On the Draft, Metrosexuals, and Possible American Humiliation

reply to post by dragonsmusic

Take that spotless mind of yours and keep your not so vague insinuations away from me.

Mentioning historical facts is just that.

Are you getting a little oversensitive? I didn't insinuate nothing. I think it may be your own subconscious working on you. I am not sure how mentioning historical fact is insinuating anything. Historical fact is just that, historical fact.

You act like it is my fault that metrosexuals are one teste short of being a man.

My apologies if I hurt your feelings.

[edit on 3-3-2010 by Mr Sunchine]

Hate to burst your bubble, but in the military, (I did 4 years, my father made a career out of it, some of my best friends were in for long periods of time) In basic and in most of the military service there is one hair cut style, short, very short, so that would take care of the necessity for doing hair on a regular basis, and uniforms have to be kept in excellent conditions, shoes shined, shirts pressed, pants not wrinkled, so most metrosexuals would fit in on that aspect. Extra lill things that would make them stand out, would be pretty much gotten rid of in basic. In a combat situation if you stand out, the chances of you being shot are really good, question would be from whose side would the shot come from. Cause friendly fire, ain't.

Originally posted by Mr Sunchine
reply to post by dragonsmusic

 

Take that spotless mind of yours and keep your not so vague insinuations away from me.

Mentioning historical facts is just that.

Are you getting a little oversensitive? I didn't insinuate nothing. I think it may be your own subconscious working on you. I am not sure how mentioning historical fact is insinuating anything. Historical fact is just that, historical fact.

You act like it is my fault that metrosexuals are one teste short of being a man.

My apologies if I hurt your feelings.

[edit on 3-3-2010 by Mr Sunchine]

I was the one mentioning historical facts , sunshine.
I wasn't supporting the paedophilic or the man loving tendencies of the ancients. But you implied that that's what my focus was. I was only showing you that your premise is ridiculous, but you don't or won't admit it.


Nice comment about the one teste short, very mature.

I think you demonstrate without meaning to and in your own words how meaningless this premise is.
And no you haven't hurt my feelings, sunshine

reply to post by Mr Sunchine




Many military men are very obsessed with appearence. The image they
project equates to the power they control.

You should worry less about humiliation and foster a little fear.
When I read your thread the first name that came to me was
Heinrich Himmler an obsessed effeminate looking fellow.

Your metrosexual example is stupid, but I do agree that something has changed in regards to men in the USA.

Male values and skills used to be something a boy strived to achieve. Most "men" can't Even change a tire anymore and I think thats sad. This country has turned the majority of 18-40 year olds into video game playing babies with zero manners that know nothing outside of pop trivia and Tv.

There is nothing wrong with being concerned with your appearance, the problem is when that's all you know. A man should have many hobbies and skills.

Lets not forget that some of the greatest generals in history were just as comfortable at a state dinner as they were on the battlefield.

I was a para-trooper in the Army's 10th Mountain Div (part of the XVIII Airborne Corps), the most deployed unit in the US military and a very effective fighting force. I happened to serve with many guys who fit the definition of a "metrosexual" and they were just as capable as the rest of my brothers-in arms. In fact, a guy that I knew very well who fit the definition of a metrosexual, gave his life recently in an act of heroism worthy of the highest honours, thinking of nothing else but his country, his fellow paratroopers and the mission before him. I trusted them with my life, the same as I would an eagle-scout from a ranch in Texas. Why? Because they recieved the same training; they had the same loyalty, honor, selfless service and fortitude and they were just as capable as everyone else. They may care about their looks a little too much but they did their job and they did it very well. They aren't women so their rationale and reasoning were the same as any other man. When it came to their job, they took it seriously and that is the beauty of professionalism. A professional will know how to seperate his personal life, including feelings, likes, dislikes and personal behaviours, with his work life and the mission before him, regardless of what is called for.

You also have to look at it from a practical point. Most metrosexuals are wealthy or affluent, according to your definition, so they would most likely not be drafted in the first place. It's usually the poor and people who have no strings to pull, that get drafted.

[edit on 3-3-2010 by airspoon]

[edit on 4-3-2010 by airspoon]

I'm still not entirely sure this thread isn't a joke. It is just a little too ridiculous...

I've been in the Army for seven years, mostly as an infantryman and a tanker, both being direct combat roles. I've gone to war, I've trained in garrison. I've seen everything the Army has too offer, and guess what?

We have plenty of "metrosexuals" already serving.

They don't sit around shaving each others nuts all day (and I have no idea why you think this is a common practice) and they don't decorate their rifles. They don't spend a lot of time preening their "faux-hawks" because it is not an authorized haircut. They wear the same uniform as everyone else- we don't allow "accessorizing." They train and they fight, just like every other person in the Army.

Just like the homosexual soldiers aren't hanging out in mesh t-shirts all day, blowing each other and checking out dudes in the shower. And yes there are already homosexuals serving- don't kid yourself. Everyone is a Soldier first and foremost. I could give a crap what or who my Soldiers do in their off time (as long as its legal) if they preform while they're on duty.

If someone has issues or habits in their personal life that effects the performance of their duties, they get put out of the Army. I've done it dozens of times, but not just cause some guy wants to wear a pink polo shirt and capri pants to the club on Friday night.

Now I agree with you that the American male has been feminized and its a damn shame. In a lot of cases its not even socially acceptable to act like a man anymore. But your concept of what would happen if the military drafted metrosexuals is pure lunacy.

Real; you can't expect someone to fire a riffle in combat if they are all concerned about messing up the mani.

TRUE

Hopefully when we finally have the nuts to spread freedom to paris the "men" will aspire to be manly.

True that ST, hairy chests do have a time and purpose, but we are also talking about men BG (before gap)

There is nothing wrong with a fellow owning a leopard print SNUGGIE.
What really matters is WHY he purchased that SNUGGIE...

Is the SNUGGIE even his???

serious, thats "funny"

I do disagree with the poster that said these "guys" will yelp like Prince if they are shot at. Dude, I once shaved off a whole eyebrow and that doesn't mean squat, BTW, many manly men apply lotion from time to time...

You guys suck

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Janky Red]

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Janky Red]

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Janky Red]

reply to post by Mr Sunchine


What a distasteful thread.


Why the hell does being metro/gay/straight have anything to with protecting your country. Are you metrophobic? Or homophobic?

Do you not realize that we aren't the only country that has changed? The other powers like England, Germany, Canada, France, all have populations just like ours, so if they want to "laugh at us" they can laugh at themselves while they are at it.

I'm so sick of people being so ignorant about these topics. What does it matter if I'm a manly man or not? Who the hell cares - i'm protecting my country so you should be proud of me. Maybe I laugh at men who think they are all macho.

Actually, I would think less of an army who isn't metro, because they wouldn't care a thing about themselves. They would be all ugly and gross.

Good Lord, I can't believe you would diss metrosexuals. I'm gonna assume your a homophobe too - tell me if I'm wrong..


Sheesh...

Yeah your right....we're totally doomed because we are a nation of metrosexuals.......

Seriously? This is what your concerned about? Not the crappy economy or president or congress or [insert something of value here]?

I mean, by that definition you posted, all men are metrosexuals and always have been.

This premise of this whole thread is hilarious !

And at the same time probably the most stupid thread I've come across in hanging on ATS for the last 5 yrs or so...

Then again, if you take a look at the OP's posting track record, you can hardly be surprised when he comes up with a pearler like this

Originally posted by Mr Sunchine
. . . .
Could you just imagine a bunch of metrosexuals:
1. Trying to get their uniforms to fit just right
2. Decorating their gun
3. Spending an hour each morning giving themselves the perfect FauxHawk.
4. Plucking each others eye brows
5. Shaving their own or each others personal areas
6. Refusing to march without lotioning their skin or putting a little coverup on their blemishes.
7. Refusing to wear army issued boots, well because they just don't match the rest of the outfit just right.
8. Don't realise the enemy is approaching, because they are too busy looking at themselves in the mirror.
9. Or worse, what if they just decide that camoflauge is too drab and start to load up on bright colors. Then they would be picked off like fish in a barrel.

Just think of the possible destruction that could occur to our nation. Just think of the embarrassment. Just think of the jokes the enemy could come up with if we have a military have full of fancy boys.

I am thinking we should weed this potentially destructive behavior out of our children. I just threw out my sons hair and lotion products and told him to grow a pair, before the whole nation falls because him and his little candy-assed buddies.

I suggest if you see the same behavior in any of your friends and family that you start to weed it out immediately as your very survival could be at stake. Let us hope that these metrosexuals do not become the face of our nation in the next major confrontation that we face.

If you find yourself to be a metrosexal, maybe you should really examine your behavior and its implications for our nation.

This thread is really about your son, and how much you despise him.

You are terrified that he might be a homosexual, aren't you?

Given your attitude to him, your despicably bigoted hatred, (which you vent repeatedly in your posts,) you are going to be really sorry when he does "grow a pair".
... because he's going to leave you crying on the floor.

Some people should never be parents.

i had to lol at this post.

their have been "metro" types scince the dawn of civilisation..

back in the second world war, it was the RAF's members that were accused of it.

and i bet if you go back through the histroy of societys you will find alot more.

Let people look or act how they want to look or act, it doesnt mean they cant step up when needed! (ive seen plenty metro types in fights hahaha )

stop acting like the bloody society police... really, this is another one of these overt anti gay threads that ats has been bombarded with lately, and their pretty lame dude!

youll get in in life alot better if you just let people be who they are ... the metros/gay people are probably more likely to fight for a cause than i am ... They are probably more likely to join up than me as i hate uniforms!

did you know that alot of the Samurai were gay ? It didnt stop them being remembered as the ass kickers they were!



Really, after re reading, what is the fear actualy of?? they instead of goin for a gun they run towards osama and co swinging their manbags... makeup flying everywhere?? really, get a grip LOL

[edit on 4-3-2010 by boaby_phet]

reply to post by Mr Sunchine


That is one of the worst posts I've read on here in a while.

Basically, you're assuming a stereotype and then polarising it to the point of absurdity and then dropping it into a real world context which of course makes it look ridiculous.

Why would you "assume" metrosexual individuals would be grooming themselves while in a war? What sort of nonsense is that?? As someone said, women are commonly known for their grooming habits, but play just an equal part in wartime situations that men do - and they don't "groom" themselves during combat.

You obviously have something against metrosexual people and their lifestyle choices which, for whatever reason, bothers you. And you've concocted this ridiculous scenario as means to justify your discomfort with them.

I'd rather fight along side any person of any sexual or lifestyle choice than some self conscious, whinging fool like yourself.


[edit on 4-3-2010 by noonebutme]

Originally posted by Mr Sunchine
reply to post by dragonsmusic

 

Oh well you reminded me of it. Last time I checked women were for pleasure and little boys were for paedophiles.

[edit on 3-3-2010 by Mr Sunchine]

Maybe i don't have a sense of humour, but this sentence in particular is disgusting, in no matter what context can you say that "women were for pleasure and little boys were for paedophiles." Along with several other of your posts which are just plain inappropriate. It seems like you seem to have more of a hate towards people who don't portray themselves in your eyes as 'manly' yet who are you to judge the inner morals and outer strength in others, just because they might use more hair product then you? You also come across sexist in some posts, and that's just not freakin on. I've actually reported you because i feel really strongly about this. Metrosexuals are a class of people just like any other, and just because it might be new, or not what you are used to, doesn't mean you can hate on it. Just like its not appropriate to hate gays, lesbians or other ethnicities on an open forum with rules.


Half the reason I've stopped visiting ATS as frequently nowdays is because of posts like this.

Edited to add: quote me and tear me apart as you wish, im not re-visiting this topic, but i felt too strongly to just let your comments slide by.

[edit on 4/3/2010 by bkaust]

A plus side to this is that fanny packs and man purses probably hold a lot of ammo. I'm sure there is room for their make-up and pads in there as well, maybe even some midol.

This is not going to be a popular view, or at least it might not be, but I will say it nevertheless. Much of American culture (probably western in general) has unfolded like a virus. It is as if language is more evolved than most humans. Many westerners are on a leash being led by a reptile rather than the other way around, so to speak. Memetics have gained unprecedented power in our world of selfish, deceptive mass marketing and power-seeking through ideology. Many have no awareness of the whole. As such, they are slaves of the age.

This is the part that might piss some off, but so be it. I agree with the aspect of feminism that sought a deeper respect of the perspective of women. Too many, both men and women, were oblivious. However, in the old order, men were forced to sacrifice their very selves in order to maintain and evolve the interconnected machinery of society. Women nurtured, imprinted the young with culture, and simply were allowed to be. Not in terms of physical freedom, of course, but in terms of psychology. They could express themselves as they saw fit, as that was womanly. Men had a monopoly on logical control. Women had somewhat of a monopoly on emotional influence. Now that women are in all avenues of active power alongside men, the men no longer want to sacrifice their essential natures. After all, if women are permitted to have it all, then men start wanting it to. Because if an androgynous woman is still craving an opposite, then that leaves a zero for a man to be (if he is so foolish). Before, men were permitted half while women were permitted the other half. All this being said, a society of confusion has evolved, and much soul searching must be done in order for the culture to be at peace again. Their is a cult of viral, narcisstic pride sweeping the nation. It is growing exponentially in a certain segment. I do not focus on that segment, as I value a mind. I do not want to be some self-replicating virus. I am not saying return to the way things were, but to seek an agreeable balance yet again. Peace.

Edit: Some are well adjusted to the modern way. Some are not. I, personally, do not like to put individuals in a box. However, I think maybe more should focus on development in general rather than subscribing to the hive. The world has rejected foolish ideologies only to place other foolish ones in their places.

[edit on 4-3-2010 by orwellianunenlightenment]

reply to post by Janky Red


Well Janky I have to agree with you here. There is nothing wrong with shaving off ONE eyebrow. Something like that doesn't make you a fancy boy nearly as much as it makes you look like you are loosing your mind. What is more intimidating then a crazy man with a gun?

reply to post by orwellianunenlightenment

After all, if women are permitted to have it all, then men start wanting it to. Because if an androgynous woman is still craving an opposite, then that leaves a zero for a man to be (if he is so foolish). Before, men were permitted half while women were permitted the other half. All this being said, a society of confusion has evolved, and much soul searching must be done in order for the culture to be at peace again. Their is a cult of viral, narcisstic pride sweeping the nation. It is growing exponentially in a certain segment. I do not focus on that segment, as I value a mind. I do not want to be some self-replicating virus. I am not saying return to the way things were, but to seek an agreeable balance yet again. Peace.

This is a great analysis of the changes in modern society. I think you might have figured out the whole metrosexual movement and who is at fault. It is the feminists who should be blamed. They threw a hissy fit until we let them be men and now men don't want a world of all men so now they are adapting to become the women. You are brilliant, my man! Gave you a star and would give you more if I could.

Originally posted by Jibblin
reply to post by Mr Sunchine

 

What a distasteful thread.


Why the hell does being metro/gay/straight have anything to with protecting your country. Are you metrophobic? Or homophobic?

Actually, your posting is off also...metrosexual is not a sexual preference...actually most of the "metrosexuals" I know are very much straight and primp themselves to attract females (alot of females). Not saying that there aren't plenty of gay metros also (they look fabulous ).


OPs....keeping your hair perfect is put in the back when bullets start flying...unless the enemy is also some smoking hot darling in a bathing suit holding a ak...then the person may become confused. Having that oh so perfect look is what you strive for when your going out for a social or going to work, not when your preparing to jump in ditches to keep yourself alive...if someone is under fire and worried about getting dirt under their fingernails...the guy is insane.