Escamilla’s Fans Just Got Conned! Deny Ignorance!

Originally posted by Blender
As far as the moon only "appearing" grey b/c of our atmosphere. Why does Mars appear red? Its much farther from us than the moon. Why do we see color there, but none on the moon?

check the following article.....

WHAT ABOUT MARS, JUPITER AND SATURN?

If we look from Earth with the naked eye at Mars, many may say that it appears to be a red color. After all, it is known as the “red planet”. Well, the truth is that Mars does not actually look red from down here on Earth. It appears as a brownish, tan color. Mars really is reflecting a lot of red spectrum light, and red, being a longer wavelength than blue, eats through the atmospheric distortion and is less scattered than the shorter wavelengths are. Therefore, a good deal of that red actually reaches our eyes on Earth, and the filtering effects of the atmosphere do not cancel the red entirely. After that red is filtered through our atmosphere, what color information that manages to fight it’s way through leaves Mars with the tan coloured planet we see from Earth.

Now, there are times when Mars can indeed appear red, or redder, to the naked eye from Earth. Depending on the atmospheric conditions and just where Mars lies in relation to the earth’s horizon when it is being viewed, those tan Martian colors we see on Earth can be amplified to appear far deeper than they actually are. After all, sometimes the Moon looks red from Earth, all depending upon the atmospheric “seeing” conditions!

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Originally posted by Blender

Here’s a grab of the movie trailer and the crater I’ve marked with an arrow showing what he claims is a UFO.

I watched this documentary and I don't remember him ever speaking on that picture with the craters, or ever claiming one of the craters to be a UFO.

As far as the moon only "appearing" grey b/c of our atmosphere. Why does Mars appear red? Its much farther from us than the moon. Why do we see color there, but none on the moon?

Watch the video in the OP, he calls the crater a UFO a little after 3 minutes and then he calls it and the other craters "real flying saucers" a little after 4 minutes.

Thank you for asking that question about Mars. The reason Mars appears red is because it's red. There are subtle colors to the moon when viewed under certain conditions, but not nearly as deep and pronounced as the red of Mars. So when seen from Earth, both the moon and Mars are somewhat washed out from the colors you'd see up close, but since Mars has a lot more color up close to begin with, you can still see the color red pretty brightly from Earth, even though it's a little washed out from the way it would look on the surface, up close.

But your question also highlights that while yes, the moon has color, it seems like some people like Escamilla are trying to exaggerate how much color it has. Here's a "natural color" image of the moon from the link Escamilla referenced in his video

www.mapaplanet.org...

Not a lot of color there, but some.. Now compare that to Mars:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f684b120560f.png[/atsimg]

NASA's colors are on the left, and Richard Hoagland photoshopped that to give it a blue sky on the right.

Escamilla thought NASA's not showing enough color on the moon so he makes up his own color palette from EARTH mind you, and "colorizes" the moon with Earth tones. So NASA shows more color on MARS and Hoagland says it's too much color! Not enough color? Too much color? Sheesh, NASA can't seem to make all the conspiracy theorists happy, can it?

But let's go with NASA's colors for the sake of argument, if you wash out that bright red a little bit, it's still going to look red from Earth which it does. The colors aren't all that pronounced in the moon so they are a little easier to wash out. Plus as I explained back on page 11, red is the easiest color to transmit through the atmosphere as it is subject o the least amount of atmospheric diffusion relative to the other colors, so that helps Mars keep its red color better also.

reply to post by undo


The first part is done, I found the craters, here.

Tomorrow I will download and post (if time permits) the 5 greyscale images and the colour image created by using the 415, 750 and 900 nm bands.

reply to post by ArMaP


thanks! get the other one too, if you would be so kind? i've been looking for it for awhile now but this map a planet browser is really slow on my computer. did you manage to get the .cub files working?

i vote armap for presidente.

[edit on 16-3-2010 by undo]

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by undo

 

The first part is done, I found the craters, here.

Thanks ArMap! We can trust you to find even a pebble on the Moon!

Here's undo's 'floating' craters on the Lunar Orbiter mosaic. I don't see any of them floating! Unless I'm missing something here?

Originally posted by OrionHunterX
Thanks ArMap! We can trust you to find even a pebble on the Moon!

Here's undo's 'floating' craters on the Lunar Orbiter mosaic. I don't see any of them floating! Unless I'm missing something here?

Way to go ArMaP! woohoo! I looked for them for about 5-10 minutes but I never found them during that time.

I can't say I saw them floating in the original but I'll be interested to see what undo says about the Lunar Orbiter imagery. My comment on it is, it looks more "distorted" than I expected, maybe due the angle of photography and perhaps some stretching to fit the mosaic? Just guessing? But in any case, it does look different in that view.

The feature at the top of that picture is interesting, looks like a big spike shape but as I said it appears the imagery is somewhat distorted so I'm not sure that's the real shape of it.

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i really like the lunar orbiters iimages of the moon. more anomalies than you can shake a stick at. but i agree with arb on that, that's kinda leannning way over there. hey can you link me up to a LO map browser? i wonder if map a planet has it!

reply to post by undo

Glad you like the spike too.

But what about the craters? Now that you've seen a different view of them, do you have a different perspective on the first image you posted? Like maybe there's no ice or glass or floating or mushroom shapes or domes or whatever?

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by OrionHunterX

 

hey can you link me up to a LO map browser? i wonder if map a planet has it!

Sure thing! The pleasure is entirely mine but that's courtesy ArMaP who provided the link. On the left you'll find a number of options. Just click on the 'Lunar Orbiter Mosaic' and presto!

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
The feature at the top of that picture is interesting, looks like a big spike shape but as I said it appears the imagery is somewhat distorted so I'm not sure that's the real shape of it.

Hi Arb! Is this the feature you're referring to?



Well, it looks like it's just a convex elongated hill feature to me. However, it doesn't show up in the Clem-UVVIS Multispectral Mosaic version. Or perhaps I haven't looked too hard!

Of course there are many who'll scream it's a UFO, which resembles that so called 'alien spacecraft' purportedly photographed by Apollo 20 which needless to say was a hoax of cosmic proportions!!!

Oh crumbs! I have a nagging feeling Undo is gonna go berserk over this image! Lol!





[edit on 17-3-2010 by OrionHunterX]

reply to post by Arbitrageur


well the glass thing is still up in the air, primarily because the papers i read on the composition of the lunar regolith.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Like maybe there's no ice or glass or floating or mushroom shapes or domes or whatever?

The Apollo 17 astronauts allegedly saw domes and domical structures:

(Apollo 17 DSE transcript, at the time of the comment, astronauts are looking down at lunar surface whilst in orbit )

So they saw domes.... And domical structures.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


well if he has access to the .cub files,
he's way ahead of us.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

(Apollo 17 DSE transcript, at the time of the comment, astronauts are looking down at lunar surface whilst in orbit )

So they saw domes.... And domical structures.

Yes they did! Natural dome shaped formations!

Definition of Dome: A dome-like structure, object, or natural formation.

That's how one would describe a perfectly natural geological formation that's in the shape of a dome (domical structure). It doesn't mean it's an ARTIFICIAL dome!

The transcript mentions, "the domes were built". Yes! Naturally. Geologically. Not by them aliens by any stretch of imagination!

reply to post by OrionHunterX


ok you cannot be serious, turning craters into spacecraft, i suppose there is a slight chance that he could have stumbled upon something truly remarkable, that i will not be paying 50 dollars for

reply to post by OrionHunterX


by your logic then.. it does also not say its not artificial

and lets clarify the definition of dome it can also be: A dome is a structural element of architecture that resembles the hollow upper half of a sphere.

im not trying to put fuel on a fire or start an arguement but there are 2 sides on a coin. yours is increasingly one sided.

btw i agree mr escamilla is wrong calling it a ufo, and does have questionable motives with his videos.

reply to post by thecsb

The astronauts had some training in geology before they left so that they could provide meaningful observations for earthbound geologists. Volcanism was one very important area of study, in fact they spent time on Hawaiian volcanoes as part of their training.

In volcanology, a lava dome is a roughly circular mound-shaped protrusion resulting from the slow extrusion of viscous lava from a volcano.

en.wikipedia.org...

They are talking about lava domes.


[edit on 3/17/2010 by Phage]

Originally posted by OrionHunterX

Originally posted by Exuberant1

(Apollo 17 DSE transcript, at the time of the comment, astronauts are looking down at lunar surface whilst in orbit )

So they saw domes.... And domical structures.

Yes they did! Natural dome shaped formations!

I'm not a lunar geologist but I do know enough to be dangerous about lunar geology. The craters are excavated by impacts, usually on a surface which wasn't molten at the time of impact.

When discussing domes in the excerpt shown, they are referring to maria which are volcanic structures, and we know that volcanic structures here on Earth create convex structures such as volcanoes, or domes are possible too based on the viscosity of the magma flow and other factors. So yes I'd be surprised if there were no dome-like structures in the maria.

GENESIS AND EVOLUTION OF THE LUNAR CRUST

The mare lava flows are associated with a number of volcanic vents, in the form of domes and scoria cones. The domes are typically found in clusters. They are circular to elliptical, typically a few kilometers across and several hundred meters high. The basaltic domes on the moon appear to be the lunar equivalents of shield volcanoes found on earth.

And in fact even the larger crater impacts produce a "dome like" convex feature in the center called the "central uplift" which is a feature resulting from the physics of larger impacts. Tycho is such a crater with a central uplift.

But my question about domes was related specifically to the images undo posted which were of craters, not in a mare.

undo thanks for answering, yes the mineral composition of the moon's surface is interesting indeed. Well the beach is covered with sand, which is similar in composition to glass, should we call that sand on the beach "glass" too?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Does it strike anyone else as odd that they said "domes were built" as opposed to "domes were formed?" (Especially considering some are suggesting they had geological training.)

Inasmuch as you all are suggesting geological explanations, I find the wording peculiar. But, among other things, I am a recovering English major.

[edit on 17-3-2010 by kinda kurious]

Originally posted by kinda kurious
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Does it strike anyone else as odd that they said "domes were built" as opposed to "domes were formed?" (Especially considering some are suggesting they had geological training.)

As OrionHunterX says, they WERE built, by natural forces:

Originally posted by OrionHunterX
The transcript mentions, "the domes were built". Yes! Naturally. Geologically. Not by them aliens by any stretch of imagination!

So no, I don't find it particularly odd they said "built".