Dylan's "bargian" with Satan.

Came across this Dylan interview where he plainly states that he made a bargian with the devil to get where he is today. Is there truth behind all the speculation behind the music industry's ties to Satanism?

Does anyone else know of any videos where people in high places openly talk about making a deal with the devil?





"I made a bargain with 'it' a long time ago"








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Devil legend

According to a legend known to modern blues fans, Robert Johnson was a young black man living on a plantation in rural Mississippi. Branded with a burning desire to become a great blues musician, he was instructed to take his guitar to a crossroad near Dockery Plantation at midnight.

There he was met by a large black man (the Devil) who took the guitar and tuned it. After tuning the guitar, the Devil played a few songs and then returned it to Johnson, giving him mastery of the guitar. This was, in effect, a deal with the Devil mirroring the legend of Faust; in exchange Robert Johnson was able to create the blues for which he became famous.

Johnson seems to have claimed occasionally that he had sold his soul to the Devil, but it is not clear that he meant it seriously. However, these claims are strongly disputed in Tom Graves' biography of Johnson, Crossroads: The Life and Afterlife of Blues Legend Robert Johnson, published in 2008. Son House once told the story to Pete Welding as an explanation of Johnson's astonishingly rapid mastery of the guitar. Welding reported it as a serious belief in a widely read article in Down Beat in 1966.

However, other interviewers failed to elicit any confirmation from House. Moreover, there were fully two years between House's observation of Robert as first a novice and then a master.

en.wikipedia.org...

As for Dylan...he is an incredibly deep person and I wouldn't even bother to try and decipher what he means, people have been doing the same for many, many years.

I'm sure he meant it poetically and not literally.

reply to post by Blender


Sign a record contract and essentially you have sold your soul to the devil.

HST nailed it when he said......

The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.

reply to post by LiveForever8
I agree, Dylan's steeped in the mythology of folk and blues. His referencing the devil in this sense is just part of the metaphor and not to be taken literally. The old blues men from the Mississippi Delta often referred to the devil buying their souls, trades at crossroads and long black cars.

I listen to early blues from time to time and those references are there. These men and women used a lot of metaphors. Little red rooster? Sweep my yard? All potty-mouthed sex talk and mindless sleaze

God bless them and the guys that came after them...looting their music and making great records...Stones, Zep, Hendrix, Joplin and Ten Years After...all good stuff.

I listened to the 60 minutes interview with Dylan as you posted it and nowhere did I hear him say I made a deal with the Devil. He say's he made a deal with destiny and later when asked point blank who his deal was made with he refers to the "Commander in Chief" the head guy not of this earth. This could mean the Devil or it could mean God.

The embedded video sounds like a very bad edit job was done in order to cut out exactly what he did refer to Devil or God. The captions at the bottom may refer to him saying the Devil but again the edit is bad and that makes it suspect IMO.

reply to post by Blender


God and Satan are merely two sides to one face.

"Those who are not against us, are for us"...Jesus

If you were against God, he would be called SATAN to you, which means "Adversary". and thus you would be called SATAN to him.

God creates, God destroys...enjoy the ride.

Peace

reply to post by Blender


I have never understood his success. Perhaps there is something to it. Bwaaahahahaha!

If pressed, I think he would tell you he was referring to the music corporations as being a necessary evil that he had to deal with in order to get his art produced. I still don't understand his success but to each his own taste. And... a lot of talented artists are "deep" and don't succumb to the PTB.

It is for Posts like this one that I keep visitng ATS, amazing Find bro.
I am sceptic towards Demons, and Religious Myths of that Nature but there is something about the way he talks of it that I can't quite put my hands on.

Usually I am rather decent at being able to perdict a person's trustworthyness, and if you ask me this is one of the cases that I would refer to as actual Evidence.
This Man believes the story he tells, and referring to the sentence "...the chief commander of this earth, and the world we can't see..." I doubt he means any Institution


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reply to post by Kandinsky

I doubt that a man of his size would publically speak in methaphors without explaining what he is referring to.
The Media would take him apart for making missleading statements.

reply to post by Hemisphere


Blender you are so right... What is that voice???? Anyone else singing so badly would be jailed. A lot of those guys from the 60s actually knew music in theory and practice...

Plausible

Originally posted by Pakd-on-mystery
It is for Posts like this one that I keep visitng ATS, amazing Find bro.
I am sceptic towards Demons, and Religious Myths of that Nature but there is something about the way he talks of it that I can't quite put my hands on.

Usually I am rather decent at being able to perdict a person's trustworthyness, and if you ask me this is one of the cases that I would refer to as actual Evidence.
This Man believes the story he tells, and referring to the sentence "...the chief commander of this earth, and the world we can't see..." I doubt he means any Institution


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All he said was "it", as in destiny. Where is everyone getting Satan from?

Not to mentions he has flipped from being Jewish, which he still is, to being a christian, then back to Judasim.

You don't right "all along the watchtower" if your looking for satan. Satan isn't even a being...don't people get that?

Don't say SATAN anymore. If you were speaking Hebrew you would be saying ADVERSARY. That is all it means...enemy...general term for someone who wants to do you ill will. Anyone can play the "Saw-tan"....it's a role not a person or evil winged goat man who is red and takes contract on people souls for blood.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8762bb588d49.jpg[/atsimg]

OR it's Dave Grohl....Bring the thunder KG...

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DJMSN-


The reason people automatiacally assume that the deal was done with
"the devil" is simply that Jesus and his God are strictly against making "deals" with people. Especially not deals that gain the person fame, wealth, and power... which aren't exactly Christian principles.

Also, when Dylan talks about the deal, he acts like hes not too happy about it.

Anyways... Its not an edit job. It was pretty straight forward I thought. The 60 minutes guy asked the questions and Dylan answered them. Nothing seemed out of place.




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reply to post by Blender


Except not once in that video does he mention anything about Satan or the Devil...exactly the opposite when he refers to the point blank question asked of him he says the commander in chief, not of this earth never says anything about the Devil.

You said yourself that people are assuming...he is and has been a well known Christian and follower of Judiasm since the 60's so even if he had mentioned the Devil which he did not he most likely would be metaphorically speaking.

As for God or Jesus making deals I beg to differ as the biggest deal he has is accept me as your Savior and I will let you come live with me in Heaven....the ultimate deal so to speak, so who's to say Bob didn't make a deal with God and had it come out all good for him but again no where in that video does he ever mention the devil.

And the way Bob talks and sings it seems he had to make a deal someway with someone and thats probaly why it seems like an edit just Dylan speak.

reply to post by LiveForever8


It goes back further than that. There were people that swore Franz Liszt sold his sole to Satan after he wrote Mephisto's Waltz.

However, I still say that there is no need to make a deal with Satan or join any cult to become a musical star. Actually I'll just cut and past a response I made in another thread.

There is no vast conspiracy to push a demonic agenda. The NWO is not inserting messages in to songs. The vast conspiracy is to seperate you from your cash. If they can do it by selling sex over talent (Ms. Spears) they will. If they have to work together to keep prices at $18 they will. There are a lot of rich greedy b******s in the music business. Just like every other business...

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Originally posted by DJMSN
reply to post by Blender

 

Except not once in that video does he mention anything about Satan or the Devil...exactly the opposite when he refers to the point blank question asked of him he says the commander in chief, not of this earth never says anything about the Devil.

You said yourself that people are assuming...he is and has been a well known Christian and follower of Judiasm since the 60's so even if he had mentioned the Devil which he did not he most likely would be metaphorically speaking.

As for God or Jesus making deals I beg to differ as the biggest deal he has is accept me as your Savior and I will let you come live with me in Heaven....the ultimate deal so to speak, so who's to say Bob didn't make a deal with God and had it come out all good for him but again no where in that video does he ever mention the devil.

And the way Bob talks and sings it seems he had to make a deal someway with someone and thats probaly why it seems like an edit just Dylan speak.

DJMSN-

He specifically said he made a deal with "the commander in chief" of the "world we don't see" to "get where he is today".

The devil goes by many names. He doesn't need to say "I made a deal with Satan" to get his point across.

Jesus does offer a deal of sorts, follow him and save your spirit. Thats a lot different than making a deal promising worldwide renown, immense wealth & glamour.

Theres only one "commander in chief" that I know of that promises earthly power and pleasure in exchange for something...

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reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

Where are you getting satan from? I read my post three times, and i can not find the word "satan" in it.
I don't know what he is talking about, all I know is that he is telling the truth

Originally posted by Pakd-on-mystery
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

Where are you getting satan from? I read my post three times, and i can not find the word "satan" in it.
I don't know what he is talking about, all I know is that he is telling the truth

Again, people assume hes talking about Satan, because Satan is the only "commander in chief" of a "world we don't see" that is known for making "bargians" promising wealth, fame, and power.

That is pure speculation, nothing more. Just your own way of interpreting what Dylan said. You associate his words with Satan. Others may think he meant God.
And maybe Dylan was just leading people on. Who knows? It sure got him some publicity here!
I also don' t believe we make bargains with Satan. Last time I checked, it were pacts we make. But then again, english is not my native language, so I could be mistaken there.

[edit on 8-3-2010 by DarknessFollows]

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

Blender you are so right... What is that voice???? Anyone else singing so badly would be jailed. A lot of those guys from the 60s actually knew music in theory and practice...

Plausible

A fair few of my friends hate his voice, but love his music. Many of his songs have been covered.
Personally, I like his voice just fine, or at least until it sort of wore out.