Top home-school texts dismiss Darwin, evolution

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Originally posted by DJW001
Patience, everyone. Don't you all see how this experiment is set up? Group "A" is taught a standard curriculum, including the sciences. Group "B" is taught a series of random curricula including superstitions of various sorts, but minus the sciences. The two groups are then released into 21st century society. The results will be self-evident in just a few years.


Yes, in other words, group A establishes a rigid, this is how it is because we say so, and group B establishes an education that allows thinking outside the box, and that there is a certain magic and mystery to life that always keeps all inclusive knowledge just out of reach for a purpose.

You seem confused as to the values the two groups are learning. Group "A" is the one being taught the scientific method, which is based on questioning everything and using facts to reach conclusions. Group "B" is being taught to believe things based on the weight of the authority of "ancient teachings." My bet would be that group "A" will prove more adaptable. Group "B" on the other hand, will be very content with their lot because they know that however ignorant they are, it is magical and for a purpose.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by 911stinks

 

Originally posted by DJW001
Patience, everyone. Don't you all see how this experiment is set up? Group "A" is taught a standard curriculum, including the sciences. Group "B" is taught a series of random curricula including superstitions of various sorts, but minus the sciences. The two groups are then released into 21st century society. The results will be self-evident in just a few years.


Yes, in other words, group A establishes a rigid, this is how it is because we say so, and group B establishes an education that allows thinking outside the box, and that there is a certain magic and mystery to life that always keeps all inclusive knowledge just out of reach for a purpose.

You seem confused as to the values the two groups are learning. Group "A" is the one being taught the scientific method, which is based on questioning everything and using facts to reach conclusions. Group "B" is being taught to believe things based on the weight of the authority of "ancient teachings." My bet would be that group "A" will prove more adaptable. Group "B" on the other hand, will be very content with their lot because they know that however ignorant they are, it is magical and for a purpose.

Basically sums up what I had just posted prior to this beautifully.

I was sick of typing to defend a point made earlier.

Thanks lol

Originally posted by jephers0n

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by jephers0n
I'm not a creationist, and I adhere to the evolution THEORY, personally.
But since there isn't a way to PROVE it without ANY doubt, it is still just that...
A widely accepted THEORY ...

So then you must naturally agree that the story in the Bile (Christianity) is also just a theory since there are so many other religions, correct?

BTW, I agree with you.

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I believe that the bible is just another long-running game of 'Broken-Telephone'.

It served more purpose in ancient times to give people an explanation to the biggest questions (and a lot of smaller ones) of the time. These peoples struggled with many questions which couldn't be answered in their time, whereas in our time, we posess the technology to actually assess the situation and information better. We are not smarter, by much, we just now posess more technology to show us these things, and more words now, to explain them better.

There are no magical pillars holding up the sky, for instance.
We know now that the sky is just a reflection of our own abundance of water on earth.
As above, so down below, or something to that effect.

I also believe that science and religion are no longer the different worlds that people usually tend to lump them into.

Merely, different ways to explain the world/universe as we know it.

One is based on evidence, and our current ability to put that evidence to use, and analyze.
The other is based on writings of peoples so long dead, and so out-dated, that it seems utterly ridiculous to me to take as fact, based on 100% faith.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that all religions, fundamentally, are a tool to bring people together, and give us hope that we are all here for a reason.

BUT,

The main reason for religions, in my eye, is to teach morals.

Simple, and true.

I see the bible as the story of mans education. Keep a healthy respect for the forces out there that are unknown.

Think about electricity. How mysterious it was only 200 yrs ago? Today, we take it for granted. But for those who truly understand electricity, it is still, just as mysterious.

It wasn't science that figured it out, but human curiosity and experimentation.

Originally posted by 911stinks


I see the bible as the story of mans education. Keep a healthy respect for the forces out there that are unknown.

Think about electricity. How mysterious it was only 200 yrs ago? Today, we take it for granted. But for those who truly understand electricity, it is still, just as mysterious.

It wasn't science that figured it out, but human curiosity and experimentation.

That's kind of my point..

I don't have a second line of response.

reply to post by DJW001


Great toshay! The only problem is that group A has little use for facts as well. They come to see the world as a random exertion of magic, a scientific witches brew without meaning or purpose save for the elevation of man and an excuse for a dissociation with reality.

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Group "B" on the other hand, will be very content with their lot because they know that however ignorant they are, it is magical and for a purpose.

Some people call it humility. Some call it faith. It's definitely NOT ignorant.

I don't think you are ignorant. Why would you call me ignorant? Is this warranted?

Originally posted by 911stinks

Some people call it humility. Some call it faith. It's definitely NOT ignorant.

I don't think you are ignorant. Why would you call me ignorant? Is this warranted?

Well, that is also what will happen, if one is to incite a debate of science vs religion.

Egos will be stroked, and beliefs will be argued.

Such is life...

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Considering that you are railing against science and telling everyone how useless and unreliable it is while using TECHNOLOGY that was brought to you be the very thing you accuse it is somewhat warranted.

And yes, overall the talking points you regurgiate here as well as your failure to make a coherent argument do point to a general unwillingness to concede to intellectual honesty. Maybe that's just me but these talking points are created to push the buttons of people who think critically. Maybe that's a good strategy as their propositional content is meaningless - better to stir up emotions and retreat than to stick to a fallacious line of arguing.

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I did not call you ignorant, sorry. What I meant to imply was that if one is aware of one's ignorance, they should strive to overcome it, not romanticize it.

Originally posted by jephers0n

Originally posted by 911stinks

Some people call it humility. Some call it faith. It's definitely NOT ignorant.

I don't think you are ignorant. Why would you call me ignorant? Is this warranted?

Well, that is also what will happen, if one is to incite a debate of science vs religion.

Egos will be stroked, and beliefs will be argued.

Such is life...

Then why are some people so afraid to die?

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by 911stinks

 

I did not call you ignorant, sorry. What I meant to imply was that if one is aware of one's ignorance, they should strive to overcome it, not romanticize it.

Inference apology accepted. I'm simply interested in healthy debate. I don't have all the answers. I am concerned with an apparent intentional movement of people away from God.

Suggesting we have all the answers, is egotistical. Science says, we have proof, therefore it is. How many times have they been shown to be wrong?

Proof, is only as good as faith.

Originally posted by 911stinks


Then why are some people so afraid to die?

Ok, I'll bite.

MOST people are afraid to die, firstly, because there is no way to TEST what happens to our 'consciousness' our 'selves' after we die, so there is no DEFINITIVE, TESTABLE ANSWER.

And MOST critically thinking people would prefer not to leave something as important as self preservance to a matter of BLIND FAITH based on edited, re-edited, and then re-written, archaic 'knowledge'

Are you ready to argue the other side? I already know what your answer will be, and it will be simple.

People on the other 'side of the fence' will not be scared, because, through the love and 'word of god' they know what will come after...



I'll leave this now never ending debate with a thought for YOU.


Considering we "now" posess free will, which got us kicked out of that good ol garden...
Would your god be happier if you just took for fact all in that (now) god-forsaken book, based on faith?

or

Would he be happier if you used that free will to find out if faith was the right choice or not?



[edit on 7-3-2010 by jephers0n]

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Everyone is entitled to their faith. The concern that some have about home schooling is that the parents will stifle their children emotionally and intellectually. Being raised in relative isolation and socializing only with a peer group that is selected by the parents can make dealing with adult society difficult. Much of what is learned in school, whether public or parochial, is how to negotiate social interactions without a parent's authority.

Originally posted by Logarock

The church of evolution has been shown to be one whos membership is full with fabricators, plagiarizers, liers, manufactures of evidence, undisciplined thinkers and dreamers. Their ministers like chicken hawks, await new arrivals from the outbacks, evey year at university.

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Evolution isn't a church, if any person ever finds evidence which contradicts Evolution then scientists will cast Evolution aside like a used tissue. Actually the very fact that Evolution theory has changed slightly here and there as more evidence has become available proves how scientists will go with the evidence. Also the fact that as science has advanced we have had predictions proven correctly further validates the theory.

Scientists are able to predict when an Evolutionary change occured, like fish beginning to grow legs. They can then find rock strata that is of the right age, dig it up and find fossils which match their prediction. That's some serious evidence.

Still you seem pretty sure that the theory, which is supported by every branch of science and not just biology, is wrong and you speak as if you have evidence to support this viewpoint. Please supply this evidence, if you cannot then your opinion can be ignored as hot air.

Originally posted by jephers0n

Originally posted by 911stinks


Then why are some people so afraid to die?

Ok, I'll bite.

MOST people are afraid to die, firstly, because there is no way to TEST what happens to our 'consciousness' our 'selves' after we die, so there is no DEFINITIVE, TESTABLE ANSWER.

Bingo. The bible says there is an afterlife, a reason to believe in God.
If I die, and I find out I'm wrong, well then it won't have mattered anyway.

I will still have had the satisfaction of living a full, productive and magic filled life.

I will continue the fight against those that would have everything they want, even at the expense of destroying others lives.

But God makes us a promise. If we have faith in Him, and treat each other well, there will be a reward in the afterlife.

Call me selfish, but I'm after the reward. Can you imagine the prize given by someone who can create the beauty of earth, and the complexity of man?

Originally posted by 911stinks


Proof, is only as good as faith.

NO, NO, NO, NO!!!

Proof denies faith!!!

Time to find my favorite book, to retype a quote for you...

Originally Written brilliantly by Douglas Adams

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful [as the babelfish] could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the NON-existence of God.
The argument goes like this:
`I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.

I couldn't resist...

[edit on 7-3-2010 by jephers0n]

Originally posted by 911stinks

Call me selfish, but I'm after the reward. Can you imagine the prize given by someone who can create the beauty of earth, and the complexity of man?

Ok, you're selfish. (you asked to be called as such...)



The reward IS life, imho.


I still await your answer to my question, as well...

[edit on 7-3-2010 by jephers0n]

Originally posted by jephers0n

Originally posted by 911stinks

Call me selfish, but I'm after the reward. Can you imagine the prize given by someone who can create the beauty of earth, and the complexity of man?

Ok, you're selfish. (you asked to be called as such...)

The reward IS life, imho.

Life of the soul. The body is a temporary vessel. The soul, is eternal. So yes, I agree that the reward is life, if you are speaking of the soul.

My how the soul can be tortured, or nourished. It's a choice.

Originally posted by 911stinks

Life of the soul. The body is a temporary vessel. The soul, is eternal. So yes, I agree that the reward is life, if you are speaking of the soul.

My how the soul can be tortured, or nourished. It's a choice.

Yes, it is a choice. My beliefs are clearly different from yours.

If, when I die, I am confronted by a 'God', That will be one of my questions asked. I'm confident that my good deeds in life will be noticed, and the 'God' will be pleased that I used my 'God Given' Willpower, and Intellect to find out as much about my environment as I could, and to help others.
If, when I die, nothing happens, I'll know I didn't waste away my life holding to explanations outdated centuries ago for why/how long we have been here.
Especially explanations edited by those who would seek power over others, instead of living as one. Most religions have been corrupted, so much so that their initial message and lessons are lost forever...

It's all a matter of opinion, and principle.

You can't change my mind, and I can't change yours.

Originally posted by 911stinks
But God makes us a promise. If we have faith in Him, and treat each other well, there will be a reward in the afterlife.

Furthermore, can you please prove to me that the 'word' actually came from god? If not, then this promise itself is simply a human construct, and as such, holds absolutely no weight in your argument, since, this 'word' has been rewritten so many times, and by people with heavy agendas...

This way, I know, (once again) IF, when I die, I am confronted by a 'God', He will know that my choices are my own, therefore I can be held accountable to those actions which I have CHOSEN.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by jephers0n]

Originally posted by jephers0n

Originally posted by 911stinks

Life of the soul. The body is a temporary vessel. The soul, is eternal. So yes, I agree that the reward is life, if you are speaking of the soul.

My how the soul can be tortured, or nourished. It's a choice.

Yes, it is a choice. My beliefs are clearly different from yours.

If, when I die, I am confronted by a 'God', That will be one of my questions asked. I'm confident that my good deeds in life will be noticed, and the 'God' will be pleased that I used my 'God Given' Willpower, and Intellect to find out as much about my environment as I could, and to help others.
If, when I die, nothing happens, I'll know I didn't waste away my life holding to explanations outdated centuries ago for why/how long we have been here.
Especially explanations edited by those who would seek power over others, instead of living as one. Most religions have been corrupted, so much so that their initial message and lessons are lost forever...

Fair enough. I will continue to write about my opinion, as I feel that God has given us words as a special power. The bible says many times to use words wisely. Even when you think people aren't listening.

Who can argue with that wisdom?