Assault weapons ban to be reinstated,gunshows closed.Eric Holders war on self defense.

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Americans will find a way around the law as they did before.

The 90 percent statistic is an outright misrepresentation of the truth. Only 17 percent of the guns seized in Mexico are thought to have come from the United States, 90 percent of those 17 percent have actually been traced to the United States. But, a lie is a lie. Statistically only 15.3 percent of the total gun seizures in Mexico can be traced directly to the United States. The majority of the guns used there are AK type rifles that have Eastern European origin.

Holder, and Obama can kiss my ass.

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i starred you! for bringing up some facts!

but you are so wrong on the last paragraph!

4 mill people in the US with guns will be awesome in a war!

err, you did see red dawn, right?

people dyin' left and right indiscriminate violance and killin'. lot's of killin'!

might even have to nuke tanglewood!

I can't decide which group of people is dumber. The politicians who will be thrown out on their asses for supporting such a thing ( they all got tossed out when Clinton did it and the public actually liked him at the time) or the voters who have never touched a gun let alone fired one who would actually find such a moronic ban a good thing.

Why can't idiots and assholes just leave me alone? Not a day goes by some authoritarian nanny proposes use of force of government to make me live my life the way they want me to live it. Rarely do they get anywhere but the constant brow beating and remining that these animals live among us and often in positions of perceived authority turns my stomach.


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ya i bet eric will be gone in 6months. be it quit or fired.

he has been worse than a friend of mine on crack.

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I don't think you'll even have to bother correcting their misrepresentations. There's absolutely no way that Holder or the Obama administration will be able to sell an argument that favors stripping the rights of Americans in order to assist a foreign country. The American public isn't exactly going to be sympathetic to that argument.

Honestly, if I had to guess, this is merely a case of Eric Holder whispering sweet nothings into the ears of the anti-gun moonbats and the authoritarian progressives in an effort to appease them and make it appear that the administration is doing something on the issue. Notice that even he acknowledges that he's unsure of when the administration will actively push a new AWB. Its clearly something that's on the back burner.

The bottom line is that the Democratic party cannot afford to take yet another beating over a highly divisive issue heading into this mid-term, especially with healthcare, the economy, cap-and-trade and both wars still out there as much bigger issues.

Did any one notice this article was from 2009? I saw this last night on blacklistednews and it is straight propoganda on blacklistednews part.

Now, if this article was from 2010, it may be a little different, but its not, its old and people trying to create hype.

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As was noted - practically all rifle bullets will penetrate a cops bullet proof vest.

Banning bullets that can piece body armor would mean banning all rifle caliber bullets.

As was also noted - fully automatic weapons, like those used by the drug cartels, are already banned in this country. Banning so-called "assault weapons" would have zero impact on drug cartels.

The whole thing is a joke.

dang! You mean that, just like everything illegal, the assault weapons are going to be sold underground now, driving up crime rates and increasing the hatred against the US government?




What's new?

As was noted - practically all rifle bullets will penetrate a cops bullet proof vest.

Ummm....that's not even close to being true. Granted, there are several types of armor piercing bullets, but thats a long cry from saying that all rifle bullets can penetrate body armor.

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Are they going to ban .50 BMG? Rounds as well? How many drug cartels carry AR-50 Beowulfs or Barret M95's?


This whole thing is BS. If we want to end mexicos drug problem then we must END THE WAR ON DRUGS AND LEGALIZE DRUGS. OVERNIGHT we will PUT CARTELS OUT OF BUSINESS.

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I looked at the date, but apparently only paid attention to the February 25th part. You're right, the article is a year old.

Needless to say, its a dead issue. I'm sure the Obama administration would love to pass a new ban and a ton of other 'common sense' gun laws, as Obama called them during the campaign, but the political reality is that it will not be possible for the foreseeable future.

Originally posted by Ismail
Just giving a non-american opinion here...

If we knew this was going on in Europe, we'd be flabbergasted. You mean to say that in america, you can buy armor piercing bullets, and own a military caliber gun ? And you are protesting against the fact that this is going to be made illegal ?

I think you're crazy. You have no idea how stupified I am. Really. I can't imagine why ANYONE would need 7, 62 AP rounds. It just sounds mad to me. Completely crazy.

Actually armor piercing bullets are already illegal. To further outlaw armor piercing bullets would mean removing bullets that can go through level IIIA body armor. This means any bullet stronger than a .44 Magnum hand gun bullet.

The .223 rifle bullet is actually the basis of the American military round. It is not a very large caliber. It is designed to mainly hunt small animals like rabits, ground hogs, and the ocassional fox. It is not some devestating caliber. It has long been argued by soldiers that it should be eliminated because it isn't strong enough. So they would want to ban weapons that are designed to kill small varmints instead of people.

The 9x19mm handgun bullet is considerred by many to be the smallest acceptable caliber for self defense. It is also the same caliber many military units use. The elimination of people's rights to by a "military grade" weapon could eliminate the purchase of weapons designed for self protection.

By banning "military grade" weapons you could effectively eliminate the majority of weapons used by farmers to protect their live stock. You would eliminate the ability of people to hunt for food. You would also be eliminating the weapons that thousands of Americans use every year to protect their homes, their lives, and their children's lives.

Beyond that it is a direct attempt to destroy the second amendment rights of Americans. The justification is "we are not trying to ban all guns, just really dangeous ones." Well the really dangerous guns are already regulated and banned. You can not own an automatic weapon without a special license from the government. That license allows the government to search your property at any time and subjects you to intense investigation by the F.B.I or ATF.

The truth is that there are tons of laws on the books to stop gun trafficking. Enforcement of existing laws is more important than writing new laws and abridging freedoms.

Gun Trafficking To Mexico Is Alreaddy Illegal

Transporting firearms from the U.S. to Mexico poses more legal obstacles to the would-be trafficker. Shipping, transporting or receiving a firearm with intent to commit a felony with it, or knowing that someone else will use it to commit a felony, is punishable by ten years in prison.[10] The trafficker would also break the law if he tried to ship firearms by common carrier without declaring the contents of the package,[11] or by mailing a handgun.[12] There are also specific prohibitions on shipping or transporting stolen firearms,[13] or firearms with obliterated serial numbers.[14]

If a trafficker manages to export firearms from the U.S. without a license from the State Department, he violates the Arms Export Control Act, which prohibits unlicensed exports of “defense articles.”[15] Illegally exported “arms or munitions of war” are subject to seizure and forfeiture.[16]

Even if the trafficker does not remove the firearm from the U.S., he can still be punished for transferring it to someone else in the U.S., if the transferor knows the firearm will be used to commit a violent or drug trafficking crime.[17] And even if a group of traffickers are ultimately unsuccessful, they can still be punished under the general federal conspiracy statute, as long as one of the conspirators commits some act to carry out the plan.[18]

Those are just a few of the laws that address the problem. The problem isn't that Americans purchase and sell guns to each other. It is that corruption is rampant in Mexico. The problem is that the government fails to ensure that millions of citizens have access to running water, elctricity, education, or employeement.

I was watching a report from Current Vanguard. They asked one guy in a rural village why they don't turn over cartel members to the military or police. He basicly said, why should we? Before the cartel came along they did not have electricity. I've asked friends about this. One told me that in his village the cartel built the first school they ever had, and paid for the first water pumping facility that could supply water to the whole village.

When the cartel does more for the populace than the government criminals become heros. They become a protected class among a populace that has been neglected.

Banning American guns will not fix the problems in Mexico that allow these cartels to flourish. It will only serve to make Americans weaker to protect against the crime cartels export to America.

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Originally posted by Office 4256

Originally posted by Ismail
Just giving a non-american opinion here...

If we knew this was going on in Europe, we'd be flabbergasted. You mean to say that in america, you can buy armor piercing bullets, and own a military caliber gun ? And you are protesting against the fact that this is going to be made illegal ?

I think you're crazy. You have no idea how stupified I am. Really. I can't imagine why ANYONE would need 7, 62 AP rounds. It just sounds mad to me. Completely crazy.

This is because Europeans trust their governments and are "communitarians". Most people in the US are (still) individualists. Our government is a servant of the people, and we have the right under our constitution to protect ourselves from our government. I understand why Europeans are so conflict averse, but most of the reason for your recent history is that populations were unequipped and reluctant to take care of their governmental problems before they became a problem that had to be handled by Patton and Zhukov.

We're BORN with that right, whether or not we're born in the USA. Even Europeans have that right. The differences are that our government is forced to recognise that right and it is PROTECTED by the constitution. The same isn't true for all European governments.

Originally posted by Snarf
dang! You mean that, just like everything illegal, the assault weapons are going to be sold underground now, driving up crime rates and increasing the hatred against the US government?

What's new?

As was noted - practically all rifle bullets will penetrate a cops bullet proof vest.

Ummm....that's not even close to being true. Granted, there are several types of armor piercing bullets, but thats a long cry from saying that all rifle bullets can penetrate body armor.

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That depends entirely on the velocity and caliber and level body armor in question, but on the whole, most high velocity rifle bullets CAN penetrate most body armor.

Furthermore, COPS DON'T WEAR RIFLE PLATES UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO A RIFLE FIGHT.

They wear HANDGUN armor. SOFT armor. This guy is talking about banning semi-automatic rifles. (Yeah, just because he calls them "assault weapons" doesn't mean they're used in "assaults". Cops are RARELY shot at with rifles, mostly handguns. In fact, rifles are rarely used in crimes AT ALL. This isn't something I'm saying without any evidence to back it up.. look up the statistics if you don't believe me.)

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Originally posted by vor78
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I looked at the date, but apparently only paid attention to the February 25th part. You're right, the article is a year old.

Needless to say, its a dead issue. I'm sure the Obama administration would love to pass a new ban and a ton of other 'common sense' gun laws, as Obama called them during the campaign, but the political reality is that it will not be possible for the foreseeable future.

A quote from page one of your link.

"It's something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign," he said. "There are obviously a number of things that are -- that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I'm not sure exactly what the sequencing will be."

If they are willing to extend the Patriot act, and they are willing to force through health care on reconsiliation, are you sure it is a dead issue? I say it is an issue we must remaign vigilant about. Not just during this administration but during every administration. We just got lucky and had this administration admit their intentions.

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You can never be 100% certain, but I think its highly unlikely that the administration or Congress will seriously push a major gun control bill this year. The Democrats just can't afford to fight a highly divisive battle over what is a secondary issue on their domestic platform. They've already blown virtually all of their political capital and are going to need what remains of it to attempt one final push on healthcare and, later, cap-and-trade.

I wouldn't put it past them, but I also don't think its something that's imminent. This is the most hostile political environment that the gun control lobby has faced in years...if ever. Public opinion has shifted away not only from the gun control lobby's political allies in the Democratic party, but also against their position itself. Public support for gun rights is at its highest point in many years, according to virtually every poll I've seen. It would be a major political battle, likely bigger than the one over the Clinton AWB, and just one that I don't think any of the usual suspects have any stomach for at the moment.

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This is why it is so important that we have a SCOTUS that is favorable to gun owners.

As fo Mexico, well, they allow drug cartels to corrupt their government, military, and law enforcement for generations. And suddenly their crime problems are our fault? They're only trying this ruse because of the sympathetic far left administration currently in US office.

It's only the Second Amendment.
Nothing to see here, folks.

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A few of you even posted in the previous thread

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The first thing (literally) Hitler did after assuming power was banning citizens from owning firearms. They all thought is was for public safety, but it was really so he could start murdering Jews and others who didn't support his ambitions for the master race. The founding fathers of the U.S. knew all about how that worked because many of the politicians of that time thought that taking the guns away from the citizens after the revolution (against the King of England), would be a good idea. Mostly because it would make "them" safer, not the citizenry. The result of this political battle was the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. And it will stand regardless of how certain public officials would like to disarm the citizens, just like Hitler did.

Originally posted by Ismail
Just giving a non-american opinion here...

If we knew this was going on in Europe, we'd be flabbergasted. You mean to say that in america, you can buy armor piercing bullets, and own a military caliber gun ? And you are protesting against the fact that this is going to be made illegal ?

I think you're crazy. You have no idea how stupified I am. Really. I can't imagine why ANYONE would need 7, 62 AP rounds. It just sounds mad to me. Completely crazy.

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Im with you i questioned the 90% statics as well because i know damn well it is cheaper to make an ak-47 in mexico than it is to buy one or make one in the United States.

The gun ban will create a black market for ammunition as well as magazines and rifiles and the violence will continue.Accept Mexico will be importing weapons to USA as well as Drugs, and making money hand over fist.

The whole law is an economist stimulus to outlaws and international corporations.

I thought for a long time that there was a right side of the law, but i learned that the folks who have the wealth also have the power.These men play the ups and downs in the markets. Gun sales are a big market my friend. Banning them in America the biggest gun culture around you will make billions funding gun runners then you could invest in your FOTM corporation who builds prisons. Seriously these people are sick folks.

That is now these elitists think.

Most politicians tell you the truth it is up to you to believe them.