Escamilla’s Fans Just Got Conned! Deny Ignorance!

reply to post by OrionHunterX


Then Mr. OrionHunterX if Jose Escamilla is a hoaxer and the Moon Rising
film is a hoax THEN it inevitably means tha LunaCognita IS ALSO a hoaxer
because he was a colaborator, do you agree or not. Tell me OrionHunterX
is LunaCognita also a hoaxer or not, I would like to hear you.

Also to you Mr. Arbitrageur the same question now that you are making
some denounces, is LunaCognita also a hoxer or not.

Now we will hear what these two gentlemen have to say about the famous
LunaCognita and his colaborations in the Moon Rising film by Escamilla.

reply to post by free_spirit

I've looked at the moon rising site here:
moonrising-themovie.com...
And I see Jose Escamilla's name, and I also hear his name mentioned in the movie "Moon Rising" as the person who identified the craters as "flying saucers".

I have no knowledge of what role Luna Cognita may or may not have had in the making of that movie. So far I can't personally say I've seen Luna Cognita call a crater a "flying saucer" like Escamilla has, but if you want to point out where he or anyone else does that, then I'll gladly agree with you that it's a crater and not a flying saucer.

reply to post by free_spirit


G'day free spirit

On the one hand, your close association with Mussain, etc... could at times cause you to be a little biased towards them.

On the other hand, it is nice to have one of their close associates participating on ATS & offering a point of view that is somewhat divergent from their many critics.

The above, combined with your many years of experience & very significant knowledge in the area of UFO's, means your presence in our threads always makes things that little bit more interesting

I am going to offer you something…..

Here is a happy picture of Clint Eastwood…..I looked long & hard for this one & I reckon he looks great!

I am offering this because sometimes you sound a bit cranky in your posts & I’m worried your “Cranky Clint” picture might be influencing this.

So….here’s Clint with a big smile!

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3065e7744d54.jpg[/atsimg]

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

Originally posted by kinda kurious
I hope this will better illustrate my point. Please provide a visual representation and spare me the PS techniques, I understand the program.

Sure. See links below.

Using the bottom image below, I created 2 Red Circles with precise visual match.

I'm sorry, but why on earth (or moon) would you introduce fat red lines into the process? By doing that we can't see how you made the measurement, and you obscure the overlap.

I duplicated that layer and scaled it down over the top image. Waalaa. The craters DO NOT align.

I'm sorry, all I see is that arbitrary and unverified thick red circle.

Here's how to do it with no extra red line measurements. I'll give EVERY single step in Photoshop so it can be duplicated by anyone who wishes to try it for themselves. If you have a different editor, some of the steps may have to be varied, of course.

First, go to the first page of this thread.
1. Right click on Escamilla's 'Moon Rising' image and select Copy Image.
2. Open Photoshop, and then select File, New, OK.
3. Select Edit, Paste. Escamilla's image should appear.
4. Return to the front page of this thread, right click the second image and select Copy Image.
5. Go back to PS, and select Edit, Paste. The second image should now appear over the top of the first, in 'Layer 2'.
6. To give yourself some working space, select Image, Canvas Size. Enter 700 for width and 500 for height, and click OK.
7. In the LAYERS dialogue box (if you can't see it, press F7), click on the Opacity slider (for Layer 2), and set it to about 50%.
8. Click on the MOVE tool in the Toolbox dialogue, and then drag the topmost image (Layer 2) until the lower left crater edge is roughly aligned in both images.
9. Select Edit, Transform, Scale.
10. Drag the upper right corner marker diagonally towards the opposite corner (down and left) to scale the topmost image until the craters roughly match in distance apart.
(Scaling the image means the lower crater will shift and shrink, so you have to guess a little, and adjust the images again.. so...)
11. Click on the MOVE tool again - answer APPLY to the question asked.
12. Drag the topmost image again to align the crater edge, and then repeat the scaling (go back to 9). Usually two iterations will be close, but keep going until you get a close to perfect match.

Here's mine - the two images overlaid:
outdoors.webshots.com...

Here's the measurements on the Escamilla part alone:
outdoors.webshots.com...

Here's the measurements on the 'control' image:
outdoors.webshots.com...

You'll see how honest I am - there is a tiny 1-pixel mismatch - I could have slightly shifted the dimensioning line and no-one would have even spotted it, but that's what I measured, so that's what you see. But these images are nowhere near pixel perfect, so a one pixel error is within the range expected for a perfect match.

No red circles to obscure the truth, and anyone can repeat the steps above.

If anyone doesn't get it, or questions what I have done, feel free to ask.

Hope this helps.

Originally posted by free_spirit
reply to post by OrionHunterX

 

Then Mr. OrionHunterX if Jose Escamilla is a hoaxer and the Moon Rising
film is a hoax THEN it inevitably means tha LunaCognita IS ALSO a hoaxer
because he was a colaborator, do you agree or not. Tell me OrionHunterX
is LunaCognita also a hoaxer or not, I would like to hear you.

Also to you Mr. Arbitrageur the same question now that you are making
some denounces, is LunaCognita also a hoxer or not.

Now we will hear what these two gentlemen have to say about the famous
LunaCognita and his colaborations in the Moon Rising film by Escamilla.

I presume you mean 'famous' in the website circles you browse in?

I don't know him/her either. But in keeping with the 'deny ignorance' theme of this thread, perhaps you could post the best examples of their work, and then I and others can judge on a case by case basis.. To me, I use the three strike rule. If they post three or more pieces of BUNK, then yes, they are in the same category. (Escamilla and Maussan are so far over that threshold, it's no longer even a joke.)

But I'm a very forgiving type. If they manage to find something NEW and genuinely interesting, I'll still consider it, even if they are a known hoaxer.

So... what have you got?

reply to post by CHRLZ

Thanks for sharing your analysis, great job.

I would just like to point out one further thing that confirms this is the correct comparison which I haven't seen mentioned. There are other, smaller craters which can be matched up also. For example, the crater at the top right, (Escamilla's "flying saucer") has a small crater outside it not far away at about the 2:30 position. That's just one example, and there are many smaller craters that line up too when the images are properly resized.

So if there were any doubt that the UFO is in fact the crater, the alignment of the smaller craters eliminates any doubt, you can see them in both images and they line up also when the images are properly sized as you have done.

Star for your excellent post and analysis!

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
...
Star for your excellent post and analysis!

Why thank you, greatly appreciated! May I return the compliment - I greatly enjoy reading your posts.

In regard to the littlun's, I did notice that when I got the scaling right, everything just snapped into place. I still get a childish buzz when I similarly analyse a starfield image (be it one I've taken or some space agency image being promoted by a conspiracy-promoter). I use Stellarium images overlaid on them - with a little scaling and rotating, every single star suddenly snaps into a perfect match - gotcha!!

Technology is cool!

Originally posted by CHRLZ

Originally posted by free_spirit
reply to post by OrionHunterX

 

But in keeping with the 'deny ignorance' theme of this thread, perhaps you could post the best examples of their work, and then I and others can judge on a case by case basis..
So... what have you got?

CHRLZ, it's no use! These guys have already been challenged before in this very thread to produce the best that they've got! But it's zilch so far! Nada! Nothing specially from friend Martyn Stubbs who seems to possess the biggest vocal chords this side of the Suez! All rant and NO substance!

In a nutshell, these guys have nothing to show but their ignorance and blind faith in poppycock!!

By the way, great job with those craters!

Originally posted by free_spirit
reply to post by OrionHunterX

 

Then Mr. OrionHunterX if Jose Escamilla is a hoaxer and the Moon Rising
film is a hoax THEN it inevitably means tha LunaCognita IS ALSO a hoaxer
because he was a colaborator, do you agree or not. Tell me OrionHunterX
is LunaCognita also a hoaxer or not, I would like to hear you.

LunaCognita who? Do I need to know him? Is he supposed to be famous? Is he the future prez of the US of A or a self styled Einstein? If he's some guy who's mixed up with Escamilla, then yes, he's in the same boat as Escamilla is in. And that boat is rocking so hard, it's about to capsize, if it has not already!

[edit on 10-3-2010 by OrionHunterX]

Originally posted by OrionHunterX
CHRLZ, it's no use! These guys have already been challenged before in this very thread to produce the best that they've got! But it's zilch so far! Nada! Nothing specially from friend Martyn Stubbs who seems to possess the biggest vocal chords this side of the Suez! All rant and NO substance!

In a nutshell, these guys have nothing to show but their ignorance and blind faith in poppycock!!

By the way, great job with those craters!

Thanks, it was nuthin' (looks down and shuffles feet..)

As I said, I still live in hope... I can always hope that these folk are just doing other things, and will eventually be back, to post the proverbial *really good stuff*. Yes, I can hope that they actually have lives outside sitting at their PC's and trying to be keyboard heroes to people even more uninformed than they.... so that, of course, is why they are not responding.

But it is sorta funny to watch. You can almost see them testing the waters, and seeing if there is anyone around who will actually apply rigour and proper investigation to their claims. And if there is, you can almost hear the whooshing sound - they seem to vanish rather fast. Anyway, while waiting, I did some searching on previous postings by some of these folk, so that was worth a laugh..



PS - I do have a life, so there may be long pauses between my attendances here.

PPS - just FTR, a few immodest (but true) words about me, to ensure my biases (many) and credentials (none!) are available:
- I am a strong believer in the Apollo missions (in fact I KNOW we went, exactly as publicised and recorded in extraordinary detail.)
- I also believe in the possibility of alien life out there, and would love to be around if we are ever visited. Hasn't happened yet, imo.
- I have a long background in a very wide range of the sciences in hands-on roles (inc meteorology), but am not a qualified scientist
- I have a background in photography (from film thru digital imaging) going back over forty years
- I love investigating stuff and I don't miss much.. (but I've seen others far better at it here..)
- I am a keen amateur astronomer and NASA 'buff'. I LOVE some of their stuff, eg Mercury/Gemini/Apollo, SOHO, Hubble (after correction), Voyager, Pioneer, LRO... But I HATE other stuff - Apollo 1, the entire shuttle project and most of the ISS, the Hubble error.. But I do love their archives (eg ALSJ) and having access to so much of their stuff.

Lastly, I think it's quite ironic that probably the most open and accessible huge quasi-gov organisation (NASA) gets so much flack from CT-ers and tinfoilhatters, simply because they happen to be involved in space exploration and they won't co-operate by giving the CT brigade any decent evidence. As there IS none.

But enuf about me, now let's wait for those really good examples... They should be rollin' in any minute now..

Soon...

..ish..


((crickets chirping...))

Originally posted by OrionHunterX
LunaCognita who?

While waiting (grin) I did a quick look for some LunaCog stuff, and the first thing I found was the 'emtpy spacesuit' claim. In a nutshell, he/she had a Youtube video that loudly proclaimed there was an image purportedly showing an empty space helmet!! which in turn proved, er.. er... something bad...

Anyway, MANY MANY folk immediately spotted who it was and why the image in question gave the vague impression of being empty - the astronaut simply had his face turned away so you could only see the back and side of his noggin...

The laughter grew and grew, and finally ... LunaCog pulled the video and all comments off Youtube and has not spoken of it since...

But hey, that's just one teeny little error!! I'm sure that she/he has done lots of really good stuff since then, of a standard fully acceptable to Jose Escamilla and his supporters...

reply to post by CHRLZ


Thanks for your effort Although I employed the EXACT SAME technique I didn't achieve precise alignment. (Although I did a screen grab of both images rather than C&P each one, no biggie.) My efforts were to CONFIRM the claim in OP, not DENY them which is why I was puzzled when images didn't align. However, it is obvious some enjoy the "coy cat-and-mouse" back and forth of these threads and always feeling superior.
Me, I am simply searching for truth via most direct route.

Although I do happen to know where there is an ATM giving out crisp $100 dollar bills with entry of ANY four digit PIN. Unfortunately I can't tell you where it is.

FTR, I concur with most of your views and BTW have NEVER had exchanges with OP or anyone else for that matter on the subject of Escamilla.

However, If you'd like to lump-sum me into the category of other nut-jobs who dare question things, go right ahead. I'd be honored.

I will retry my original comparison again. Thanks.

Regards...kk


[edit on 10-3-2010 by kinda kurious]

Originally posted by CHRLZ
Anyway, while waiting, I did some searching on previous postings by some of these folk, so that was worth a laugh..

ROFL!! OMG! Lemme guess......Martyn Stubbs??


PS - I do have a life, so there may be long pauses between my attendances here.
Oh yeah, seeing that he's the White House Chief of Staff!!

PPS - just FTR, a few immodest (but true) words about me, to ensure my biases (many) and credentials (none!) are available
See? I told you so! No credentials!!

- I have a long background in a very wide range of the sciences in hands-on roles (inc meteorology), but am not a qualified scientist.
Not a qualified scientist? That's news? In other words, a quack!

- I love investigating stuff and I don't miss much..
...Which results in poppycock!

- I am a keen amateur astronomer and NASA 'buff'. I LOVE some of their stuff, eg Mercury/Gemini/Apollo, SOHO, Hubble (after correction), Voyager, Pioneer, LRO... But I HATE other stuff - Apollo 1, the entire shuttle project and most of the ISS, the Hubble error..
Sheesh! He seems to have a love-hate relationship with NASA, eh?



Hmmm... I'm still waiting for them self styled 'experts'! They seem to have downed their shutters and skedaddled - at least for now!



[edit on 10-3-2010 by OrionHunterX]

Originally posted by kinda kurious
Thanks for your effort

Although I employed the EXACT SAME technique I didn't achieve precise alignment. My efforts were to CONFIRM the claim in OP, not DENY them which is why I was puzzled when images didn't align. However, it is obvious some enjoy the "coy cat-and-mouse" back and forth of these threads and always feeling superior.
Me, I am simply searching for truth via most direct route.

Although I do happen to know where there is an ATM giving out crisp $100 dollar bills with entry of ANY four digit PIN. Unfortunately I can't tell you where it is.

FTR, I concur with most of your views and BTW have NEVER had exchanges with OP or anyone else for that matter on the subject of Escamilla.

I will retry my original comparison using blend mode. Thanks.

Regards...kk

Good - it 's really rewarding to see someone actually doing stuff..!

But blend mode? Nope. Just practice the moving and scaling functions while using a top layer at 50% transparency. DON'T FORGET to increase the canvas size to give yourself room to move, and follow my instructions to the letter, and play around until you have worked it out. Maybe even work at 150% zoom for a bigger view.. Once you master this, there will be nothing you cannot achieve!! Seriously, it's a bit like driving a car. At some point it will just click and become second nature, and you'll be able to do it in seconds.

That entire process, if I wasn't writing it all down, would have taken me less than a minute.

Keep on questioning!!

[edit on 10-3-2010 by CHRLZ]

reply to post by kinda kurious


Maybe this is where Orionhunter got his image from.

Orions moon

Oh and you can make a square peg fit in a round hole if you work at it.
Good on you in keeping on trying but I'm sure you get my meaning.

[edit on 10/3/10 by gallifreyan medic]

To OrionHunterX

How on earth did you guess Martyn Stubbs? Remarkable. Like you read my mind..

And that Chief of Staff comment - WHO LEAKED??? Heads will roll!!!

because i was called by someone that i have an obsession with animated gifs, (from which i understand he "loves" me, in another thread), why not to argument more my obssesion, with one more animated gif:



I think also this kind of animation can help to better understand the alignment.
(done in Corel Photopaint, maybe this can be done also in Adope, but, i used the best/simple way i know.)

reply to post by depthoffield


Not quite matching is it.
Thats the trouble with models,not accurate.

Black and white first - Model,real,model,real.etc

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by free_spirit

 

I have no knowledge of what role Luna Cognita may or may not have had in the making of that movie.

LunaCognita is a member of ATS and known by many here but anyway just check this thread about the association Jose Escamilla - LunaCognita
and give me your comment, are they both hoaxers in your opinion or not.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by free_spirit

 

I have no knowledge of what role Luna Cognita may or may not have had in the making of that movie.

LunaCognita is a member of ATS and known by many here but anyway just check this thread about the association Jose Escamilla - LunaCognita
and give me your comment, are they both hoaxers in your opinion or not.

www.abovetopsecret.com...