Is there any significance of this heavenly body appearing in this time?

Is there any significance of this heavenly body appearing in this time?

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NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has imaged a mysterious X-shaped debris pattern and trailing streamers of dust that suggest a head-on collision between two asteroids. Astronomers have long thought that the asteroid belt is being ground down through collisions, but such a smashup has never before been seen.

The comet-like object imaged by Hubble, called P/2010 A2, was first discovered by the LINEAR (Lincoln Near-Earth Asteroid Research program) sky survey on January 6. New Hubble images taken on January 25 and 29 show a complex X-pattern of filamentary structures near the nucleus.

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I've seaching the net and looking for additional information as to the significance of this heavenly body appearing during our time when all other things are simultaneously happening i.e earthquakes, famines, deseases, wars, etc. Here's what i came accross:

written by the famous historian Josephus before/during the destruction of the Jewish system of things.

""Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet that continued a whole year. Thus also, before the Jews' rebellion so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which light lasted for half an hour Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple, which was of brass armed with iron, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night." (Wars, 4:4:5)."

If you look closely at the image of the heavenly body it looks like a sword - coincidence?


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Originally posted by jose11

If you look closely at the image of the heavenly body it looks like a sword - coincidence?

Yes. Or, more properly, Apophenia; the finding of patterns where they don't exist.

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God does not exist solely in space. The bible teaches us that God is everything. You won't be able to see the second coming of Christ, because it won't be an event - it will just be.

It always bugs me when people fictitiously place God or Christ in human terms by saying God or Jesus lives in the clouds, or by referring to God as a he or she.

God doesn't "live" in the clouds. God doesn't "live" in space.

God *IS* the clouds.
God *IS* space.

God is not a he.
God is not a she.
God is everything. Literally. God is the essence of everything that we call anything.

Just my 2 cents.

reply to post by Snarf


Whatcha talkin' bout there, buddy? No one said anything about God living anywhere at all, or a gender. In fact, god wasn't even directly mentioned once.

Originally posted by jose11

I've seaching the net and looking for additional information as to the significance of this heavenly body appearing during our time when all other things are simultaneously happening i.e earthquakes, famines, deseases (sic), wars, etc.

Can you point to a time in recorded human history when there weren't earthquakes, famines, diseases, wars, etc.?

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I COMPLETELY AGREE!!! So much so, I starred your post.



In regards to the thread, I'll say, yes, it has significance.

And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs ('oth, markers, indicators) and for seasons (moadhim, "solemn assembly") and for days and years, and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. (Genesis 1:14-19)

Astronomical events have spiritual significance

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I always liked this reading the best:

William Anders
"We are now approaching lunar sunrise and, for all the people back on Earth, the crew of Apollo 8 has a message that we would like to send to you.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Jim Lovell
"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Frank Borman
"And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
And from the crew of Apollo 8, we close with good night, good luck, a Merry Christmas – and God bless all of you, all of you on the good Earth."

I heard this on the radio, live, when I was 5 years old. My family was huddled in a car, stranded in the snow at night on a lonely highway in the mountains of northern California - listening to people read to us from the Moon.

It is one of my fondest memories.

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As interesting as this object is, OP, it has been previously discussed:

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Here
Here
And Here

Search function = friend.


Cheers,
Strype

Originally posted by Solasis
reply to post by Snarf

 

Whatcha talkin' bout there, buddy? No one said anything about God living anywhere at all, or a gender. In fact, god wasn't even directly mentioned once.

Wow.

So we can talk about the Jews. We can say things like "heavenly body" and mention artifacts like swords and make allusions to God. We can ask questions that allude to the 2nd coming of Christ....

but we aren't talking about God?

....what YOU talkin about there, "buddy"?


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See, my complaint was that no one had actually made any claims about God that you were arguing against. Of course God was on topic; but the things you were saying about God were not brought up anywhere, because they were specific claims about the nature of God which were not contradicted in any conceivable way with what the OP said.

Originally posted by Solasis
reply to post by Snarf

 

See, my complaint was that no one had actually made any claims about God that you were arguing against. Of course God was on topic; but the things you were saying about God were not brought up anywhere, because they were specific claims about the nature of God which were not contradicted in any conceivable way with what the OP said.

Actually they were.

If someone asks a question that alludes to the concept of the second coming of Christ, in the context of the question in the OP - then i can take a pretty reasonable guess that they view God as a man, or as a being, that lives in space and is going to rip through space-time with a sword and come save us all.

After all - why ask a real question if you already know the answer (Unless you are trying to prove a point in the said question that has a known answer, but that is called a rhetorical question - and since the OP is asking a question, and not making a point, i think its pretty safe to leave the rhetorical part off of the question)

It's also a very common misconception among many self-proclaimed "Devout" Christians these days.

It's much akin to many atheists who say that life on other planets would prove God doesn't exist.

So if I know they are atheist, and they start to ask me this question:

"So, God boy, if we were to find life on another planet..."

I could stop them right there, because i know what they're going to say. I can answer it for them without needing to hear any more, because it's been heard and discussed, ad nauseum, plenty of times in the past.

It REALLY IS that fundamentally easy.


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Originally posted by Snarf
If someone asks a question that alludes to the concept of the second coming of Christ, in the context of the question in the OP - then i can take a pretty reasonable guess that they view God as a man, or as a being, that lives in space and is going to rip through space-time with a sword and come save us all.

But it's still not the claim they were making. It's not even directly entailed by the claims they were making; it probably follows, as you say, but it doesn't necessarily follow at all. It is not what they were actually talking about, and you didn't even bother to make the claim in a "I'll bet you think this, don't you? Well that's wrong because..." manner; you just suddenly started shooting down theories which were not actively related to the discussion.

After all - why ask a real question if you already know the answer (Unless you are trying to prove a point in the said question that has a known answer, but that is called a rhetorical question - and since the OP is asking a question, and not making a point, i think its pretty safe to leave the rhetorical part off of the question)

The question asked was not "Is this God coming to smite us?" but rather "Is this a sign from God such as is talked about in the bible?"

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Yep, that was my point Solasis, just wanting to know if there's any significance of the object appearing in our time. Might just be a coincidence or for some might be a sign of something big to come - as in end of days. It's appearance somehow (or might not) coincides with what Josephus saw during his time when the Jewish system was ending.

reply to post by Solasis

The question asked was not "Is this God coming to smite us?" but rather "Is this a sign from God such as is talked about in the bible?"

Thats the same exact thing.

If you believe that this *is* the metaphor from the bible that some take as a sign, then you also believe that we are about to be smitten.

If you ask if it's the same sign (metaphor) then you are also asking if we're about to be smitten.

Its very easy man....all the bickering in the world won't make it more complex.




The OP is asking "what should i do if the light turns red"
and i'm saying "push on the brakes"


but then you come into the argument and say

"NUH UH!!! PEAS ARE GREEN!"



Ahhhhh - from the OP himself:

Might just be a coincidence or for some might be a sign of something big to come - as in end of days.

So - is it a sign of end days?

No. Its not. Because God isn't a man floating around in space who has a sword that will smite us.

Hence, my answer to the OPs question:

God does not exist solely in space. The bible teaches us that God is everything. You won't be able to see the second coming of Christ, because it won't be an event - it will just be.

It always bugs me when people fictitiously place God or Christ in human terms by saying God or Jesus lives in the clouds, or by referring to God as a he or she.

God doesn't "live" in the clouds. God doesn't "live" in space.

God *IS* the clouds.
God *IS* space.

God is not a he.
God is not a she.
God is everything. Literally. God is the essence of everything that we call anything.

Stop your trolling, Solasis. You're wrong.

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Originally posted by Snarf

The question asked was not "Is this God coming to smite us?" but rather "Is this a sign from God such as is talked about in the bible?"

Thats the same exact thing.

If you believe that this *is* the metaphor from the bible that some take as a sign, then you also believe that we are about to be smitten.

If you ask if it's the same sign (metaphor) then you are also asking if we're about to be smitten.

Its very easy man....all the bickering in the world won't make it more complex.

Nooooot really the same question. There's a severe difference. I can finally see where you're coming from now, though, but your reply still left out direct connections between what was asked and what you said. Your answer (which I'll leave in below for convenience's sake) jumps from "Is this a sign of the end times?" to "God doesn't manifest." A god who doesn't manifest does not necessitate that the end times don't happen, just that they don't happen with quite the same sequences of events as the OP suggests, though still doesn't state outright.

The OP is asking "what should i do if the light turns red"
and i'm saying "push on the brakes"


but then you come into the argument and say

"NUH UH!!! PEAS ARE GREEN!"

What actually happened was more like this:

OP: What should I do if the light turns red?
Snarf: Red is only the vibrational frequency of light; there is no actual redness in the traffic light.
Me: Er, okay, but that's not what he asked.

Ahhhhh - from the OP himself:

Might just be a coincidence or for some might be a sign of something big to come - as in end of days.

So - is it a sign of end days?

No. Its not. Because God isn't a man floating around in space who has a sword that will smite us.

But that doesn't necessitate that God doesn't have sequences which lead to smiting. Consider an analogy by which the universe, that is, God, is represented by a human body. The kidneys are a part of that body. Suppose they then get infected -- this represents life on earth, though I don't really mean to say that humans are an infection. Only that the human -- God -- the universe -- could intend to cure that infection by swallowing antibiotics, which could hypothetically appear to any of the sentient members of the infecting species as Signs and Wonders before they die. Broken analogy? yes. but I think it works well enough to show that your answer, as stated, does not necessarily indicate no signs.

Hence, my answer to the OPs question:

God does not exist solely in space. The bible teaches us that God is everything. You won't be able to see the second coming of Christ, because it won't be an event - it will just be.

It always bugs me when people fictitiously place God or Christ in human terms by saying God or Jesus lives in the clouds, or by referring to God as a he or she.

God doesn't "live" in the clouds. God doesn't "live" in space.

God *IS* the clouds.
God *IS* space.

God is not a he.
God is not a she.
God is everything. Literally. God is the essence of everything that we call anything.

Stop your trolling, Solasis. You're wrong.

Trolling? Because I think you went off topic enough to be called out on it? There are only two kinds of people who accuse other people of being trolls when disagreed with: Terrible debaters, and trolls.

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OP: What should I do if the light turns red?
Snarf: Red is only the vibrational frequency of light; there is no actual redness in the traffic light.
Me: Er, okay, but that's not what he asked.

LMAO - that is not at all what happened.

If you want to use your yuppy semantics, we'll put it this way

OP: What should I do if the light turns red?
Snarf: You should apply the brakes, because RED MEANS STOP
Me: Er, okay, but that's not what he asked.




Ahhh, but it is.

He asked "Is this a sign of the end times"



and i said "no, it can't be, because God isn't a man in space"



I cannot believe i used up all of my troll food on you.

reply to post by Snarf


Yuppy ?

Hey, "troll" I can put up with -- but to call me a yuppy? That's just going too far. * If I'm using any wonky semantics, it is Philosophy Major semantics!

You still ought to admit that you left out the gap between "end times" and "not a man in the sky" in your original post, though.

*I have actually been looking for an excuse to use this bewildering emoticon since I started posting here again... Thanks!

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Is there any significance of this heavenly body appearing in this time?

No. There is not. The bible gives numerous references to show that it is not. Most importantly so is that God is not a man. God is everything. Therefore, God does not need to show us a sword coming through space to come smite us. It will just happen.

Secondly, Jesus Christ says that NOBODY, not even Jesus himself, knows when God is coming. There are predictions made by wanna-be psychics like Aristotle that give guesses as to when it will happen, but none of them ever appear in the bible, ever, anywhere.

If it doesn't appear in the Bible, then don't take it for truth. If it does appear in the bible, then don't take it literally. The bible is meant to be a tool to live by the word of God. Not meant to be a historical document.

So to answer your question again, OP, no, its not a sign. its not a coincidence.

It'd be no different than if I, tomorrow, were to go on Television and say that a giant Earthquake will signify the return of Christ.

Gee, what would the odds be of that in this day & age?

reply to post by Solasis

You still ought to admit that you left out the gap between "end times" and "not a man in the sky" in your original post, though.

You won't be able to see the second coming of Christ, because it won't be an event - it will just be.

It cannot be any less gap-free and clearly spelled out than that. its a very simple answer that i gave, then i went into a longer, more drawn out description of WHY it is the answer.

And having a degree doesn't mean a damn thing these days.

College Degrees are like High School degree's.

They're about as useful as the paper they are printed on.

"Hey, i graduated college"

Wow...so did everyone else who doesn't have a job.


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