a revolutionary party

reply to post by gwydionblack

Would you like me to U2U you some sources? I have about a dozen topics under my belt that I posted in or created myself where the same people came (only after I posted) and targeted yours truly. As much as I don't feel like putting up the effort I gladly will, however, I don't even think THAT would appease you.

When you post in certain topics, you are going to get the same individuals. It's a big site, but not so big that you won't find the same people debating the same topics.

Yeah. Progress. So and so of the Constitutionalist party got .4% of the overall vote this past year, this is up from the .3% last year. Looks like change is on the horizon folks! Instant gratification eat your heart out.

People are altogether tired of politics as usual, they do want real change, that change is going to come slowly, I know it sucks, but it's the way the country works, but it will happen.

And I said it was unconstitutional, based on the fact that they unconstitutionally removed the original 13th amendment. The "Constitution" you support was created by unconstitutional means. Talk about hipocracy.

The Constitution was created by Unconstitutional means? WTF? You did read that before you posted right? In what universe does that make any sense?

And here we go again with the whole slavery issue. Listen my friend, slavery is not coming back, people really don't want to own slaves. We know you are a proponent of this, and want to replace the 13th Amendment with some made up BS, but the truth is, this is a free country, and we really are over the slave thing. The south will not rise again, much to your dismay, you should really get on with something people can support.

No, they weren't. The current voting system no longer follows the laws of a Republic system of voting.

It does follow our constitution, it really does, sorry, I know you hate our constitution and want to change it to suit your whims, but our legislative and executive branch do follow constitutional law as far as how they are elected.

Well my good friend, the same Constitution and Declaration of Independence that protects their rights to be elected, also protects my rights to revolt.

Your right to revolt is not guaranteed in the constitution. Many people think that the Declaration of Independence gives them a right to overthrow the government, but it really doesn't. You are simply not that oppressed. By what you have posted here on this forum, I would hope that others would see that your revolution for freedom means more oppression for others. which is not what this country is about.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about here.

I see, ok, let me spell it out for you, the supreme court is charged with making sure that laws meet the standards under the constitution, they are there to make sure that, you know, for argument sake, we don't arbitrarily throw out the 13th Amendment which outlaws slavery, for some bull [snip] made up Amendment which allows even more slavery.

No, but I do want to actually enforce slander and libel laws on a public stage.

Whatever suits your purposes right? Screw freedom of speech, if you don't like it, it must be slander.

Seriously... where do you pull this bull-snip- from?!

Your posts, where else?

No we CAN'T call this the martial law phase of my plan, because there IS NO martial law phase. If anyone wants their voice to be head, unlike today, all they have to do is speak up.

Unless it's deemed by you to be slander, then what? The gas chamber? Or a bullet in their head? Or how bout a public Stoning!

This is hilarious. You apparently consider yourself to be God, because you are able to create things from nothing - pretty much everything you said. First of all, you claim time and time again that people won't join in the revolution - yet somehow I'm going to have "shock troops" to round up "undesireables" and insurgents.

Hey, crazier things have happened, a German artist somehow managed to convince an entire country that rounding up Jews and Gypsies then gassing them was a good idea.

So you are telling me, you are assuming, that after the overthrow of the government - the people who decided to sit their lazy asses at home are suddenly going to gain the will and desire to surge against the resistance? Please. After all this government has done to the people, if they aren't ready to surge then and there, they sure as hell aren't going to rebel against those who have done nothing to them. Where is the logic? Apparently the door to your brain only swings outward and not in.

Humans and Logic aren't mutual, as I said, crazier things have happened.

You are an idiot. NOTE TO MODS: If you want to take this as a personal attack, then perhaps you can note the several flagged posts I have made about personal attacks on me. K, thanks.

Don't worry about it, I am a big boy, the mods know I can take care of myself. I have been called far worse.

Just because I call you out on what you really want, doesn't mean I am an idiot, it just means that I can see through your game.

You're 21 right? That means I have 13 years on you to see charlatans and con artists for what they are. You want to play your game and that is fine, don't expect me to just sit silently while you try and dupe people into your cause. We have seen that you don't like the 1st Amendment, we know you don't like the 13th Amendment, you want to replace the Supreme Court with your own special task force, fact is, through your posts, it seems that you don't like much about America, don't like much about the Constitution, and just want your civil war so that you can kill innocent people.

Just don't expect the rest of us to pat you on the back.

Ahhh... another one of these threads.

If we could organize to any reasonable scale it would be doble. But there is the rub. People have been systematically polarized to prevent that from happening. But if we could...

Given that no system is or can be perfect ours is by and large pretty good. The problem is that it has been allowed to become corrupt. Politicians have ceased to do the 'people's business' and have been doing the business of the large corporate entities. That would be the pace to start. Roll back the corruption.

I suggest I-AIM :: The Indepents and Anti-Incumbency Movement.

Supporters pledge:

1. To change their local political enrollment to 'Independent (aka un-enrolled). If not registered to vote, to register as an Independent.

2. To vote in EVERY election from local to national without fail.

3. To vote AGAINST EVERY incumbent without exception in every election.

Imagine if next week millions of people went to their town clerk's office and changed their political affiliation to 'Independent'? It is easy to do, costs nothing and would cause a HUGE ruckus once the MSM caught-on. Remember the big Scott Brown / Mass. hysteria? The big 'sea change' caused by independent voters? It was major internationla news. That would be nothing in comparison.

Then as we vote out every incumbent it will make it nearly impossible for special interests to set thei claws into the newly elected. They won't be around long enough. Once they 'get it' we will be able to get back our country and get it back to the principles on which it was founded.

Violent revolution or civil war will accomplish nothing but further errosion of our rights and quality of life. Politicians and big business fear loss of power far more than violence. They can't control the former.


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reply to post by jtma508


Ya know what? I kinda like this idea! Non violent, constitutional, legal, and I think it really could work.

Good post! Star for you!

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

I respond to you because you are a dangerous individual willing to kill American citizens for your own ideology (read: Terrorist).

ter·ror·ist
–noun
1.
a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2.
a person who terrorizes or frightens others.


free·dom figh·ter
–noun
1. a fighter for freedom, esp. a person who battles against established forces of tyranny and dictatorship.


in·sur·gent
–noun
1.
a person who rises in forcible opposition to lawful authority, esp. a person who engages in armed resistance to a government or to the execution of its laws; rebel.
2.
a member of a section of a political party that revolts against the methods or policies of the party.

I could say that I am a freedom fighter or an insurgent, however, I don't really fit the bill of terrorist. Maybe by the definition of the FBI's little handbook, but in reality, not even close. I don't advocate terrorism and don't spread my ideologies through the use of terror, or fear.

There are so many things wrong with what you say...it is getting tiring to point them out.

Just as it is getting tiring pointing out when you are wrong about them, but go ahead. Let's see what else you have to say considering you are one of the 4-5 I've mentioned.

What would this solve in your opinion? And if it was so important...why didn't the god-like founding fathers address this???

Because the Constitution is meant to evolve and to be added to through use of Constitutionally approved Amendments. It was something that was unforeseen as leading to corruption, however it inevitably did. Just as slavery at the time was not seen at the time to be a demonizing thing, thankfully the Constitution was given an amendment to destroy that.

The Founding Fathers weren't seers and they didn't know the future. The only thing they could do is provide the foundations so that others would be able to maintain the structure they have built, all the while evolving with the times.

Just because the majority of the public votes either R or D doesn't mean the government isn't working...it just means that the public has decided to run with the two party system.

Touche'. This is true. But you must remember that it was the governments who have shoved the 2-party system down the throat of the public. Now there are laws and regulations in place so that it is near impossible for a 3rd party to gain any ground.

I'm not saying the system never worked, it did, it worked grand and good. However, it was the way the system was handled that allowed for corruption to takeover in its very core. It was through the corrupt system that politicians were able to past legislation that basically guaranteed that their ideas and no others remained the core of the governing body - even if they were against the Constitution. Thus is the extent of the corruption and the inability to remove it without removing the legislation that keeps it there.

I agree...you want to silence the media...very "freedom of press" of you. You said you want to STOP a media outlet from PROMOTING a candidate. Slander and libel laws don't apply to SUPPORTING someone. What you want to do is shut them up and take away their free speech. So there is another group who loses this universal "freedom" you speak of.

Perhaps I should reword this to give a better understanding of my view point. Freedom of press is one thing. Owning an oligarchical monopoly on all the media sources and using them all to enforce a certain opinion is another. That is called indoctrination. Though people should be able to see this for themselves, sadly, they do not. I'm sure you are no stranger to the trouble caused by the mass media machine so I'm sure you understand where I am coming from. However, you would choose to defend them just for the sake of argument. I understand.

It is a problem, and that is why I PROPOSE solutions. Corporations are not people. People are people and are guaranteed their rights. In the end, they decide what happens and what does not. Not I, not the corporations.

Illegal Immigrants- CHECK...no freedom for you

They have the freedom to become legal citizens and thus be recognized under our government. Therefore, they have ever right that you or I have.

Lawyers - CHECK...no freedom for you

I don't side with "lawyers" not being able to run for office. Never did I say I did. I side against positions of nobility or status that places you above another man. Why? Because you are above no other man. All men are equal and deserve no more rights than any other man. All men have the opportunity to work and fend for themselves, no man has the opportunity to be given a title and be declared better than another.

Media - CHECK...no freedom for you

I already explained this thoroughly.

So what happens when you have your little fantasy revolution...and the AMERICAN CITIZENS vote in the same people...BECAUSE THAT IS WHO THEY ALREADY VOTED IN???????

Then so be it. However, there is certainly going to be a larger card then just those goons who big brother has decided to let us pick from. In fact, under Constitutional law with all the fluff taken out of it, I'm sure most of the goons already there won't even want to return to office, much less would the people want to vote them back in.

This is always a possibility, but one can not just assume something like that would happen, especially in a situation with so many variables.

So you can't take some criticism on a message board without crying to the mods...but you are planning a revolution

By accepting the T&C of these forums, I accepted following the rules and regulations presented to me. If ATS were as corrupt as the government I revolt against, people like you and whatukno would be running things behind the scenes and I'm sure posts like mine would be deleted in a heartbeat. Thankfully, ATS isn't quite that corrupt and I don't remember signing a Terms and Conditions agreement when I was born in the USA.

I do however remember making an oath to myself and the Constitution, to defend it from enemies both foreign and domestic, and I plan to uphold that personal oath until my dying day.

But a dictator...sure...I can see that. Because YOU are taking it upon YOURSELF to do what YOU view is right. Who asked YOU to do this?

The out crying call from all the people asked me to do this. No, they did not choose me specifically but I hear time and time again how people would stand up for themselves and take back their rights... "if only they had a leader"... "if only they had someone to rally behind".

I don't see anybody else standing up. As far as I can tell, I'm the only person on here that is pushing so strongly for what I believe. Many agree with my ideals. Some do not. But if there is someone that feels that they will continue the fight in my stead, the by God I'll step down in a heart beat. To date I haven't found anyone willing to do that. The only thing I have found is people willing to denounce it, trample upon it, and spat on the name of freedom as some kind of ludicrous or pipe dream of an idea. Until someone comes around that sees it like I see it, within reach and most definitely attainable, then I'm here to stay until my dying day.





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reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Murderer? Well you are calling for a violent revolution and have said death and bloodshed will be necessary...of AMERICAN CITIZENS...so yes...you are a potential murderer if you follow through on your plans.

Last I looked you are not a murderer until you have commited murder, and I have done nothing of the sort. "Potential murderer" sounds like some draconian law the current administration would get me for, because I have the POTENTIAL to kill somebody.

No sir, I believe murder in self defense is not called murder at all, but is called "justifiable homicide". In my mind, killing is not justified by anything and I am prepared to face my maker for that if it comes to it, however, that is the crude thinking of the government you choose to defend.

BTW...who are the targets of this "revolution"? Government officials? Government employees? Staffers? Guards? All of the aboves families? Those that speak out against you? Or is it like you said before...you are going to attack a "symbol"??? HINT: V for Vendetta is a movie...not real life.

As I said I am no terrorist. I am not going to ATTACK anything. As far as who I am "targeting" as I have said before, you want me divulge this over the internet?

As for your movie comment, Symbols have been destroyed throughout history with no bloodshed and it has garnered unity and support for a cause. The Berlin Wall coming down marked the beginning of a new era, with a change in a mindset for all those affected. The falling of the statue of Saddam Hussein in Iraq left the people against his reign united and fighting stronger than ever.

If say, for example, the Statue of Liberty was destroyed and nobody was hurt, do you think American's would just shrug it off? Do you think it would just go down in history as nothing of note?

It's not sad...it is GREAT. The majority will rise up against you when innocent American citizens start being killed by your fanatical ideology.

You almost had me thinking you were going to keep this rational but I see you've been drinking from the same glass as whatukno, in the belief that I want to kill random innocent people. As I said before, if Americans are going to choose NOT to rise up against tyranny and a government that has failed them, why in God's name would they suddenly decide to rise up against a new one that promises greater freedoms and prosperity then ever before?

Trust me, I'm sure to MOST people - freedom, liberty, and prosperity does NOT translate to Dictatorship, mass killings, and slavery as it seems to do for a select few here on ATS.

Stop being so naive. Muskets vs Muskets is different than hand guns, hunting rifles, and the few illegal heavy arms your "group" may have VS stealth bombers and bunker buster bombs.

There are an average of 84 people per square mile living in the United States. If the government so chose to dispose of insurgents via "stealth bombers" and "bunker buster bombs" then they better hope that every single revolutionary has made their 'secret hideout' in the middle of nowhere or else they be killing plenty of innocents more than we were.

Of course, our government has already proved that it is not afraid to kill innocent people to get to their targets (ie. Iraq and Afghanistan) so I wouldn't put it past them. I'm sure as your home is being bombed by bombers to take out a few insurgents, you are still going to blame us right? Thus the backwards thinking of people in this day and age.

If the government would decide to "unleash their arsenal" upon us, and risk the lives of those not involved, they would only foster our ranks even more because they will have proven their incompetence and uncaring nature towards the common man.

And we have seen how great our military does against guerrilla warfare. We swooped right into Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam with no trouble whatsoever right? How many of those wars did we win so far or are STILL fighting in 7 years later? Hmmm....

And the revolutionaries didn't win the war by themselves...Spain declared war on England...and the American Revolutionaries had the backing of the French...who is going to back you...China? Russia?

The reason they needed help is because they were indeed a vast minority. When you set the tables as People vs Government, you realize that the people are in the vast majority and thus... we don't need anybodies help. Not only that, but it is irrational to believe that all the members of the armed service would suddenly side with the government slaying of American people. No, pretty sure that would be split as well especially from all the talk in the military I hear from my friends and their fellow soldiers. The military men are just as pissed off as I am, and they are people first, soldiers second.

They do listen to the populace...every 2 or 4 years.

They listen to what we stamp on a piece of paper. However, when it comes to issues and representing us, I can only think of a handful that have succeeding in representing the actual WILL of the people they represent.

You are going to fight because you are an ideolouge and think your way is the best way. Dictator, Terrorists, Fanatic...call it what you want...one thing for sure is that it is not DEMOCRATIC.

Obviously not. I've never heard of a Democratic revolution. You make it sound like if enough people petition Washington to give up their federal powers, they would just up and do it. Revolution isn't pretty and it isn't nice. It is the product of revolution that are those things.

It is a means to an end, and in our case, the only means left.

Here is the bottom line...you can't even seem to get a majority backing your ideas on a site like ATS...good luck with the general public.

I'm here for discussion, not political backing. For your information, I have had more people support my views on ATS that I have had against them. They are not as outspoken as the select few who choose to follow me, (ahem) so obviously it might seem to you that I have less support than would seem. Obviously you are going to want your side to win however in sheer numbers, that simply isn't that case.

But I digress, this isn't a popularity contest. I've come here to express my views and plant a seed into the minds of people so that it may grow and they might think for themselves.

I can't fathom how many times I have been told that peaceful change is the way to go, and yet people continue to spew out the same old ideas that have been in effect for the past 200 years, and they are unable to provide me any examples where they have accomplished ANYTHING WHATSOEVER!

People will call me an extremist and that is fine, because I am. Anyone who things out of the general grain of the populace is an extremist in today's culture. Perhaps 100 years ago this would not have been the case, for at least in this country people had privacy and they had their rights and freedoms.

There isn't a single soul who doesn't like the idea of freedom and liberty, and if you do, it is only because you desire power of others. People simply dislike my realist way of looking at the situation, rather they would choose to continue living their pipe dream of nonexistent change.

...that will only increase as you get more fanatical.

I haven't changed. Not since I arrived here. I am the same person I was 3 years ago and I hold the same beliefs now as I did then.




You all wish to degrade my ideas and spat upon my actions - yet what can you offer? What have you done of substance that has conjured a change?

Nothing. None of you who oppose have room to speak, because unlike me, you have done - NOTHING. And you will continue to do nothing. Even in your attempts you will accomplish nothing.

reply to post by whatukno

The Constitution was created by Unconstitutional means? WTF? You did read that before you posted right? In what universe does that make any sense?

Yes I read it. The Constitution, without the original 13th Amendment, is not the Constitution. It was removed UNCONSTITUTIONALLY. Therefore the Constitution you read that does not include that amendment, is quite literally - unconstitutional.

The south will not rise again

I live in Pennsylvania. One of my best family friends is African American. Never have I said to REPLACE THE DAMN AMENDMENT!

Your right to revolt is not guaranteed in the constitution. Many people think that the Declaration of Independence gives them a right to overthrow the government, but it really doesn't. You are simply not that oppressed. By what you have posted here on this forum, I would hope that others would see that your revolution for freedom means more oppression for others. which is not what this country is about.

It is through the quotes of the men who signed the Constitution in which the affirm that the second amendment is indeed for the service of overthrowing a tyrannical government. Read up.

Your opinion of the Declaration of Independence, does not change what it ways or the relevance of the document, which still holds true today. All of the grievances within and THEN SOME have been committed by our current government.

the supreme court is charged with making sure that laws meet the standards under the constitution

The justices are chosen not by the people. Obviously, they have not done a good job of preventing unconstitutional laws from passing or we wouldn't have such atrocities as the Patriot Act.





reply to post by jtma508


Yes, more sunshine and daisies. I bet everyone is going to jump right on. I'm sure THIS has NEVER been tried before.

Don't worry, this plan, unlike all the other in history that have called upon the people to take a stand, will work.

People are going to jump up and give a damn because of "I-AIM".



I'll see you in November when Republicans and Democrats are still in control of Washington. In fact, I am thinking November is when a lot of people are going to be eating their words and their faith in the people.

reply to post by gwydionblack

The falling of the statue of Saddam Hussein in Iraq left the people against his reign united and fighting stronger than ever.

You just lost all credibility with that one. United?


www.washingtontimes.com...

I think that if people are actually wiling to act and not talk then a revolution may be a good thing but there would have to be a lot of people on your side that are willing to lose everything and wont run with their tail between their legs when things get rough

reply to post by whaaa


Yes, let us focus on one word of my sentence and ignore the the rest.

Common practice. We now have 3 of my 5 biggest foes in this topic. Where are the last two? C'mon guys - let's make this a party like every other topic.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
reply to post by whaaa

 

Common practice. We now have 3 of my 5 biggest foes in this topic. Where are the last two? C'mon guys - let's make this a party like every other topic.

I'm not your foe! Critical yes. You have no trouble criticizing others. Quit being such a crybaby!

and when you foe someone it just proves what a thinskined, overly sensitive kid you are. If you can't run with the big dogs; stay on the porch.

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Originally posted by gwydionblack
reply to [reply to post by jtma508

Yes, more sunshine and daisies. I bet everyone is going to jump right on. I'm sure THIS has NEVER been tried before.

Don't worry, this plan, unlike all the other in history that have called upon the people to take a stand, will work.

People are going to jump up and give a damn because of "I-AIM".

I'll see you in November when Republicans and Democrats are still in control of Washington. In fact, I am thinking November is when a lot of people are going to be eating their words and their faith in the people.

Maybe so. But if people can't even get their collective sh*t together to do something with zero downside, then any talk of revolution or civil war is lunatic babble. Cause they sure aren't going to organize or stand-up for that.