Top home-school texts dismiss Darwin, evolution

reply to post by Donny 4 million


They're wrong, too. I doubt that's taught in schools, though, so I don't know what you're trying to demonstrate with that wikipedia dump.

reply to post by truthquest


Common sense is so rare on these threads. Thanks for bringing yours.

its called HOME SCHOOL for a reason. As parents, you should have every right to raise your child as you see fit, as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone elses ability to do the same.

Is there a standard all home schoolers must adhere to? is it easier or harder for kids from home school to get into colleges? and lastly, do homeschoolers have to take any standardized year end testing?

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

They're wrong, too. I doubt that's taught in schools, though, so I don't know what you're trying to demonstrate with that wikipedia dump.

With all your zeal against Creationism would it not behove you to find out and report back?

reply to post by drsmooth23


Home school teachers have to abide by the same curriculum. If a kid was taught that creationism was real, then the kid would not be able to study science at university, or would at least have their chances of doing so greatly reduced, as they'd have a slim chance of even being accepted to university.

Teaching kids ignorance affects all of society, and is unfair to the children. If you don't see a problem with that, then, well, I'm shocked.

reply to post by Donny 4 million


Why? That's not what we're discussing here.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by truthquest

 

Common sense is so rare on these threads. Thanks for bringing yours.

You mean someone with the same viewpoint as you?

reply to post by davesidious
reply to post by Maslo


I have a question for both of you. Is it possible for a Government to want to teach it's citizens falsehoods in order to fulfill ulterior motives. Has this happened in history? I am curious what your opinions are.

reply to post by harvib


Of course. Just look at the Nazis. They put pure propaganda in the curriculum.

I hope you are not equating that with teaching evolution

reply to post by davesidious

Of course. Just look at the Nazis. They put pure propaganda in the curriculum.

I hope you are not equating that with teaching evolution

I just want you to understand the dangers of being a proponent of giving Government the authority to mandate the curriculum and offering no recourse for parents who wish to avoid such curriculum.

Keeping that in mind it disturbs me when I read comments like this from you:

Teaching kids ignorance affects all of society, and is unfair to the children. If you don't see a problem with that, then, well, I'm shocked.

If we just stopped parents from teaching this pap to their kids, all of this would be moot.

...and comments like this from maslo:

They can teach their child whatever they want, as long as it includes everything in the curriculum.

It is fine that you guys agree with the curriculum currently taught, however what happens if and/or when you believe the curriculum to be damaging and you have been left with no recourse?

reply to post by harvib


The parents have recourse. The parents can push for whatever curriculum they want to be taught. It just has to be based in fact, and not magic.

If the curriculum is wrong, then it should be changed. Teaching evolution is demonstrably right, so it shouldn't be changed. You won't find a single expert in the field that will argue otherwise.

Why it disturbs you that I post that kids shouldn't get mind-screwed by their ignorant parents, I will never know.

reply to post by harvib

I have a question for both of you. Is it possible for a Government to want to teach it's citizens falsehoods in order to fulfill ulterior motives. Has this happened in history? I am curious what your opinions are.

Yes, it is possible, and it has happened many times, I even know many people personally who were fed propaganda during communism.

Thats why it is very important, as I have stated many times, that curriculums are created only by scientists, with NO involvement of the government, state, religion, or other interest groups.

The states role is then to enforce that children are educated according to this independent curriculum, but I am sure you know this, compulsory education is all over the world...

reply to post by davesidious

The parents have recourse. The parents can push for whatever curriculum they want to be taught. It just has to be based in fact, and not magic.

Who should be in charge of determining what is fact and what is magic?

Let's remember that only a few hundred years ago it was a "fact" that the Earth was flat. And teaching different, even to their own children, could leave someone in dire straits.

If the curriculum is wrong, then it should be changed.

And who is currently responsible for changing it?

reply to post by Maslo

Thats why it is very important, as I have stated many times, that curriculums are created only by scientists, with NO involvement of the government, state, religion, or other interest groups.

And could this issue be used as an attempt to gain support for mandatory Government curriculum? The scientist are not in charge of determining what is in the curriculum, the Government is.

reply to post by davesidious


"Why it disturbs you that I post that kids shouldn't get mind-screwed by their ignorant parents, I will never know."



Can you back this up with some data to show exactly what a mind screw is?
This is nothing but opinionated hogwash. Better suited to a street conversation,
Or a hack and troll cubical.
You have qualification to call others ignorant? MBA

reply to post by harvib


Oh not this again!

Eratosthenes proved the world was flat over 2,000 years ago. Science never thought the world was flat, as there is no evidence for it, so it could never, ever, possibly be part of a scientific hypothesis, let alone a scientific theory.

It's easy to determine the difference between fact and magic. Science does it every day.

Who should be in charge of determining what's in a science curriculum? Scientists. That's who. Every government in the western world has scientists who figure out what is beneficial for a kid to learn in science. They take the theories that are most evidentially supported, and press for those to be taught to the kids. Thinks like gravity, Newton's laws of motion, and in this case evolution.

Who can currently change it? Anyone. They just need to get the legal momentum up to pressure the law-makers.

reply to post by Donny 4 million


Teaching kids that the world is under 6,000 years old, that all things were created as-is by God, is mind-screwing them. They are patently untrue opinions that are commonly masqueraded as fact.

It is not opinionated hogwash to point out that teaching falsehoods to kids is screwing up their minds.

I can call anyone clearly demonstrating ignorance ignorant. Anyone can. The only qualifications necessary are the ability to demonstrate it.

reply to post by davesidious

Oh not this again!

Eratosthenes proved the world was flat over 2,000 years ago. Science never thought the world was flat, as there is no evidence for it, so it could never, ever, possibly be part of a scientific hypothesis, let alone a scientific theory.

Fair enough. If that is the case then why did the general populace accept the "fact" that the world was flat?

Who should be in charge of determining what's in a science curriculum? Scientists.

However it is not the scientist that are currently in charge.

Who can currently change it? Anyone. They just need to get the legal momentum up to pressure the law-makers.

So what you are saying is only a person who has the means or ability to convince the law makers is able to influence change. Do you agree that they hold no authority to change the curriculum?

[edit on 9-3-2010 by harvib]

reply to post by harvib


They didn't. Most cultures have known for thousands of years that the Earth is round. You claimed they didn't, not I.

The government asks its scientists as to what should be in the science curriculum.

The people hold total authority over the curriculum. They have repeatedly spoken, however, that science should be left to the scientists. If they wanted differently, there is nothing stopping them from pushing for that.

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Teaching kids that the world is under 6,000 years old, that all things were created as-is by God, is mind-screwing them. They are patently untrue opinions that are commonly masqueraded as fact.

It is not opinionated hogwash to point out that teaching falsehoods to kids is screwing up their minds.

I can call anyone clearly demonstrating ignorance ignorant. Anyone can. The only qualifications necessary are the ability to demonstrate it.

First of all , how do you quantify who individually is teaching who, what?
Are you peering through windows, like a Pinkerton working for Ford? Like a voyeur?
People like that could even be subject to pedophile laws in the US just for implying "Mind Screwing of Children" like you have.
Are there laws like that where you live?
Is this your best ability to be demonstrative?

reply to post by Donny 4 million


Can you rephrase that in something approaching English, so I can at least try to understand it.

I am saying that it is cruel and damaging to teach kids patent falsehoods as fact. The kids have no say in the matter. My euphemism "mind-screw" is, apparently, confusing you.