A&E for 911 Truth Admit Press Conference Failure

reply to post by Loki


By the way, re: your "National organization of degree holding engineers".

AE911 has managed to get, at very best, 1/10th of 1% of currently licensed engineers to sign onto their little petition. That's hardly a big deal.

And if there were a LOT more engineers that agreed with them (you know something approaching the 1% of engineers mark) we'd be hearing about it through the alternative media.

But we don't.

To get one percent you'd need to find, not 1000 engineers, but 13,000, at least.

If 13,000 had made any attempt to make their opinion heard (which would be very easy) you guys would be ALLLLLLLLL over it.

That's a pretty damning indictment of the ability of your movement to behave seriously, and also of the actual numbers you can get to sign up for your cause.

George Bush isn"t around to beat over the head with this and Obama is in office. The Truther movement is no longer useful to the MSM. That's it plain and simple.

Originally posted by dereks
And have you ever stopped to think that the reason you are ignored is all the silly stories "truthers" come up with - beam weapons, mini nukes, invisible noiseless explosives, magic fairy dust that dissolves metal, pod carrying aircraft, a 757 did not hit the pentagon etc. - these are all conspiracy theories put forward by "truthers", so which ones should the MSM concentrate on? Only the ones YOU agree with?

Unless you can quote me saying any of those things just once...you are being deceptive on purpose. Does that make you feel good about what you are doing? You are a monkey in a zoo, flinging your crap all over the place just hoping some of it sticks to something. Ma 'n' Pa muss a be a prouddda!

The conference was a failure, and no matter how much you try and spin that fact you only make yourself appear foolish.

Spin it? Why do you even come here? No one has denied or tried to spin the failure of the press conference. It is just you OSers that seem to think it is some sort of victory for you that the news did not waste time on this but thank god they reported on Gary Coleman getting arrested again.

Watchoo talkin'bout, Dereks?!

reply to post by K J Gunderson


This would be an interesting point, if it weren't absolutely false.

There a thread you spent some time one, which was about how the WT (i.e. the "MSM") was finally treating the truthers as credible.

That's spinning the success of this.

And I know you're gonna this is "just about the press conference", but its not.

You guys have argued that success in the MSM is proof of both success and failure... depending on who you were trying to brow beat.



Can you settle it once and for all?

Would reporting on the truther movement in the say, the NYTimes or the WaPo mean success or failure?

Not that's gonna happen, but just in case something bizarre happens like a truther shooting up the NIST headquarters. (Sorry a mind control stooge distracting the media.)

Originally posted by Loki
@ ImAPepper

The purpose of the news media is to keep it's citizens informed of current events. It is not their job to decide what is and is not 'reportable' news.

. . . . . . . . . .

RE: Your attitude.

I think it's absolutely hypocritical and frankly egotistical in the worst possible way for you to continue addressing members on this thread in a condescending manner if you will refuse to accept the 9/11 truth movement as not only a necessary public inquest into a tragedy, but as a truly patriotic endeavor given the deceptive nature of our government.

These are not uneducated dirt farmers from backwoods. This is a National organization of degree-holding engineers and architects that find the original story to be hard to swallow.

I leave you with this;

If a story is blacked out of the news, we should be investigating why, not relishing in the suppression of free speech. Think about it.

And when we Americans FINALLY take our nation back from the elitist oligarcy, we are going to hang a bunch of these treacherous news media traitors.

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Originally posted by SPreston

And when we Americans FINALLY take our nation back from the elitist oligarcy, we are going to hang a bunch of these treacherous news media traitors.

Bsbray... you were talking about death threats? Need I say more?

reply to post by ImAPepper


My fine noes pick of the scent of a troll, and even an stinky lowdown and perosnal attacking one.

Go away with you defamation of Mr.Gage in this subject, but also just go and do a job as he did to raise in his mind, awareness of some really faulty things in a official explanation.

I have not seen any of your footwork yet, but please feel free to paste some url´s of your work no matter what Subject, i just want to see that you can actually write some intelligent. I´m not a reader of Mr.Gage but i know how much works lie behind such work he did to put up a conference like that, if the mainstream media failed at showing up who is then to blame if invitation was already sent to them.

You do not even come with some of your own arguments against M.Gage, you just put in some fillwords ontop of copy/paste "out of context" snippets.

To be honest i would call you a disinfo person, with the lame none constructive defametory comments you pulled out in this thread.

Best regards

Loke.:.

Originally posted by Loke.
My fine noes pick of the scent of a troll, and even an stinky lowdown and perosnal attacking one.

Really? Then why bother reading? I'm not attacking any member here at ATS... I am clearly pointing out the failure that is Richard Gage and his vaudeville act that he runs.

Go away with you defamation of Mr.Gage in this subject, but also just go and do a job as he did to raise in his mind, awareness of some really faulty things in a official explanation.

Defamation? That's hysterical. This guy always has at least on "chip in" box on his website. He begs for money at all times. Why? To pay his salary and travel the globe spreading lies.

I have not seen any of your footwork yet, but please feel free to paste some url´s of your work no matter what Subject, i just want to see that you can actually write some intelligent. I´m not a reader of Mr.Gage but i know how much works lie behind such work he did to put up a conference like that, if the mainstream media failed at showing up who is then to blame if invitation was already sent to them.

My footwork? Would you like to see the green initiatives I have put forth in my company? If you would like, U2U me your e-mail address and I will send you links to the awards I have received in the past two years. Matter of fact, I was nominated for two awards for 2009. (the banquet was Friday and I didn't win either of them) The ATS forum is hardly the place to discuss my personal employment.

You do not even come with some of your own arguments against M.Gage, you just put in some fillwords ontop of copy/paste "out of context" snippets.

Oh, I have. I have posted them here in the past. I presented my problems with him to his face. This was on video. He called me a "good sport" when I was done telling him several of the mistakes he makes.

To be honest i would call you a disinfo person, with the lame none constructive defametory comments you pulled out in this thread.

Call me whatever you'd like, Loke.

reply to post by ImAPepper


Let me get this straight...The media, the same media that aired months of the original 911 story, nonstop, and relentlessly, do not want to show up to hear a story that could go against everything they have stated as fact for years, and this is evidence that Gage is a failure?

Oh yeah, it's not that at all...

It's because he is a crazy charlatan.

Originally posted by Subconsciously Correct


Let me get this straight...The media, the same media that aired months of the original 911 story, nonstop, and relentlessly, do not want to show up to hear a story that could go against everything they have stated as fact for years, and this is evidence that Gage is a failure?

Oh yeah, it's not that at all...

It's because he is a crazy charlatan.

Well, you didn't get it straight. Not entirely. Gage spreads a message that is incorrect. The media knows it. The sane minded public knows it. The media is not interested in rants from whack jobs like Gage, Griffin, or Jones.

It was not only the MSM that ignored him. The alternative ones did as well.

Gage only failed at the press conference. He didn't lose anything though. Truthers paid his way. As I stated above on this thread (and on his home page) he raised close to 2 thousand dollars just to send out invites to architects in the CA. area.

Gage also travels the world spending thousands of dollars he collects from his sustaining members. (truthers)

Originally posted by Subconsciously Correct
reply to post by ImAPepper

 

It's because he is a crazy charlatan.

No, nobody thinks he's crazy.

If you debunkers are so confident in the official version and that Gage and his almost 1100 architects and engineers are wrong, why don't you start your own site called "Architects and Engineers AGAINST 9/11 Truth"? I would love to see what kind of turnout in numbers that would get.

I do know that if I was that adamant about how wrong Gage was and how correct the official version was, even though it takes blind faith to believe the official version, I would absolutely start a website like that. It seems some people have ulterior motives instead, like troll internet forums and claim how right the official version is with absolutely no proof, especially from an organization (NIST) that has blatantly lied about at least one important piece of evidence.




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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
If you debunkers are so confident in the official version and that Gage and his almost 1100 architects and engineers are wrong, why don't you start your own site called "Architects and Engineers AGAINST 9/11 Truth"? I would love to see what kind of turnout in numbers that would get.

I do know that if I was that adamant about how wrong Gage was and how correct the official version was, even though it takes blind faith to believe the official version, I would absolutely start a website like that.

Good idea.

Then "ImaPepper" can rant and rave about what Richard Gage is doing all day long and no one will care. Maybe HE can even raise money to show that Gage is a liar.

Originally posted by hooper

Originally posted by Subconsciously Correct
reply to post by ImAPepper

 

It's because he is a crazy charlatan.

No, nobody thinks he's crazy.

Your sarcasm meter is a little off today. My point was, the same media who posted the original story for years is not likely to turn around and view something that could expose the original story as false. We are expecting too much out of the media, and they will not bite the hand that feeds them.

Edit: Upon further review, maybe you believe he is not crazy yet still a charlatan. In that case, I may have initially misunderstood your post.

[edit on 1-3-2010 by Subconsciously Correct]

Originally posted by ImAPepper

Well, you didn't get it straight. Not entirely. Gage spreads a message that is incorrect. The media knows it. The sane minded public knows it. The media is not interested in rants from whack jobs like Gage, Griffin, or Jones.

It was not only the MSM that ignored him. The alternative ones did as well.

Gage only failed at the press conference. He didn't lose anything though. Truthers paid his way. As I stated above on this thread (and on his home page) he raised close to 2 thousand dollars just to send out invites to architects in the CA. area.

Gage also travels the world spending thousands of dollars he collects from his sustaining members. (truthers)

Yeah yeah yeah, We get it that you are a scandalous little bit obsessed with the 911 topic and that in every instance of every post you have made, you position yourself as a clinical psychologist yet have never substantiated by any certification that Gage is in fact a certifiable nut. We get it that you do not approve of the donations he he asks for and apparently, those that find his efforts worthy of the ten, twenty or even a hundred bucks they give him to continue his speaking engagements are doing it under the influence of the Jedi mind trick and not of their own volition. Yeah we get that.

What we DON'T get, is why?

What's in it for you to do ALL THIS?

I am assuming you do THIS for free too is that not correct?

You think truthers are nut jobs yatta yatta ok, so what? What is it about them, you are such a crusader to stop?


I know that their are many people out there, walking around wondering who it was that took a major part of their soul and ripped it out in the name of jihad. The kind of spiritual injury that requires justice even to begin to heal. Yet NINE years later, what did the side you are so gallantly defending DO for these people to give them something they could at least BLAME for this much less convict and incarcerate?

What justice do you INSIST they should be satisfied with?

You know, I didn't give a rats ass what Bill Clinton did with Monica Lewinski and I thought the one hundred million dollars spent on sticking our noses where they didn't belong was such a huge waste of money. It was money that would have served the people much better if it had been spent indicting him for China gate and his certain impeachment hearing that I can bet the farm, would have followed. At least that makes more sense to me. But gage is not taking our money and spending it on things YOU don't agree with, he is drawing attention to things we didn't spend enough money on to get it done right and ya know when ya don't have the money to get something you need to get done and get done right, you invariably will find you have to get enough money to get it done over.


Now YOU seem to think you got your money's worth in the Official alibi.



Yet something like 911, where people died and to this day have no one, they can know why they did it, how they did it, or even who they were, that did it, than when the tragedy was executed. In fact, what they did was make a conspiracy look even MORE ugly, raising more questions about doubt giving us more reasons to question our Government and those who blindly believe them.

Defending them as if it was a full time job or as if they had a personal stake in keeping the official alibi, the best America can give its people in the form of truth, justice and the American way. Personally, I know some Comic books make a better case for that than the crumbs of justice our “S’elected officials” have settled for.

I think, 911 was behind everything we argue about today.

That if we did a serious investigation where those who are indicted in a grand jury, are compelled by subpoena to show up and testify UNDER OATH, by attorneys from the private sector under contract to work as a special prosecutor, it would cost us many hundreds of millions of dollars.

But in the end, do you know what I think people like you would find out?

I think you would find out that at the very least, their exists in large numbers, evil, in high places of Government.

That corruption is not something the private sector has a monopoly on.

That greed is a disease that does not discriminate and that some times when we use the word honorable when an introduction is given for a State Senator, the only thing saying he is honorable is the stationery he uses.

That cronyism is threat and appearances that were once avoided for the inappropriateness for the distrust they cause were once the moral integrity of a few people. The kind of people who had the discipline to maintain an honest life and refused to be seen having lunch on a lobbyists dime, much less a cruise to some islands resort,

That Character we submitted to them as above our own and why we revered them in such a manner of introduction. That using the word HONORABLE before their name was because it was true and we knew they were better at making honest decisions because we knew ourselves and couldn’t be trusted.

Today, any ex-convict or pedophile getting in office by falling through the cracks would not only not surprise me, but today I think it’s a waste of time to even care about his backround, who is friends are or whether he was even BORN here.

Who cares? I mean we let them get away with NOT answering legitimate questions regarding the crime of the century. We have many out there who have assisted in making this “givea#” attitude possible.

I think you would find out their ARE secrets and that many people can keep a secret when they are duped into fragments of a larger role being unknowing agents of a larger conspiracy. Especially when they have no idea they have a secret because the military has done it for many years compartmentalizing information given on a need to know basis only. I think we would find out that George W. Bush was at the very least, an opportunist doing everything he could to make the best use of a crisis he didn't want going to waste. I think the economic crisis is every bit an act of terrorism that is being orchestrated as a means to an end as the war on drugs, on obesity, on poverty and the ever semantically couched and codified, war on terror.

I think you would find out that Bush didn't keep us safe, when it was his watch we got attacked. That he not only knew we would be attacked, but was complicit in being the "get away" driver doing EVERYTHING he could to make sure such a far fetched attempt would be completed and without a catch. (no pun on the catch)

That he and many others were guilty of obstruction of justice and that their has never been ANY accountability for that event.

So why have we not seen any since?

Because if THEY can get away with THAT, apparently you don't think we should bitch about what they are getting away with now.

Well, until we finally quit calling those without a conspiracy theory, the conspiracy theorists and realize the only conspiracy theory that ANYONE has clung to is the one about 9 Saudi hijackers with some exacto knives who some how were able to overtake air planes having passengers who were special forces military and expert killers in hand to hand. That these clowns got to fly around for hours in the sky and no radar not even NORAD could track them down, that on this day, more weird precedents for strange records were set regarding phenomena with a probability 20 to the fiftieth power in ever happening. That EACH contested instance where we saw the media lowering the voloum on explosions while debunkers increased the volume of so many youtube CD demonstrations, didn’t get past all of us.

That SIX of the ten commissioners had said PUBLIC ALLY that the 911 commission was a cover up, that they were told to lie! That those six would have been grounds for a mistrial in any federal court requiring a NEW trial, would make ANY criticism YOU have about Gage, a meaningless and completely superfluous argument,

Because in the end my friend, how the towers fell is just a distraction, but who was behind that day and who has never been charged or indicted, is what is really important.

When we get those who've done everything they could to avoid testimony from getting asked the tough questions, how they came down, who got paid what, all the way up to how politics is run today and why their is such a passionately argued chasm, a gulf of ideological polarity today. We will see it is one expressed as a wound that won't go away, until people like you stop thinking, pulling the scab off, is going to make it heal any quicker.

THAT you, are the conspiracy theorist NOT us.

We may have some ideas out there and some like you have been known to come up with some doozies in the name of 911 truth just to make us guilty by association, but not everyone is as naive as you might think.

Not everyone believes the constitution was written by a Government fearing the potential of greed, power and corruption of its people.

It was written by people who were wise enough to know the very possibilities that I have just given are more likely true of Governments potential for greed, corruption and the invariably given consequence of the oppression of its people.

The money we will spend NOT investigating 911 as a criminal act, has already far exceeded what such an investigation will cost us had we the resolve to finally hearing a gavel hitting a judges bench and hearing the words "We find the defendants in the case of we the people VS the United States Government, its contracts and assigns. guilty"

That is a fact whether you think the media giving it airtime confuses us as giving it credibility or not


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[edit on 1-3-2010 by CT Slayer]

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
If you debunkers are so confident in the official version and that Gage and his almost 1100 architects and engineers are wrong, why don't you start your own site called "Architects and Engineers AGAINST 9/11 Truth"? I would love to see what kind of turnout in numbers that would get.

Good idea.

Then "ImaPepper" can rant and rave about what Richard Gage is doing all day long and no one will care. Maybe HE can even raise money to show that Gage is a liar.

After seeing John Gross and his ACE NIST team with their bald-faced lying, perhaps ImAPepper can find as many as 1000 architects and engineers from his pool of a million or so, to publicly stand by the NIST results to fill the ranks of his new "Architects and Engineers AGAINST 9/11 Truth"?

Or perhaps not.



Blatant lies - their computer model is a joke looking nothing like the actual WTC7 collapse.

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Thank you NIST for providing the proof that 9/11

was an inside job / false flag attack.

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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
If you debunkers are so confident in the official version and that Gage and his almost 1100 architects and engineers are wrong,............

Bonez, do you think the Red Cross was involved with the destruction of WTC-7? Well, Box Boy Gage does. That is one of several errors he makes during his presentation. But hey, keep having your paycheck garnished to support his cult. He loves you and I am hope you are still getting your 10 point post cards on a monthly basis.

There is no need to start a group against this fraud. The lack of support and respect from the real world speaks for itself.

To Bsbray.... I, unlike Gage do not do this for the money. I do this for the fence sitters that are not sure what happened. YOU truthers attempt to re-write history with pathetic conspiracy theories. I attempt to show them the true history.

Originally posted by ImAPepper

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
If you debunkers are so confident in the official version and that Gage and his almost 1100 architects and engineers are wrong,............

Bonez, do you think the Red Cross was involved with the destruction of WTC-7? Well, Box Boy Gage does. That is one of several errors he makes during his presentation. But hey, keep having your paycheck garnished to support his cult. He loves you and I am hope you are still getting your 10 point post cards on a monthly basis.

There is no need to start a group against this fraud. The lack of support and respect from the real world speaks for itself.

To Bsbray.... I, unlike Gage do not do this for the money. I do this for the fence sitters that are not sure what happened. YOU truthers attempt to re-write history with pathetic conspiracy theories. I attempt to show them the true history.

Dude, like I said you believe in a theory MUCH more incredible than some red cross workers you allege gage is saying. I don't think anyone really cares what gage says, it is what YOU are satisfied with what the Government sold you, that makes YOU the one a little crazy

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by ImAPepper
That is one of several errors he makes during his presentation.

Errors and mistakes? Yes, we're all guilty of that. But for NIST to blatantly lie to the American people about damning evidence is unacceptable.

It really makes one wonder how people can believe in the official version after so many cover-ups and lies. It makes one wonder what the motives are of the handful of debunkers that are left in the 9/11 forum that are trying to make people believe so badly that the official fairy tale is correct, no matter how many cover-ups and lies there are.

There was a news story a few weeks ago that talked about the government infiltrating conspiracy sites to quell conspiracies. It makes one wonder if they're already here...

Originally posted by ImAPepper
YOU truthers attempt to re-write history with pathetic conspiracy theories. I attempt to show them the true history.

All I have to say about the above comment is:

Originally posted by CT Slayer

Dude, like I said you believe in a theory MUCH more incredible than some red cross workers you allege gage is saying. I don't think anyone really cares what gage says, it is what YOU are satisfied with what the Government sold you, that makes YOU the one a little crazy

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Gage. like the other loony leaders of the Truth Cult are charlatans. I have stated this countless times and have backed it up with facts. Look, CT Slayer, I don't give a rat's a$$ what you spend your hard earned money on. If you, like Bonez choose to give this guy your money so he can continue to travel the globe...have at it!

Just FYI... I didn't buy anything from the government. I did my own research and got my answers from the real world. Not the world that is inhabited by Alex Jones, Steven Jones, Gage, etc....