a revolutionary party

for people that are fed up with our current government should there not be a group of people (similar to our founding father) start an organzation to lead a revolution? would a group like the sons of liberty be nice to make sure a rebellion could sweep across this great country?

Do you really think our government is that messed up?

Let's see, right now our government is made up of our relatives and after a revolution our government would be made up of our relatives.

Seems we might just end up with the same problems.

I personally am sick of our government and just about everything they do. I have thought about a revolution but after the revolution then what? I have a feeling that if there where a revolution then someone would try to take power like a dictator or we would end up with the same or different problems maybe worse than the ones we have now. I do think that something needs to change but it isn't bad enough for a revolution. At least not yet it isn't

Originally posted by jam321
Do you really think our government is that messed up?

Absolutely.

However instead of a group specifically geared towards revolution, I think it should be geared towards squeezing the old government out.

I was thinking along the lines of the constitutionalists party however. Bring us back to the basics of our country.

reply to post by oppaperclip

Bring us back to the basics of our country.

I can buy that.

What I have trouble understanding: Just about every one of us have a relative who works for the government. Why is it that we can't lean on our relatives to start doing what is right for America?

Shun them, embarrass them, or just point blank intimidate them.

Why is it that we Americans can't boycott the companies that are doing harm to America?

Why is it that we can't demand the end of political parties?

IMO, we don't need a revolution. We have the power but refuse to use.

Do you think companies would send our jobs overseas if they were convinced that we would quit buying their product?

Divided and conquered we are, at least it seems.

Personally I prefer an:

Evolutionary Party

Huge changes (AKA revolutions) rarely work because unforeseen consequences pop up and the most ruthless end up on top. Consider the French, Russian and Chinese revolutions.

The so called American Revolution was more Evolutionary in nature in that it started with Magna Carta and grew the benefits from the original which gave rights to the English nobles and evolved that concept to the land owning white American male. Then the much maligned U.S. Supreme Court and Congress extended the privileges to all white males then all races of males then even to females. An evolutionary process.

Do not throw the baby out with the bath water. Keep what we have and move it forward. Grow America into the world you want.

Do not throw the dice and hope to get a better deal. [Mixed metaphor]

reply to post by jam321


It seems to me that they gub ment has us chasing our tails for a private banks fiat currency.

Then it seems others know what's wrong but are so afraid of the government or of the "terrorists" that they are frozen to inaction.

That's why I feel a populist movement/party could wake people up.

However unlike the tea parties anyone with a previous affiliation would not be able to rise to the top.

reply to post by oppaperclip


You make good points.

I still say it will fall in the 1/3 theory. A1/3 will side with the popular movement, 1/3 will sit on the sideline, and 1/3 will side with the government.

Nonetheless, if people don't make suggestions, we will never discover the best route.

Continue suggesting my friend. Hopefully, we can find the right medicine.

reply to post by jam321


Well I hope we can. And the more peaceful the better.

reply to post by hill 10


Some violent revolution to overthrow constitutionally elected representitives will not solve the current crises and disconnect we have with DC. Ultimately, as Jam stated so clearly, we will end up with the issues of the very representitives we replaced with.

While we can argue our politicians have not being representing our interests there are a number of factors you must understand:

That we have politicians representing a diverse constituency. Conservatives will argue that liberal politicians are not representing the people when those liberal politicians were voted to do exactly that in their states by their constituents. Liberals will be outraged that conservative politicians vote against supporting the unemployed, the poor, when those conservative politicians are merely representing their conservative state constituents.

Right now we see a battle of differences and this is being exploited by the senators themselves who do not really care much for ideology but rather what keeps them in office, what keeps those lobbyists coming.

So the people themselves are not holding DC accountable and are not coming to terms with the reality of differences in views around the nation. This isnt just about 'corrupt politicians' as the issue goes far more wider than that. Its also about the voters holding their representitives accountable, and turning off the talking heads that tell them not to.



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reply to post by hill 10


Good idea, I was just thinking tonight that we may need a way to identify each other, right now nobody talks to anybody but people would get together more if they knew people around them were thinking the same thing.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Some violent revolution to overthrow constitutionally elected representitives will not solve the current crises and disconnect we have with DC.

The elected representitives are just pawns in the system. You can change the politicians all you want but it isnt going to change anything much. The whole system has to be brought down :p

also you would have to deal with the real people in power in our country...does anyone think the rockerfellers and the other people behind the scene would give up their power?...they are the hole reason our country is so screwed up...so if e revolution ever was started they would have to be taken care of first before anything else could happen

sorry but i'm for a civil war. its pass time to level the playing field so to speak.

i can't think of anything we need more. this country needs to be split up and all power needs to come back down to the local level. the only FED we need is the military everything else needs to be handled by locals.

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sorry but i'm for a civil war. its pass time to level the playing field so to speak.

Again with this? What is with some people on this site and wishing to blow people away? Do you honestly think civil war is cool, or fun, or some game?

Do you think that you will topple TPTB by blowing away your fellow citizens? What exactly is that supposed to accomplish? You think taking down the U.S. Government is so damn easy, what, do you think it's going to be a weekend thing? Or do you want a long protracted civil war sure to devastate the economy, ruin lives, kill thousands or perhaps millions, all for freedoms you think you lost?

Course the funny thing is, not a single one of you armchair revolutionaries ever want to just do it, you just all sit comfortably behind your computer screens and hope that someone else picks up their gun and goes on the killing spree.

This is why your revolution will never get off the ground. It's because you are waiting for someone else to do the dirty work for you.

So for some reason you think that the people that have all the wealth are just gonna hang around the US while you start murdering people in the streets in some violent bloodthirsty civil war? Hell no, they are going to take off to Europe or their island house while still maintaining control.

Originally posted by hill 10
for people that are fed up with our current government should there not be a group of people (similar to our founding father) start an organzation to lead a revolution? would a group like the sons of liberty be nice to make sure a rebellion could sweep across this great country?

sadly it is already there and just holding the breath and hoping the first shot is not fired... because when it is...all hell is gonna break loose...

Again with this? ---- YES again because some people don't learn from history.


What is with some people on this site and wishing to blow people away? --- it has nothing to do with wishing.

Do you honestly think civil war is cool, or fun, or some game? ---- it is not a game or cool, it could be fun but the fact is if our forefathers never fought back then you wouldn't be here.

Do you think that you will topple TPTB by blowing away your fellow citizens? --- no i do not believe that.

You think taking down the U.S. Government is so damn easy, what, do you think it's going to be a weekend thing? -- no i suspect it to last about 5 to 10 years to hunt down every last person that has held some kind of government office that through there own paper work left behind will have to pay for what they have done.

Or do you want a long protracted civil war sure to devastate the economy, ruin lives, kill thousands or perhaps millions, all for freedoms you think you lost? ----- devastate the economy? so your saying its not been flushed already? the dollar is worthless, to have a dollar means you owe money.

you say ruin lives??? go take a walk and look around, we have millions of people already ruined.

you say kill thousands or perhaps millions? take a good long look at the actions our so called government has been doing. everything they do from cops to judges to enlisted men happens at the end of the barrel of a gun.

all for freedoms you think you lost? ---- you bet, i've already had to deal with the government or a few fronts all NON-criminal and its a JOKE.

you think i'm sitting idle, you think i'm an armchair warrior? as far as myself i'm already at war and been at it since 04. i will not say what i've done but sitting idle is so far from the truth its laffable. the only reason i'm here talking is that i've completed my task.

on the bright side of things they can kill me or lock me away right now but there's no stopping whats coming. 5 full years of setup and pulling the right strings. i admit fully the more the government goes the wrong direction the better my plan works. there is only 1 way out and we all know they will not do it. so be ready to either fight or hide, which ever your best at.

reply to post by hill 10


To have a proper revolution you need a plan and leaders. I don't see anyone steping forward with their 30.06 in hand saying "follow me patriots; let's kill the gubbmint; first let's start with the park rangers and then the guys at the FAA"



Just who in the gubment are you going to revolt against? How will you identify the enemy?

As long as there is beer and NASCAR, NFL, NHL, WWF, and porn, there will be no revolution; just a bunch of crybabies that listen to rush, sean, savage, that get all worked up, rant on some websites and then go back to their dreary little lives and feel sorry for themselves.

Man it up for Christ sakes!!







[edit on 3-3-2010 by whaaa]

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by hill 10

 

As long as there is beer and NASCAR, NFL, NHL, WWF, and porn, there will be no revolution.

[edit on 3-3-2010 by whaaa]

Good quote! Those things were created and perpetuated to dumb down the American public and keep them this way. I just watched an interesting documentary on the ATS video section called Stupidity and it outlined the details of this.

But seriously if you guys want a real revolution, get behind an idea that will replace the government. A revolution alone will not bring about any change unless there is something that comes from it.

Luckily there are already people focused on bringing about this change, socially and logically. Check out the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement.

This March 13th will be Z-day, or the day the world joins together to learn more about the movement and to gather ideas on how to bring about this change.

zday2010.org

reply to post by Pewbert

YES again because some people don't learn from history.

Some of us have, and some of us know that this is a kind of government that can be changed and be fixed. But some people it seems would rather just start killing than doing the hard work of fixing what is wrong with this government.

it has nothing to do with wishing.

Ok, whatever...

it is not a game or cool, it could be fun but the fact is if our forefathers never fought back then you wouldn't be here.

The fact is, they had a real reason to revolt, you don't except you don't like how the government is being run. But instead of doing the hard work it would take to fix it, you would rather just start killing Americans.

no i suspect it to last about 5 to 10 years to hunt down every last person that has held some kind of government office that through there own paper work left behind will have to pay for what they have done.

Oh that's good, you want revenge, revenge for something that you yourself are partially responsible for. If you seriously want to change this government, run for office, get elected, and be an honest politician. Instead what do you want to do? Hunt down every person that has held office? What is that supposed to solve or prove?

devastate the economy? so your saying its not been flushed already? the dollar is worthless, to have a dollar means you owe money.

So your angry at the FED, a private company and not the Federal Government. But instead of helping elect real people who would have the balls to fix what is broken in our government, and rid us of a private bank that lends us our currency, you want to destroy the infrastructure that could be used to repair our economy.

you say ruin lives??? go take a walk and look around, we have millions of people already ruined.

Yes but they haven't been forced into your civil war, they aren't for the most part loosing loved ones because of a few disgruntled little cyber jihadists who have the exact same goal as Al Qaeda.

Yes, I think I understand you perfectly, I think you have gotten some raw deals in the past (probably by your own doing) you are angry, want someone to blame instead of yourself, so you want to focus on the government because you think it's an easy target.

Frankly it should bother people on here more that these armchair revolutionaries have the exact same goal as terrorists in the middle east. From what I keep reading on here when you people start blathering on about the freedoms that you think you have lost is that you want to destroy this government. You somehow think that you can run it better than they can, but instead of doing anything constructive about it, you want to destroy this country, eliminate our freedoms completely and throw away something that you are in fact way too lazy to fix.

Most likely you have had zero combat experience, you don't know what war is like, you certainly don't know what a civil war is like. You seem to think that this is some fun party, that everyone in the United States would be behind you, but reality is, if you start this stupidity and start shooting people up, the only real thing that will happen is that you will be a story on the 6 o clock news. Either you will be thrown in jail or shot to death.

You have to remember that if you start your sad pathetic little civil war against this country, every police officer and military person has sworn an oath to fight against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Yes you would be a domestic enemy. And in my opinion rightfully so, because you revolutionaries have the exact same goal as Al Qaeda, you are nothing more than western jihadists, fighting for some fundamental mentality, that only a few of you share.

None of you would have what it takes to run a government if for some odd reason you did manage to overthrow the United States. So we would all be back with the same corruption or worse.

This country would end up under a dictatorship. Promising that freedoms would return to us one day, but that day would never come.

Don't fool yourself, because you aren't fooling some of us.