODLINE AND RITUAL
By David Icke

I witnessed a "channeling" session this week in England, performed by a channel/medium I was very impressed with. As readers of my books will know, I am extremely wary of channeled information because while on occasions it can come from a high and enlightened source, much of it is very low level or, frankly, a sham.

However, I felt that this channel was one of those who is truly gifted and a wealth of detailed information emerged that confirmed and added to my own research, which has been very much gathered in this dimension and not through channeled messages.

Anyway, here is some of the information that came through relating to the relationship between the reptilian bloodline and the Illuminati obsession with ritual. As always, the choice of what feels right is yours and yours alone:

In between "worlds"

The reptilian and other entities, which are manipulating our world by possessing "human" bodies, operate in frequencies between the Third and Fourth densities. These are referred to as "hidden spaces and planes unknown to man", in the apparently ancient Emerald Tablets, which I quote from in "Children of the Matrix". For simplicity, I refer to this "between world" in my books as the lower fourth dimension...

Read more at www.thewatcherfiles.com...

From notes on Anna Hayes' books:

Reptilians (avatar level, associated with Nibiru).....live in draconian
matrix which is a higher dimension of existance which we can not see. They
do shape shift via taking control of a person from the 4th level, push
aside the personality. Once they have done this they can begin to
shapeshift. Note: just because a being exists in a higher
dimension/frequency than us.....does not mean they are good, they can be
negative.

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James Bartley
www.whale.to...

With the recent mass exposure of paedophilia around the world in the high places of religions, governments, courts, etc., and on the video testimony of Arizona Wilder, how can one doubt the reality of reptilian manipulation by hosting or other means to subdue and molest children, women and men? Montauk victims were also controlled by 'dreams' and the whole project was based on electronically controlling the astral field and the orgone energy, based on Wilhelm Reich's research. On the other hand, Alestair Crowley succeeded in this without the means of 'electronics.' The whole scenario of 'hosting' is the basis for what the religions call 'demon possession.' Are demons reptilian or not?

ASTRAL DREAMSCAPE MANIPULATION
VIOLENCE PROMOTED WITHIN THE DREAMSCAPE


Violent and sociopathic behaviors can also be promoted through astral dreamscape manipulation. Children, teenagers and adults can be shown images of blood and gore in the astral dreamscape and can even be compelled to participate in violent scenarios in which the abductee is made to either watch or take part in horrific acts of violence.

The reptilians can use the image of a child's parents whilst they perpetrate acts of physical and sexual abuse upon the child. (In case the reader is wondering, the descriptions of psychosexual abuse given by the children has been obtained by parents with a heightened sense of awareness about the abduction syndrome. The reptilians typically mete out their reprisals upon the children of abductees who are actively resisting them.) Later I will discuss in more detail how sexuality can be manipulated to the extent of altering the sexual orientation of certain humans...

Read more at link above.

From the description:

Known as the "Crypto Hunter," UFO researcher John Rhodes talked about the role of Men in Black (MIBs) in enforcing secrecy around UFO/alien matters, as well
as for corporate and military purposes. He recently participated in an episode of UFO Hunters titled The Silencers, that delved into this subject, and during
production, the team had their own encounters with MIBs, he said. Some of the Men in Black are defense agents who seek to limit public knowledge, and
enforce cooperation through intimidation, he said. Other MIBs are more exotic-- foreign nationals, possibly ETs, or from the Inner World, he continued...

He also spoke about Reptilian beings, and characterized the large humanoids as underground-dwelling 'Inner-Terrestrials' who are native to this planet, even
though to us they appear as alien. The new ABC series V deals with the relationship between humans and Reptilians, and serves as a cautionary note about
beings who say they are here to save us, he commented.