Escamilla’s Fans Just Got Conned! Deny Ignorance!

Good to be here folks. I am doing an investigation here on Mr. Escamilla

Originally posted by lawabidingstzn
Good to be here folks. I am doing an investigation here on Mr. Escamilla

Are you new to the topic? Why the interest, may I ask?

If you go nowhere else, go here:
www.bautforum.com...
(the last page has some good summary info (coughs modestly), but the whole thread is worth reading if you have the time..)
Note that bautforum is currently going thru a (painful) transfer to a new server, and some internal links are not working properly..


..and don't miss 'roswell rods' and 'John Lenard Walson'. It helps to add the word 'hoax' onto any google search...

My security system reports the bautforum link goes to a high risk site that installs malware. Why should that be?

My security system says:

What is the current listing status for bautforum.com?

Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this website may harm your computer.

What happened when Google visited this site?

Of the 98 pages that we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 0 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time that Google visited this site was on 2010-04-03, and suspicious content was never found on this site within the past 90 days.

This site was hosted on 2 network(s) including AS36351 (SOFTLAYER), AS33070 (RMH).

Has this site acted as an intermediary resulting in further distribution of malware?

Over the past 90 days, bautforum.com did not appear to function as an intermediary for the infection of any sites.

Has this site hosted malware?

No, this site has not hosted malicious software over the past 90 days.

How did this happen?

In some cases, third parties can add malicious code to legitimate sites, which would cause us to show the warning message.

WG3

[edit on 4-4-2010 by waveguide3]

reply to post by waveguide3

CHRLZ answered your question before you even asked it.

Hosting the site on 2 networks is considered a suspicious activity.

When they are switching servers, it's not suspicious.

Edit to add: It's not a bad idea to be suspicious of the vast majority of websites on the internet. I've seen even honest, legitimate sites get hijacked by malware. ATS hired a company to help them combat malware but not every website operator out there is so diligent or can afford this service. So I treat most websites as suspicious, whether Google reports them that way or not, and my advice would be for others to do the same. ATS is one of the few I have more trust in.



[edit on 4-4-2010 by Arbitrageur]

Originally posted by waveguide3
My security system reports the bautforum link goes to a high risk site that installs malware. Why should that be?

My security system says:

What is the current listing status for bautforum.com?

Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this website may harm your computer.

What happened when Google visited this site?

Of the 98 pages that we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 0 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time that Google visited this site was on 2010-04-03, and suspicious content was never found on this site within the past 90 days.

This site was hosted on 2 network(s) including AS36351 (SOFTLAYER), AS33070 (RMH).

Has this site acted as an intermediary resulting in further distribution of malware?

Over the past 90 days, bautforum.com did not appear to function as an intermediary for the infection of any sites.

Has this site hosted malware?

No, this site has not hosted malicious software over the past 90 days.

How did this happen?

In some cases, third parties can add malicious code to legitimate sites, which would cause us to show the warning message.

WG3

[edit on 4-4-2010 by waveguide3]

What arbitrageur said, but.. Baut was in fact recently attacked by malware that affected the *site* - not, as far as I am aware, any users thereof. That's partly why they replaced the forum software and moved to new servers.

Use caution, no matter where you go, including here...

Added - the warnings have now escalated, and it seems Baut may have been attacked again...! I would have to withdraw my recommendation until further notice.



[edit on 4-4-2010 by CHRLZ]

I am preparing a statement to make here that deals with Jose Escamilla very soon. I am sure everyone here will be surprised at what I have to say. I have been busy down south in Mexicali helping some friends due to the quake. I'll be back here soon.

Originally posted by lawabidingstzn
I am preparing a statement to make here that deals with Jose Escamilla very soon. I am sure everyone here will be surprised at what I have to say. I have been busy down south in Mexicali helping some friends due to the quake. I'll be back here soon.

Lawabidingstzn.....

Well, that all sounds very intriguing.

Hurry back with your info.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Jose... This is the same dude that says slow shutter speed cameras recording bugs flying around are 'RODS'.

I won't buy ANY 'UFO' Book or DVD. They are as bad and as 'con artist-ish'(heh) as late night paid programming commercials.

But as they say, a sucker is born every minute. (a fool and his money are soon parted also comes to mind).

Jose has been debunked YEARS ago.. He is old news...

[edit on 4/8/2010 by Pharyax]

reply to post by Pharyax


Pharyax.....

Well you never know.....

Lawabidingstzn might come back with some good info about Escamilla.

Perhaps he'll bust another Escamilla hoax!

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Looks like this thread may wake up again..

Just for the record, it seems BAUT (The Bad Astronomy/Universe Today forum) is now operating well again - no warnings or issues. However, there are a few issues with the new forum software - internal links to old threads may not work. (ATS, I hope you test your new software thoroughly before taking the plunge!)

So given that it seems safe to visit once more, I'll post that Escamilla thread again for any interested bystanders:

www.bautforum.com...

I'm back for a very short time right now I have to go back to Mexicali, but I felt I needed to post this for now. There are many postings here at ATS levying some pretty nasty commentary about Mr. Escamilla and what my investigation is about, is why there is so much hatred toward this man here at ATS and a few other forums like Bad Astronomy, and others I have found.

What amazes me is that he has been bashed, thrashed and trashed without his being able to have any recourse by responding to these accusations as listed here in this thread and others here at ATS. He has been banned from ATS, but I came to find out, it was not because of any hoaxing on his part as one of your members claims here in this thread.

That is a false accusation and the person that posted that knows he is not being truthful. I prefer to deal with the truth and not some fly-by-night commentary made by someone who dislikes this man for what ever reason and claiming to be telling the truth about him in this and other forums.

Before anyone here makes any claims that I have been hired by Mr. Escamilla, I want to clarify, that I am an independent investigator with a background in acquiring information on subjects, and I have been hired by a third party whose name will remain anonymous.

I read the Bad Astronomy threads and found out that he has been excluded from responding there. I was able to check out a link that most of you probably overlooked, where he explained his work on this one photo that is the subject of the Bad Astronomy thread.

What you will read there is self explanatory, but you will note, Mr. Escamilla did not run away from that thread as some of you have claimed. Instead he presents his evidence in the form of a tutorial and from what I gathered, the Bad Astronomy people who posted their accusations and commentary totally avoided the real issue pertaining to the photography they are talking about.

As they say "there's always two sides to the story" and these links, (which I found quite comical) relate to what Mr. Escamilla was not allowed to state on that forum.

Again, I want to state my position, in that I am not siding with anyone here at ATS, at Bad Astronomy and especially with Mr. Escamilla.

I have never contacted him personally, although I eventually will in behalf of my client, and I think it's time to get to the bottom of why there is so much hatred toward this man here at ATS.

This is what I was hired to find out by my client. Why is it there is hatred toward Jose Escamilla? Is he a real Con-Man, is he committing fraud and felonies against the public with his films and claims?

These are serious charges and accusations being presented here by many of those commenting in this thread. It appears that the owners of ATS are complicit by allowing these libelous accusations to continue.

Below are two links that lead to Mr. Escamilla's responses to the Bad Astronomy forum and it seems that the LAPD forensics expert mentioned in his Moon Rising movie, is being accused of not doing the job he was paid for in the film.

tblnfilms.com...

tblnfilms.com...

I am running a check on the forensics expert to find out exactly what Mr. Escamilla is accusing him of when referring to the job he was hired to do for his film.

As far as all are concerned, yes I am checking everyone out. That's what I have been hired to do.

Originally posted by lawabidingstzn
This is what I was hired to find out by my client. Why is it there is hatred toward Jose Escamilla? Is he a real Con-Man, is he committing fraud and felonies against the public with his films and claims?

These are serious charges and accusations being presented here by many of those commenting in this thread. It appears that the owners of ATS are complicit by allowing these libelous accusations to continue.

As the site owner pointed out we aren't allowed to discuss reasons a member was banned, so that's off topic.

While I have made a number of posts pointing out the inaccuracies in Escamilla's work, I actually don't hate the man and if he'd start reporting more accurate facts, he actually seems like a likable fellow. So I can't speak for anyone else but for me it's not personal at all. I hate lies, deception and fraud, especially for profit, and it's those behaviors I hate, not necessarily the people making those behaviors.

But I can't even say for sure that Escamilla is a liar, because some people have delusional fantasies not based in reality and actually believe the things they are saying, which in a sense means that even if what they are saying isn't true, they may not be intentionally lying about it. I think only Escamilla knows for sure if he really believes all the crap he's telling us or if the deceit is intentional. I would have a lot more respect for the guy if he just admitted he was wrong about rods for example, but I've still seen no such admission yet, and the documentation about rods is pretty overwhelming regarding what they actually are, yet Escamilla ignores the facts.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
.....he actually seems like a likable fellow.

Arbitrageur.....

You can see why the discussions with JE always end up being a "battle thread"..... here is some of the high quality dialogue that JE wrote in the attached article as per lawabidingstzn:

NOTICE*** TO THE IDIOTS AT BAD ASTRONOMY:

Bozos
goofballs
clowns
Bozos
bunch of clowns
your b______t
all the other Bozos
what a bunch of pompous a_s goons and clowns.
clowned himself
rest of the goofy idiots
That's the type of mentals you will find there
What a bunch of YoYos.
the idiots on the forum
you morons
you narrow minded fools
you idiots
the silly s__t you posted
you are all a bunch of baffoons
I have better things to do than debate with idiots.
the idiotic things posted
the rest of the clowns
and the other clowns
what a bunch of chuckle heads
bunch of fools
his b______t
you goofballs
This guy’s a real moron
His feeble mind
bunch of snapperheads

Sincerely - Jose Escamilla

....."bunch of snapperheads".....



Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 8-4-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

To "lawabidingstzn"...

Feel free to come back without the quite offensive spam and when you actually have any useful information to add.

In the meantime, Mr Escamilla is able to return to Bautforum, and his threads will be reopened if he returns. But he seems to be choosing not to, and prefers to hide on his website ... I've referred those links back to Bautforum.

BTW, for an 'investigator', you seem to have made a VERY strange first move by posting as you have, and also seem to have some.. er.. preconceptions, shall we say...


But I was born yesterday, so I believe you.

[edit on 8-4-2010 by CHRLZ]

reply to post by CHRLZ


Ahhh.....

You're just being a "snapperhead"!



But seriously.....

You can see where debate with JE always leads to a "battle thread".....that's why I posted the excerpts from his article.

I also agree with the point you made pertaining to the "investigator" telegraphing his "moves".

That's just silliness.

I think it's either a hoax, or a very lame attempt to kill this thread & any further discussion of JE's work......or both.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 8-4-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

Originally posted by lawabidingstzn

I've seen this thread title, looked at a couple of replies and decided not to get involved as I really don't know it's purpose. But curiosity got the best of me and I landed on the reply by Pharyax posted on 8-4-2010 @ 02:35 AM. This person's reply is the reason I decided to put in my 2 cents because lawabidingstzn says above: "What amazes me is that he has been bashed, thrashed and trashed..." and this guy, Pharyax, is one of the guilty parties. His method of expression (Dude!) indicates that he did not receive high education and makes stupid comments.

He states: "Jose... This is the same dude that says slow shutter speed cameras recording bugs flying around are 'RODS'." Jose has never made such statements. On the contrary, Jose is on record in a documentary as showing 2 side by side camcorders recording whatever flies in front of them. One camcorder is set on regular or slow shutter settings and the other camcorder is set on high shutter settings. Bugs are clear on the high shutter camcorder but rods are shown for what they are, i.e., high-speed creatures. I know from past threads/posts/replies that there are some here that have a problem dealing with the reality of rods. But, frankly, WGAF about their comments. I am a member of his seemingly now defunct Rods Researchers team but I still call myself TVRODMAN 'cause Jose gave me that handle and my rods research has been appreciated by many. Supporting the reality of rods just as well as that of UFOs are the millions of photos/films/videos shot by amateurs and professionals.

Jose is not a scammer or a hoaxer. Jose is a victim of circumstances. He is a personal friend of mine and I've tried to counsel him on his projects, especially when he started to get involved with UFOs and ULOs. I tried to get him to not get involved with UFOs because at the beginning he couldn't tell the difference between good UFO reports/photos/films/videos and hoaxed ones.

As a lunar anomaly "expert" I tried to get him to realize the foolishness of accepting the claims for such, especially by the lunar photos using colorizing to highlight perceived anomalies structures. But it was difficult getting through to him and all I could do was wish him success in his endeavors since there is an audience for all kinds of associated bs.

I don't know why lawabidingstzn was hired ("I have been hired by a third party whose name will remain anonymous.") to investigate Jose as if Jose was a Bernie Madoff but whatever his reasons and those of who hired him, I'll be interested in the outcome.

Snip



[edit on 8-4-2010 by The Shrike]








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[edit on 8/4/2010 by Sauron]

Originally posted by The Shrike
I've seen this thread title, looked at a couple of replies and decided not to get involved

??? So what exactly *are* you doing??

His method of expression (Dude!) indicates that he did not receive high education and makes stupid comments.

Possibly the finest piece of ad hominem I've seen this week.

Yes, Ad Hominem - the preferred weapon of a person who doesn't want to debate facts.

On the contrary, Jose is on record... Bugs are clear on the high shutter camcorder but rods are shown for what they are, i.e., high-speed creatures.

Look, it's clear you have no agenda..., but forgive me for suggesting that you might have a little more credibility if you provided a link to this footage, and a discussion of the technical aspects (see below)...

I know from past threads/posts/replies that there are some here that have a problem dealing with the reality of rods.

Oh, do ya think??? Wiki says they are bugs, and on this one, I'm with Wiki.. Also, to see where Escamilla screwed up with his side by side video 'proof', look here:
www.amsky.com...
and note the bit about linear versus angular velocity - really basic stuff... Jose always gets tripped up by those dang details. And there are soooo many other places you can go to get the rods debunked:
www.opendb.com...
home.flash.net...

But you hang on to your belief...

But, frankly, WGAF about their comments.

Backatcha.

I am a member of his seemingly now defunct Rods Researchers team

A well deserved situation, it appears....

Jose is not a scammer or a hoaxer. Jose is a victim of circumstances.

He markets dvds on false premises. He is a scammer and a hoaxer. Full stop.

Why don't you pop back and take a good long hard look at the links of Escamilla's posted above by his little 'friend'? And then tell me if you have ever seen a credible person acting in such a fashion, and using such language and vitriol, while hiding behind his website. This is the same person who ran away when his ridiculous claims (AS YOU ADMIT) about aliens on the Moon were challenged in an open forum. He is NOT banned at that forum - he chose to run for it. Why? Because at his own website, he can't get responses, and he doesn't have to deal with reality and the information that deBUNKs his BUNK.

Would you like me to REdebunk the information (what there is of it) amongst the foul language on those pages? I'm happy to do it, but I will just be repeating what was said over at BAUT. And in fact you debunk it yourself, below!!! So basically, he has simply posted a pile of insults and lies.

...I've tried to counsel him on his projects...he couldn't tell the difference between good UFO reports/photos/films/videos and hoaxed ones.

Do you not see the complete hypocrisy in what you are saying? You just admitted he is using hoaxes and continues to do so. And from what has been posted here, at BAUT, GLP and numerous other sites, it is PATENTLY and ABSOLUTELY clear that he refuses to change his claims after he is proven wrong.

So yes, thanks for verifying that Jose Escamilla is a proven scammer and hoaxer.

I don't know why lawabidingstzn was hired

You seem to have missed the memo about who lawabidingstzn is... See if you can guess.

And if you think he is a bona fides investigator......

Added..
PS - this post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
on Jose's 'Rods' thread, is essential reading.

[edit on 9-4-2010 by CHRLZ]

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
.....he actually seems like a likable fellow.

Arbitrageur.....

You can see why the discussions with JE always end up being a "battle thread"..... here is some of the high quality dialogue that JE wrote in the attached article as per lawabidingstzn:

NOTICE*** TO THE IDIOTS AT BAD ASTRONOMY:

That's a long list of ad hominems!

But when you're getting your head handed to you by a bunch of braniac scientists, what else can you do? Arguing on facts and evidence is hopeless when they aren't on your side!

Originally posted by The Shrike
I've seen this thread title, looked at a couple of replies and decided not to get involved as I really don't know it's purpose.

The purpose was pretty evident from the title of the thread, wasn't it? Are you sure you didn't know the purpose?

Originally posted by The Shrike
Jose is not a scammer or a hoaxer. Jose is a victim of circumstances. He is a personal friend of mine and I've tried to counsel him on his projects, especially when he started to get involved with UFOs and ULOs. I tried to get him to not get involved with UFOs because at the beginning he couldn't tell the difference between good UFO reports/photos/films/videos and hoaxed ones.

Wow it didn't take you long to figure out the purpose! And I ask you, is it that he can't tell the difference between real UFOs and hoaxed ones, or that he CAN tell the difference but chooses to stick to his incorrect information even after you, along with many others, point it out to him?

Originally posted by CHRLZ
Wiki says they are bugs, and on this one, I'm with Wiki.. Also, to see where Escamilla screwed up with his side by side video 'proof', look here:
www.amsky.com...

I find the Monsterquest video exposing the truth about rods very compelling. They shoot at 1000 frames per second. Notice how people like The Shrike and Escamilla don't want to talk about frames per second, but want to talk about shutter speed instead as if that's the same thing? It's not the same.

And I thought rods were usually bats, birds or bugs. That's the first time I've seen a rod that was determined to be a tooth! :bash: That's the closest emoticon I could find to getting a tooth knocked out. Ouch! That must have hurt!

[edit on 9-4-2010 by Arbitrageur]

If the government ever starts to use micro-UAVs to spy on domestic terrorists and dissident scum, all they will have to do to avoid serious scrutiny is to attach a couple of twirly streamers to the thing.

Then whenever someone records one and posts it on ATS, we can all laugh at him and call him names. That sucker will have no credibility after they post one of those babies.

*Eventually people will see the things with their naked bare eyes and they will think to themselves "this has been debunked... I'm stupid".

reply to post by Exuberant1

The spy "drones" on the TV show "24" look pretty cool. I've seen shows about experimental models with similar capabilities but they weren't quite as effective and reliable as the ones in 24.

But at least you can see those with the naked eye, though you have to be looking for it though I guess. But nobody has ever seen a rod with their naked eye have they? (unless they have some kind of vision problem)