Assault weapons ban to be reinstated,gunshows closed.Eric Holders war on self defense.

abcnews.go.com...


We all know what Barry is up to since his presidency started, however the drum beat is getting louder each time it is thrown in to the public eye,This Article is days old it was missed on most forums I have seen. the date of the article is Feb 25,2010.

This time Eric holder expands the assault on gun owners by including gun shows and caliber sizes.
He also sites Mexico as his reasoning for this.

So let me get this right. Eric holder wants to steal rights because Mexico is unable to control its borders and we WON'T control our borders and that is going to make it safe?

Eric you have clearly shown yourself to be more of a tyrant than an intellectual by your gun grabbing ways. Eric Holder I think YOU are the coward in this nation.


Eric Holder at the direction of President Barry Soetoro. is once again targeting free America.

Please act accordingly.




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Great find. This is very unfortunate though. It is really scary to think how vague this law may be written up.

Im very worried , this story was buried by msm and I know this has been talked about since Obama came into office.


It is alarming to me that such educated people in office have such an intentional disregard to personal liberties and freedoms.

I can accept ignorance,but this guy Eric Holder is off the charts. He one of the bad guys.
These men are all attorneys they know history they KNOW it.

These men are evil.

We truly have criminals running this government.



[edit on 28-2-2010 by TaxpayersUnleashed]

Originally posted by TaxpayersUnleashed
This time Eric holder expands the assault on gun owners by including gun shows and caliber sizes.

Wikipedia
The term "Gun Show Loophole" refers to laws that allow private individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms to sell guns at gun shows without conducting background checks on purchasers or maintaining records of sale.

Stopping this is bad...why? The article made no mention of what calibur size a 'cop-killer' bullet is, research I've done only pointed out armor-piercing, teflon-coated rounds. These were banned in 1986, I don't know what Holder is talking about.

Originally posted by TaxpayersUnleashed
He also sites Mexico as his reasoning for this.

From a link in your same article:

U.S. gun stores and gun shows are the source of more than 90 percent of the weapons being used by Mexico's ruthless drug cartels, according to U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials.

Originally posted by TaxpayersUnleashed
So let me get this right. Eric holder wants to steal rights because Mexico is unable to control its borders and we WON'T control our borders and that is going to make it safe?

This debate could go on forever, but let me state my opinion anyway; Short of completely locking ourselves out from our southern neighbors I feel it would be completely irresponsible of Americans to allow the purchase of such devastating weapons to criminals, thereby making the violent situations in Mexico that much worse.

Originally posted by TaxpayersUnleashed
Eric Holder at the direction of President Barry Satero is once again targeting free America.

Soetoro.

read the words he is saying, They are banned.

That is why i said he wants to ban calibers. Most folks who shoot know any rifile will go through a vest.

Eric knows this as well.

Since the cop killer bullets are already banned.

He is directly speaking of caliber size. You need to learn how these folks speak its almost in code.

That is how they get away with this stuff.

They are Intentionally deceptive Attorneys are highly adept at hiding true intentions in plain sight.

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Of all the things I said you point to that one...

I'm not looking any deeper than his words, "...the banning of cop-killer bullets."

A cop-killer bullet is an armor piercing bullet. When he specifically says a rifle calibur bullet is banned then I'll hear your argument, until then you're just putting words into his mouth.

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i don't need you to hear any argument.
You have done such a great job with bankrupting the nation lets add on a defenseless public as well.

You have no Idea the unintended consequences and the incredible pain these laws create.


Like i always said the laws worked well for us, we have more in prison than the Republic of China a Communist brutal nation.

Just giving a non-american opinion here...

If we knew this was going on in Europe, we'd be flabbergasted. You mean to say that in america, you can buy armor piercing bullets, and own a military caliber gun ? And you are protesting against the fact that this is going to be made illegal ?

I think you're crazy. You have no idea how stupified I am. Really. I can't imagine why ANYONE would need 7, 62 AP rounds. It just sounds mad to me. Completely crazy.

Originally posted by Ismail
Just giving a non-american opinion here...

If we knew this was going on in Europe, we'd be flabbergasted. You mean to say that in america, you can buy armor piercing bullets, and own a military caliber gun ? And you are protesting against the fact that this is going to be made illegal ?

I think you're crazy. You have no idea how stupified I am. Really. I can't imagine why ANYONE would need 7, 62 AP rounds. It just sounds mad to me. Completely crazy.

We as non-american can't understand what liberty is for the US People. They feel free, if they have the hardware to win a war by a "one man" show. It's sad but true. THIS IS NORMAL!

Oh good, looks like gun sales are going to keep going through the roof.

"Day is cummin fer our gunz! Quick Jefro, wez gotsta get down to that thar gunz store and buy us up some assault rifles dern tootin! That thar Kenyan boy in office gonna get our gunz!"

Boy I would have been way more for your side if you didn't take such a hard right angle at this issue. I myself am very pro gun, and on principal I do agree with you. But the way you talk about this issue also makes me think that in retribution you and the local gang are gonna go down to Washington wearing white sheets and burn a lower case T on the white house lawn.

"It's a welcome to the neighborhood lower case T!"


Edit to add this beautiful gem:

Im very worried , this story was buried by msm and I know this has been talked about since Obama came into office.

Where did you get the story again?

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Originally posted by Ismail
Just giving a non-american opinion here...

If we knew this was going on in Europe, we'd be flabbergasted. You mean to say that in america, you can buy armor piercing bullets, and own a military caliber gun ? And you are protesting against the fact that this is going to be made illegal ?

I think you're crazy. You have no idea how stupified I am. Really. I can't imagine why ANYONE would need 7, 62 AP rounds. It just sounds mad to me. Completely crazy.

Regular ol' 7.62 FMJ will pierce armor too, buddy. I can't imagine why anyone would think banning weapons is a sensible thing to do. Might as well perform lobotomies on the entire population of humanity if you think that is somehow going to curtail violence. The statistical fact is that everywhere banning of weapons, let alone firearms, has taken place - violence has gone up. I challenge you to find one example where banning iirearms of any sort has resulted in a decrease in violent crime When people can't defend themselves, other people take advantage of the opportunity..

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Aw whatukno with your high horse again.

I know you were making a point but your blanket generalization and outright ignorance with your statement is yet again contradictory to your more sound posts.

I see nowhere in the OP of any undertones that you are implying...yet somehow you have drawn the conclusion because it is what you want to see.

From what I gather, the OP feels this has been in the works from Day 1 of President Obama's agenda. Since this is a conspiracy website I would say that it fits the bill.

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Hi "angry sniper" (bit of a giveaway that one).

Well, I could give you the example of all european countries that have banned the use of guns. Our "petty criminals" don't carry guns, in fact they very rarely carry knives. Because when they break into a house, they know that the worst that is waiting for them is a golf club, or a baseball bat. That way, simple house breakings don't turn into full blown gunfights. A brawl, at the worst.

Of course the "hardcore criminals" will always carry guns. But since only the police are packing, they tend not to use them as much as american gang members, for example. Because they don't need to.

I don't really think I need to link any statistics. Americas homicide rate is the second highest on the planet I believe ?

Edit to add : Just did some research on my previous statement. It appers I am wrong. America does however have the highest crime rate in the western world, and it's homicide rate is proportionally five times that of a european country like France.



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Originally posted by TaxpayersUnleashed
President Barry Soetoro

That says it all right there. That's why I as you put it gave the op a blanket generalization.

As I also said, in principal I would have agreed with him more if he hadn't put such a right wing slant on it.

My personal opinion is that as long as you aren't a convicted felon, you should be able to buy whatever gun you wish. Its our second amendment right.

But when I see someone use that name in connection with the POTUS, it just makes me cringe, cause I know there is more of a political slant to their post than is really needed.

I mean, here you are chastising me for my post as being on my high horse again. But the op's ignorance is justified? How is that equitable?

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Just to add to that, those of you concerned with facts would do well to bookmark Nation Master

Originally posted by TaxpayersUnleashed
You have done such a great job with bankrupting the nation lets add on a defenseless public as well.

It's all my fault.

Maybe the average god fearing Mexican should have guns as well so that they may be able to throw off the tyranny that is stifling them, and have a way to regain their streets from the vicious drug cartels that run them now.

This way the U.S. border could no longer be used as a steam valve to disengage internal revolution, as only an internal revolution would make the beautiful, resource rich country of Mexico a place fit for its wonderful people.

After all...

Originally posted by The Founding Fathers...in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Originally posted by Ismail
Just giving a non-american opinion here...

If we knew this was going on in Europe, we'd be flabbergasted. You mean to say that in america, you can buy armor piercing bullets, and own a military caliber gun ? And you are protesting against the fact that this is going to be made illegal ?

I think you're crazy. You have no idea how stupified I am. Really. I can't imagine why ANYONE would need 7, 62 AP rounds. It just sounds mad to me. Completely crazy.

This is because Europeans trust their governments and are "communitarians". Most people in the US are (still) individualists. Our government is a servant of the people, and we have the right under our constitution to protect ourselves from our government. I understand why Europeans are so conflict averse, but most of the reason for your recent history is that populations were unequipped and reluctant to take care of their governmental problems before they became a problem that had to be handled by Patton and Zhukov.

“So let me get this right. Eric holder wants to steal rights because Mexico is unable to control its borders and we WON'T control our borders and that is going to make it safe?”

I am not sure about the won’t be hey I get you.

Anyway I don’t buy it. I believe that is more a case of TPTB are more worried about local or nationwide armed civil insurrection when TSHTF.

T

Originally posted by Office 4256
This is because Europeans trust their governments and are "communitarians". Most people in the US are (still) individualists. Our government is a servant of the people, and we have the right under our constitution to protect ourselves from our government. I understand why Europeans are so conflict averse, but most of the reason for your recent history is that populations were unequipped and reluctant to take care of their governmental problems before they became a problem that had to be handled by Patton and Zhukov.

I'm really not sure. In germany, the national-socialists had a well armed militia before Hitler came to power. They were not armed by the state, that's for sure.

Also, there were many weapons in circulation in France at the time of the invasion. I think you are over estimating a conquered peoples combativity. In France 1 % of the population actively resisted, and less than half of them were actually "fighting" the nazis. An echo to modern day Irak. I don't think more than 1 % of the population actively engages in combating the western invaders, else it would be even worse than it is.

In the case of an invasion, most people tend just get on with things, as long as they don't change too much, or as long as the agressor is not too brutal with the civilian population.

I'd say it would be the same in America, armed or not. It's one thing owning guns and waving them around with a flag, it's another thing to actually engage in combat with a trained army. From what I've seen, most of this "from my cold dead hands" stuff is just bravado. Your second revolution would already have started if it wasn't.

On a side line, I'd also add, that unless you're allowed to own tanks and fighter jets, there is no way that a couple million armed militia infantry could stand up to a modern states military. Not in a million years. You might peeve them off for couple of years, and that's tops. If the state was serious about taking over, within one year, you'd have one million militia casualties, easy.

Which is why I don't understand this anachronic stance many americans have. Sure, back in the good old days, when a musket was a musket, two million infantry was an army. Today, even two million trained combattants with M4's are just cannon fodder for an organised military. Picked up on a spy satelite, and surgically removed by an air strike. The "from my cold dead hands" crew lost the fight when tanks and airplanes and missiles were invented, and they didn't get any.

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I guess this isn't exactly a surprise. Most of us have long since realized that this administration would be, and is, hostile to the rights of gun owners.

On the other hand, the odds that they'll actually be able to pass a new assault weapons ban in the current political climate and during an election year are almost zero. The Obama administration may be stupid enough to alienate another group of voters, but a fair number of Congressional Democrats certainly aren't. On top of it all, Holder even has the audacity to blame American gun rights for Mexico's problems. Good luck selling that bucket of **** to the American voter.

This will go nowhere.