The TRUE evil of the Gay Agenda

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


Thanks for that! Brilliantly stated.

reply to post by Mr Sunchine


well part of the problem is you have no prrof that it will negatively impact society. We have a couple states who allow it...where is the precedence that it has crashed those states and indeed our country?

PS...you might wanna get used to this

Acceptance of Gays on the Rise

Gllup Poll Shows 59% of people accepting of gays

-Kyo

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by Golden Boy

 

The King James Bible, not "version", but BIBLE, is all the proof I, and millions of others, need to "prove" that God deems homosexuality as a sin - just as He deems straight sex outside of marriage as a sin.

Unfortunately, the Bible is neither evidence for his existence nor proof that he hates homosexuals if he does. Even if you can prove that a god exists, a god is not necessarily the Christian god. You have a long way to go.

Originally posted by Showbiz

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by Showbiz

 

And guess who is behind that division - yep, none other than satan.

The ones that choose to remain asleep are going to be the ones who satan will carry right on into hell with him on that last day.

Do you have any proof? I know of no satan. I was raised Catholic, and now know God as bigger than any book or religious idea.

I have experienced evil in this world, but still know of no satan. I also know that the lake of fire/Hell was a creation of man.

Besides, why is God going to burn people for ALL eternity? That does not sound like the actions of a God. Sounds more like the actions of an impotent, angry man.

I understand that some people (murderers, rapists, violent criminals) should face retribution in the afterlife, but ETERNAL DAMNATION?

I am a gay man living with my partner. I made almost six figures last year. My partner is an actor in the hottest show on Broadway. We have a normal life, live in a normal home, love one another and our friends and family.

Please explain to me how my choice of lifestyle will warrant the same ETERNAL DAMNATION as the murderers, and truly evil people.

It's interesting that you injected the information about how you made "almost six figures last year".

If you can't see with your own eyes how "worldly" you have become, then I doubt I could help you to see it any clearer.

The antichrist is going to be a hugely wealthy individual, lots of money, fame, power, influence - and if money is your motivation, then sadly, you are going to follow right behind him/her/it.

Money is, again, manmade - it's used (abused rather) for us to rate ourselves on how successful we have become, to buy us more and more and more of whatever everyone else has - so we will fit in and have bragging rights. I.e. vanity, greed, pride.

With all due respect to your views, it isn't going to matter how much money you have in your bank account or pants pockets, nor will it matter what "omgWowBroadway" play your friend is in. The only thing that is going to matter is if you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

Did you not notice what God did to Babylon for their pride and vanity? History will come full circle, my friend - it's already well on its way, if you follow the news headlines.

I don't sugar coat much, if anything - to do that would only lessen the severity of what's important in all of this - your soul. It's up to you who you sell it to though.

Here's my two cents worth.

Gays are people. Treat 'em like people. Give them the right to work, have equal benefits, marry/divorce, what have you.

For the die-hard religious, quote that little phrase "WWJD?"

I'm pretty sure he'd be all about letting gays make their own decisions, lead happy lives, free from constant harrassment.

Maybe back in the 60s there was a "Black Agenda" too???

reply to post by KyoZero


Well part of the problem is that you have no proof that over the long term it will not negatively impact society. Now I am not saying gay marriage in and of itself will be a problem, but that making marriage redifinable upon the whims of society could open a pandora's box that few recognize.

Personally, I am all for giving gay people equal rights, which they really already have if they would just create things like wills and livng wills. I think it would be much safer if we just avoided redifining marriage and created the notion of a civil union for the gay community.

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Originally posted by Mr Sunchine
reply to post by FortAnthem

 

I feel for you. I know how it can be. You cannot even discuss things like gay marriage and its long term implications on society, unlesss of course you support it. Just because a person wants to talk about possible negatve consequences that may arise from making marriage redifinable does not mean they hate gay people, but try to convince that to anyone for gay marriage.

I have never seen any logical arguments against gay marriage. The anti-gay-marriage crowd simply states that it will "destroy the family", "desecrate marriage" and that it is "unnatural". They offer no evidence for any of these claims. However, if I was presented a logical argument against gay marriage, I could be swayed.
The only problem is that FortAnthem has not presented a logical reason that gay marriage should be banned. He and his supporters have simply claimed the same things as above, with a side order of "it makes baby Jesus cry" and "it's an NWO plot". Again, they offer no evidence.
It is this I object to, not those who are against gay marriage. Bigotry, baseless hatred and prejudice have no place in this society, and so far that is all that I have seen here.

reply to post by Showbiz


Only wish I was the originator of that quote. I find all of the "Ohhh noes them gaylords gunna get us!!" to be silly at best and little more than an painfully obvious attempt at control of another's actions. And I simply cannot imagine a god that would really care.

Originally posted by Mr Sunchine
reply to post by KyoZero

 

Well part of the problem is that you have no proof that over the long term it will not negatively impact society.

Burden of proof fallacy.
FortAnthem and the other anti-gay-marriage folks here are the ones making a positive claim: that gay marriage will negatively impact society. Therefore, they must present evidence to support this claim, and until they do it is considered false. Asking for those who support gay marriage to prove that it will not have a negative impact is a logical impossibility.

reply to post by Golden Boy

Unfortunately, the Bible is neither evidence for his existence nor proof that he hates homosexuals if he does.

Now I do not really want to get into an argument about this, but the bible clearly states that God finds homosexual acts an abomination. Now don't get mad at me, because I am not saying that I agree. I just wanted to point out that what you said is not true.

reply to post by Golden Boy


God doesn't "hate" homosexuals - He loves them, as we are all instructed to do, as well.

Hate the sin, love the sinner - we are ALL sinners, but society has made some worse than others I suppose. But truth being, we are all in the same boat as far as morality, or lack of. ALL of us sin, not just occasionally but daily, minute by minute. That is how we were made - in sin and we'll die in sin if we don't accept Jesus as our Savior for our eternal salvation.

Now - you can try to twist this around to imply that it's just the straight church going homosexual "hating" people that speak out against this lifestyle - but that doesn't change one thing in God's Scriptures. And it doesn't make your accusation true. Back in the day, most of us spoke out against gays, but we did so, like hypocrites yes, behind their backs. It wasn't until the last ten years maybe that we are starting to speak out publicly and that is due to this being shoved in our faces, our children's faces, and in God's face. Christians are under no obligation to prove to anyone that the Bible is true, nor that God exists - that is what you, and others, need to understand. That "prove it" line is so overly used, and abused. I could very well sit here and say "Prove He doesn't exist" and we could go round and round all day long.

In order to believe the Bible, you have to first read it. So many people want to hold it at arm's length cursing it and the words inside. That still doesn't change what it says, and what it tells us regarding our eternal salvation.

Originally posted by nomorecruelty

Originally posted by Showbiz

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by Showbiz

 

I am a gay man living with my partner. I made almost six figures last year. My partner is an actor in the hottest show on Broadway. We have a normal life, live in a normal home, love one another and our friends and family.

Please explain to me how my choice of lifestyle will warrant the same ETERNAL DAMNATION as the murderers, and truly evil people.

It's interesting that you injected the information about how you made "almost six figures last year".

If you can't see with your own eyes how "worldly" you have become, then I doubt I could help you to see it any clearer.

The antichrist is going to be a hugely wealthy individual, lots of money, fame, power, influence - and if money is your motivation, then sadly, you are going to follow right behind him/her/it.

Money is, again, manmade - it's used (abused rather) for us to rate ourselves on how successful we have become, to buy us more and more and more of whatever everyone else has - so we will fit in and have bragging rights. I.e. vanity, greed, pride.

With all due respect to your views, it isn't going to matter how much money you have in your bank account or pants pockets, nor will it matter what "omgWowBroadway" play your friend is in. The only thing that is going to matter is if you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

Did you not notice what God did to Babylon for their pride and vanity? History will come full circle, my friend - it's already well on its way, if you follow the news headlines.

I don't sugar coat much, if anything - to do that would only lessen the severity of what's important in all of this - your soul. It's up to you who you sell it to though.

So, God sends people to hell for making money ?You averted the question I asked by zeroing in on one small point. I spoke about my income as a way to show that I am a hard working individual. I work hard to make a living, like most people in America.

You continually make points made of air. I will ask again. How is my lifestyle worthy of eternal damnation? Answer the question.

Problem is, you can't. You use tangents and religious dogma to further your ignorant points based upon blind faith. Here is a thought: how about you not bother with worrying about my soul. Worry about your own. How you have any time to worry about my soul is beyond me.

Sounds to me like you are just mad that your life stinks. Sounds to me like you are broke and mad about it.

I suppose I should go find satan and thank him for my job and my evil income.




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reply to post by Mr Sunchine


Did you not read the rest of my post? The Bible does not prove that a god exists. Even if a god exists, there is no proof that it is the Christian god, and even if it were the Christian god there is no evidence that the Christian god wrote the Bible. In the end, it was written by men, and men have altered it.

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by Golden Boy

 

God doesn't "hate" homosexuals - He loves them, as we are all instructed to do, as well.

Okay, fine. If you want to argue semantics, go ahead. But you get the point. The Bible says that your god disapproves of homosexuality.

Christians are under no obligation to prove to anyone that the Bible is true, nor that God exists - that is what you, and others, need to understand.

Actually, yes, you are, if you want anyone to believe you.

That "prove it" line is so overly used, and abused. I could very well sit here and say "Prove He doesn't exist" and we could go round and round all day long.

Except that you would be committing the burden of proof fallacy. Please read the link above.

In order to believe the Bible, you have to first read it.

I have. Like KyoZero, I am a former Catholic.

[edit on 2/25/2010 by Golden Boy]

reply to post by Showbiz


Me thinks the nwo peeps are gonna love you, my friend.



God made His rules long before "we" were ever around. He also made "us" and because of sin, we are ALL doomed to eternal damnation, not just the gays, for our sins.

God provided us a way to escape eternal damnation - but He leaves that choice up to us. He also leaves the choice of whether we choose to believe in Him, to us, as well.

How is *your* lifestyle "worthy" of eternal damnation? Same way as mine is - if I don't accept Jesus as my Savior, repent and TURN from the sin(s).

It's really simple if you don't get caught up in the "world" and all of the "sin" that is running rampant out here. Okay, I take that back, it isn't that simple (LOLOL) but I keep my eyes on God and Heaven - not this piddly tiny speck of a planet filled with worldly, sinful, greedy people that want to try to make their sins acceptable for the rest of us.

reply to post by Golden Boy


Yes I did read all of your post. I agree that the Bible does not in and of itself prove that God exists. However if there were a Christian God that followed the defintion of the God in the Bible then it would be clear from the Bible that a Christian God would oppose homosexual acts.

You can prove it was written by men, but you cannot prove it wasn't written by men who were led by God to write exactly what was written word for word.

Originally posted by Mr Sunchine
reply to post by Golden Boy

 

Yes I did read all of your post. I agree that the Bible does not in and of itself prove that God exists. However if there were a Christian God that followed the defintion of the God in the Bible then it would be clear from the Bible that a Christian God would oppose homosexual acts.

Note the bolded part.

Until such time as the existence of said god is proven, there is absolutely no reason to believe that homosexuality is against his will. After all, we don't go around saying that homosexuality is against the will of Krishna. That which does not exist cannot disapprove.

You can prove it was written by men, but you cannot prove it wasn't written by men who were led by God to write exactly what was written word for word.

Again, please read the link I provided about the burden of proof. You are making a positive claim - that the Bible is word-for-word written according to God's expectations. There is no reason to believe this to be true.

reply to post by SuperSlovak

So when do the gays start their attack? It's been quiet on the front.

Slovak I guess there really is a first for everything. A star for you.

reply to post by nomorecruelty


First off, we are not friends. I make it a practice to avoid ignorant people in my life.

In regards to your "answer": LAME! That was a terrible answer. For the record, I accepted Jesus in fourth grade.

Here is another question about Buddhist monks. Are they going to hell? Men who devote their life to charity and people, but may never "accept Jesus as lord and savior." Are they on their way to ETERNAL DAMNATION as well?

Try really hard to formulate a cohesive response, please.

reply to post by Golden Boy


It seems that it comes down to an individuals personal belief system. You may choose to believe in no God at all and so then you are free from whatever behavior that God finds acceptable or unacceptable. However, someone else may believe in God and then are going to choose to try to live under the guidelines set by their God. Fact is we cannot prove whether God exists or not, at least at the moment, so we are each going to base what is right or wrong on the basis of our individual understanding of God and his existence.

I could make a case that no God exists and therefore there are no rights and wrongs. So then you could justity things like murder or pedophillia on the basis or evolution or I could justify things like beastiality on the idea that some people are born with a physical attraction to animals. So I guess what I am saying is that if there is no God then who is to say what is ultimately right or wrong beyond what feels right to them in that particular moment.