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'Moon rock' given to Dutch museum by Apollo 11 astronots is petrified wood!
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reply to post by GoldenFleece
The dust under the lander is mostly gone. It was blown away by the rocket, leaving regolith.
You can see it happening in this clip from Apollo 14.
The dust under the lander is mostly gone. It was blown away by the rocket, leaving regolith.
You can see it happening in this clip from Apollo 14.
I remember here on ATS a couple of weeks ago, i think Buzz Aldrin said that Neil Armstrong went to mars .
Now-a-days we cant believe anyone
still cant find it, if you guys can find it, i will appreciate it.
Thanks
Now-a-days we cant believe anyone
still cant find it, if you guys can find it, i will appreciate it.
Thanks
Originally posted by CanadianDream420
What if it was petrified wood taken from the moon?????
Wow..
Two possibilities spring to mind.
Maybe the Moon was once able to sustain plant life, but that seems extremely unlikely given the lack of a water cycle or atmosphere.
But maybe it could be a piece of petrified wood from a long vanished planet, which landed on the Moon's surface as a meteorite.
I was reading that our Sun is a third generation star, meaning that there have been two previous stars which have lived out their enormous lifespans before our Sun came into existence. This piece of wood could be proof of a living world that preceded our own. Mind blowing!
I suspect the type of image procession done by NASA has some colors to appear more vivid than others. Gold is very vivid and brown scorch marks are
very faded. As for the boot marks, the angle of the shot may be dong tricks making the LM appearing closer to the photo lens and smaller than it
actually is, if this is the case its a bad choice for NASA, but you can see under the LM there is no soil but mainly rock which means it may have been
blown aside. You can probably see this amount of dust around the LM where you can see the somehow deep impressions of the boots. In the moon the soils
it has to behave somehow like flour, because of the lesser gravity and the soil composition which would appear like thin but glass like and very
reflective sand particle.
[edit on 25-2-2010 by spacebot]
Phage beat me to the explanation also with a youtube link.
He's too fast for a human.. (now there's a conspiracy)
[edit on 25-2-2010 by spacebot]
[edit on 25-2-2010 by spacebot]
Phage beat me to the explanation also with a youtube link.
He's too fast for a human.. (now there's a conspiracy)
[edit on 25-2-2010 by spacebot]
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by GoldenFleece
The dust under the lander is mostly gone. It was blown away by the rocket, leaving regolith.
How did the dust get blown away without leaving the slightest of scorch marks or depressions, especially with inch-thick bootprints in the foreground?
Why is there a small undisturbed rock directly under the LM rocket engine?
Ridiculous.
Originally posted by Phage
This has been discussed before.
The rock was not given to Drees by NASA or by the astronauts. It was presented to him by ambassador J. William Middendorf while the astronauts were visiting Holland. Middendorf got the rock from the State Department.
While Drees may have believed it to be a Moon rock it doesn't really make sense for it to have been. Moon rocks were never given to individuals and Drees had been out of office for 11 years at the time.
abcnews.go.com...
Has anyone explained why an ambassador would give out petrified wood as a gift? Was this done?
Look at the incredible mental gymnastics and self-delusions some people will go through to keep their fantasies alive:
Originally posted by spacebot
I suspect the type of image procession done by NASA has some colors to appear more vivid than others. Gold is very vivid and brown scorch marks are very faded. As for the boot marks, the angle of the shot may be dong tricks making the LM appearing closer to the photo lens and smaller than it actually is, if this is the case its a bad choice for NASA, but you can see under the LM there is no soil but mainly rock which means it may have been blown aside. You can probably see this amount of dust around the LM where you can see the somehow deep impressions of the boots. In the moon the soils it has to behave somehow like flour, because of the lesser gravity and the soil composition which would appear like thin but glass like and very reflective sand particle.
BTW, anyone find those 13,000 "missing" videotapes yet?
NASA plans new search for missing moon tapes
By SETH BORENSTEIN, Associated Press
Aug. 15, 2006, 5:13PM
WASHINGTON — Red-faced because the best pictures of its glory days are missing, NASA said today it was launching an official search for more than 13,000 original tapes of the historic Apollo moon missions.
What's missing are the never-before-broadcast clear original videos — not the grainy converted copies the world watched on television more than three decades ago.
The tapes aren't lost, insists the NASA official put in charge of the search. But he doesn't know where they are.
Most likely they are somewhere at the sprawling Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., which misplaced the tapes originally. But they also could be stored somewhere else.
The original video, taken directly from the moon and beamed to deep space network observatories in Australia, has never been seen by the general public or even NASA officials.
The entire world watched fuzzy, ghostlike images of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walking on the moon. But only a handful of technicians saw the good stuff live, sharp enough to see Armstrong's reflection in Aldrin's faceplate, said Stan Lebar, the retired Apollo television camera manager.
"The quality ... is two, three or four times better than we ever saw," said Richard Nafzger, a senior engineer at Goddard who today was put in charge of the search effort.
The original tapes played 10 frames per second in Australia, Nafzger said. But television needed 60 frames per second so each picture was repeated six times and "you'd see ghosting," he said.
Until today, the search for the tapes was a spare-time deal and retirement hobby for Nafzger and the 81-year-old Lebar — not anything organized. Now with news reports of the lost tapes and NASA wanting data for its new lunar missions, the agency ordered a search of its cosmic attics.
Nafzger hopes the hunt can be wrapped up in under six months with five workers and a bit of travel. Stored in more than 2,000 boxes, each tape lasts only 15 minutes. Everything from all 11 missions — from launch to splashdown — is on the videos, Lebar said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
www.chron.com...
NASA plans new search for missing moon tapes
By SETH BORENSTEIN, Associated Press
Aug. 15, 2006, 5:13PM
WASHINGTON — Red-faced because the best pictures of its glory days are missing, NASA said today it was launching an official search for more than 13,000 original tapes of the historic Apollo moon missions.
What's missing are the never-before-broadcast clear original videos — not the grainy converted copies the world watched on television more than three decades ago.
The tapes aren't lost, insists the NASA official put in charge of the search. But he doesn't know where they are.
Most likely they are somewhere at the sprawling Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., which misplaced the tapes originally. But they also could be stored somewhere else.
The original video, taken directly from the moon and beamed to deep space network observatories in Australia, has never been seen by the general public or even NASA officials.
The entire world watched fuzzy, ghostlike images of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walking on the moon. But only a handful of technicians saw the good stuff live, sharp enough to see Armstrong's reflection in Aldrin's faceplate, said Stan Lebar, the retired Apollo television camera manager.
"The quality ... is two, three or four times better than we ever saw," said Richard Nafzger, a senior engineer at Goddard who today was put in charge of the search effort.
The original tapes played 10 frames per second in Australia, Nafzger said. But television needed 60 frames per second so each picture was repeated six times and "you'd see ghosting," he said.
Until today, the search for the tapes was a spare-time deal and retirement hobby for Nafzger and the 81-year-old Lebar — not anything organized. Now with news reports of the lost tapes and NASA wanting data for its new lunar missions, the agency ordered a search of its cosmic attics.
Nafzger hopes the hunt can be wrapped up in under six months with five workers and a bit of travel. Stored in more than 2,000 boxes, each tape lasts only 15 minutes. Everything from all 11 missions — from launch to splashdown — is on the videos, Lebar said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
www.chron.com...
I thought this thread was about a rock, not blast-debris.
While a fascinating topic nonetheless, I'd suggest starting a new topic on the photo evidence supporting/challenging blast debris rather than hijacking this one dealing with ROCKS
Sorry that I have nothing to add other than that. I was reading this to learn about moon rocks, NOT blast debris
While a fascinating topic nonetheless, I'd suggest starting a new topic on the photo evidence supporting/challenging blast debris rather than hijacking this one dealing with ROCKS
Sorry that I have nothing to add other than that. I was reading this to learn about moon rocks, NOT blast debris
You know if you take one little incident of this whole thing like the picture that was shown of the LM with undisturbed soil being made of tin foil,
or the petrified wood given during the goodwill tour as a moon rock, or even the mentioned missing tapes, it's believeable. You know mistakes and
oopsies occur, but all of this together, I don't care what the most logical of cynics say (sorry Phage), that is lot of covering up! I think there is
very much something fishy with the whole thing!
reply to post by GoldenFleece
Amazing.
You have managed to derail your own thread.
Your anti-NASA agenda here at ATS is showing loud and clear.
FAIL.
[edit on 26/2/10 by Chadwickus]
Amazing.
You have managed to derail your own thread.
Your anti-NASA agenda here at ATS is showing loud and clear.
FAIL.
[edit on 26/2/10 by Chadwickus]
reply to post by Redwookieaz
Yep, and for anyone who's done a modicum of research, all this represents about 1% of the evidence that the Apollo missions were faked.
reply to post by Chadwickus
Well, look who's here -- the professional official story defender!
Yep, and for anyone who's done a modicum of research, all this represents about 1% of the evidence that the Apollo missions were faked.
reply to post by Chadwickus
Well, look who's here -- the professional official story defender!
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Yep, and for anyone who's done a modicum of research, all this represents about 1% of the evidence that the Apollo missions were faked.
A modicum of research doesn't mean watching biased, pseudo-science videos on youtube.
Well, look who's here -- the professional official story defender!
Better than being a BS story defender.
I'm sorry but I think this one statement alone sums up NASA
Hey brainiac, if you have something, then can't find it, it's lost. With logic like that it makes one wonder how they ever managed to get to the moon. Oh wait...
The moon landing, or.. how a few grainy movies conned the globe.
[edit on 26-2-2010 by fumanchu]
The tapes aren't lost, insists the NASA official put in charge of the search. But he doesn't know where they are
Hey brainiac, if you have something, then can't find it, it's lost. With logic like that it makes one wonder how they ever managed to get to the moon. Oh wait...
The moon landing, or.. how a few grainy movies conned the globe.
[edit on 26-2-2010 by fumanchu]
This Lunar Module stuff is a bit far away from the thread. Why would NASA give out wood fossils instead of the real thing? it is a stupid kind of
logic. The obvious thing is to give out the real stuff in small quantities even if it was not mined from the Moon. There is around 600lbs of Moonrock
that has been expelled from the Moon found on Earth, and NASA most likely has a good percentage of it, so if the Moon landings were faked, why give
out lumps of wood for goodness sake!
Originally posted by Chadwickus
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Yep, and for anyone who's done a modicum of research, all this represents about 1% of the evidence that the Apollo missions were faked.
A modicum of research doesn't mean watching biased, pseudo-science videos on youtube.
No YouTube videos here. Just a BBC article, an AP article and NASA's own photos.
Here's another:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/40e72237d0fa.jpg[/atsimg]
Does anyone (besides Chadwickus) honestly believe the U.S. went to the moon in this 2nd grade papier mache, tin foil and duct tape contraption?
reply to post by GoldenFleece
I worked as a 2W2 in the Air Force and worked on the Minuteman III project. The skin on space vehicles is typically very thin because it does not need to be thick. The lowered pressure means that the small amount of pressure in the capsules or in my case, the missile body will keep the sides from denting in. As has been stated the 'paper mache' is the insulation are not the walls. It isn't like a bulkhead and typically wide walls needed in something like a submarine. A submarine has intense pressures on it and thus the walls must be thick.
So yes I will add my hat to the arena and say I believe it to be true. A thought occurs about your blast off zone. The moon has much less gravity than our Earth and thus our escape velocity is much more. You need more boost to escape Earth than the moon. Perhaps the reason you don't see a massive hole is because the rockets did not need to be turned up near as much as say a rocket or missile trying to escape Earth's gravity.
-Kyo
I worked as a 2W2 in the Air Force and worked on the Minuteman III project. The skin on space vehicles is typically very thin because it does not need to be thick. The lowered pressure means that the small amount of pressure in the capsules or in my case, the missile body will keep the sides from denting in. As has been stated the 'paper mache' is the insulation are not the walls. It isn't like a bulkhead and typically wide walls needed in something like a submarine. A submarine has intense pressures on it and thus the walls must be thick.
So yes I will add my hat to the arena and say I believe it to be true. A thought occurs about your blast off zone. The moon has much less gravity than our Earth and thus our escape velocity is much more. You need more boost to escape Earth than the moon. Perhaps the reason you don't see a massive hole is because the rockets did not need to be turned up near as much as say a rocket or missile trying to escape Earth's gravity.
-Kyo
reply to post by KyoZero
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Not seeing a massive blast crater is one thing, but no soil indentation, no scorch marks and a 10,000-pound thrust rocket engine that's incapable of displacing small rocks?
Sorry, I just don't buy it.
BTW, have you ever seen the Apollo 11 astronaut press conference? These guys don't act and talk like they just came back from "mankind's greatest achievement." They look like they're on trial for buggering their neighbor's cat!
And Neil Armstrong's refusal to be interviewed ever since then doesn't help.
[edit on 2/26/2010 by GoldenFleece]
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Not seeing a massive blast crater is one thing, but no soil indentation, no scorch marks and a 10,000-pound thrust rocket engine that's incapable of displacing small rocks?
Sorry, I just don't buy it.
BTW, have you ever seen the Apollo 11 astronaut press conference? These guys don't act and talk like they just came back from "mankind's greatest achievement." They look like they're on trial for buggering their neighbor's cat!
And Neil Armstrong's refusal to be interviewed ever since then doesn't help.
[edit on 2/26/2010 by GoldenFleece]
reply to post by GoldenFleece
Thank you for not attacking :-p
Well I have the infamous firewall here...ATS good...youtube bad so I will watch at home.
The one thing I can say from here is that these people (as stated somewhere) have to have a PhD just to wash NASA toilets. I tend to see these astronauts as stoic. They do things that are so dangerous that nerves probably never exist in them. So I imagine a flattened affect may seem existent when really these guys are just relaxed.
Question...of course in prefect respect to you. Do you believe the rest of the space missions? (specifically ones no involving the moon)
-Kyo
Thank you for not attacking :-p
Well I have the infamous firewall here...ATS good...youtube bad so I will watch at home.
The one thing I can say from here is that these people (as stated somewhere) have to have a PhD just to wash NASA toilets. I tend to see these astronauts as stoic. They do things that are so dangerous that nerves probably never exist in them. So I imagine a flattened affect may seem existent when really these guys are just relaxed.
Question...of course in prefect respect to you. Do you believe the rest of the space missions? (specifically ones no involving the moon)
-Kyo
reply to post by GoldenFleece
Interviewed by whom? Idiots like Bart Sibrel?
Yes, he does give interviews.
www.nasa.gov...
library.thinkquest.org...
He is not interested in the limelight.
www.washingtonpost.com...
[edit on 2/26/2010 by Phage]
And Neil Armstrong's refusal to be interviewed ever since then doesn't help.
Interviewed by whom? Idiots like Bart Sibrel?
Yes, he does give interviews.
www.nasa.gov...
library.thinkquest.org...
He is not interested in the limelight.
Those who know Armstrong say his behavior has been consistent over the arc of his 78 years. Even before the world insisted on lionizing him, he was his own man, faithful to his standards: Reject personal glory. Avoid focusing on the self. Keep what's private private. Until Hansen revealed it, some of Armstrong's closest working associates never knew that Armstrong and his first wife, Janet, had a 2-year-old daughter who died of a brain tumor a few years before Armstrong went into space.
www.washingtonpost.com...
[edit on 2/26/2010 by Phage]
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