A million library books to be sent down the mines

Since many believe that 2012 is a repetitive cycle of destruction that occurs and destroys mankind from time to time. So it must make some sense to conclude that those previous civilizations that came before would have thought of such a idea as burying books or seeds or whatever in deep caves. Since it hasn't worked so far in the history of mankind, then this latest effort I believe is doomed for failure as well.

I believe that this old trick has probably been thought of before and if it didn't work before, why does anyone think it will work again?

It is off world planning that will save the inhabitants of Earth and not until we accept that fact will anything turn out different.

Ok i just had to chime in on this. The motive for this action seems plausible, makes sense. But isnt this the same kind of technique they use to hide true intentions from people. Like Area 51's supposed "dual" purpose" etc.. etc... Space missions as well..

You think that every time the shuttle is in orbit preforming routine repairs that they might not secretly complete another mission for national security? And i think North Korea has pretty much owned the art of deception for alot of it's citizens.

So it is possible, regardless of Occam's razor, that this is not the real reason. Just a very good cover up. They may not even plan on doing any repairs to the library. I am sure however Occam's razor will be prevailing in this particular case about books. It has however stimulated my mind to think of a lot of things that just don't add up.

Oh yeah in case of theoretical "flood's" or "ocean rise", did anybody even check the elevation of this mine. That could play a factor on whether or not water could be an issue. It also could be hermetically sealed as well.

What i don't get is something is going on. And it has happened before. Niburu, Myans, BLEH!!!... I dont care... but something is happening. It may not be 2012, or it may be in 300 years. There is too many weird things that have happened and/or are occurring.

Global warming/Cooling (climate change regardless)
Solar oddities (heliosphere, irregular cycle activity)
bee disappearance
geological proof of ice age cycles.
deluge records in ancient texts.
increase activity (so it seems) of meteors.
Seed bank.
Book Bank.
mass extinction in the past.
And more...


No theory intended... but you know the sun has cycles, why can't the earth.. what if that cycle is every 10,000 years... or whatever. Not due to any wild conspiracy, just a cycle due to whatever extra solar influence it may be etc... etc..
Whatever... maybe God just gets bored and yawns.. BOOM...

I know im gonna get flamed... ready and waiting. And apologies in advance.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


So, I'm not solid on a lot of this evidence, so I'll leave it alone until I look into it. (If I ever get a chance to look into it. I want to; I'm really interested in legitimately approaching 2012 stuff from a skeptical perspective, but I'm really interested in so many things that I probably won't get a chance.) But the stuff I am solid on, or at least solid enough on to ask deeper questions. And please recall that I am NOT attacking you. I am asking these questions legitimately. I doubt you are correct, but i do not deny that you could be. I am asking to learn the answers, not to show that you do not know them.

1) Where does the cycle of the precession of the equinoxes start? It seems to me that it could start from any old position along its course, and that one of its cycles could be said to ending at every moment. It just now completed one cycle, measured from one starting point. What is the starting point for the cycle, and what is the basis for choosing it? (A little research indicates the alignment of the Winter Solstice Sun with the Galactic Equator; This still seems a little arbitrary to me, for various reasons having to do with the motion of the sun which I can break down later if you like.)

2) What is this evidence to do with the I-Ching? That it has the proper number of entries to POSSIBLY be a lunar calendar for the chinese? Where is the other evidence for this?

3) So many people CAN be wrong about 2012. So many people were wrong about the sun orbiting the Earth. So many people have been wrong about dozens, hundreds, if not many many many thousands of things before. You cannot defend a claim by "this many people believe it!"

4) I would love to do my own research, but you have said that your research has shown it to be utterly undeniable. A part of research, a part of the scientific process, is not hoarding your results to yourself. If you hide your research and tell other people to do it themselves, you are both selfish and a bad researcher. If your research has proven it to be absolute fact, you have a responsibility to share this with the rest of the world, or at least solid guidelines for achieving the exact same results you have achieved.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


Spiral Petroglyphs? *looks them up* OMG A SPIRAL. THEY MUST HAVE SEEN THE NORWAY SPIRAL BEFORE. NO ONE HAS EVER DRAWN A SPIRAL FOR ANY OTHER REASON. OH man, my best friend draws spirals -- is she from ancient times trying to warn us?! Nautilisks -- they have spiral shells, are they the remnants of doom-bringing aliens?

--Okay actually that last idea is pretty cool.

And yes, this one is kind of an attack on your ideas. I apologize for that. But seriously -- what makes these spirals so different from other spirals?

reply to post by Flighty


Wroooooong. This is one library being closed down. These reference books and the information and England's history all continues to exist in other libraries which are open and undisturbed.

reply to post by mars1


Yes we know you are thinking of the seed vault. You can stop saying that now. You are thinking of the seed vault.

Originally posted by djmolecular
So it is possible, regardless of Occam's razor, that this is not the real reason. Just a very good cover up. They may not even plan on doing any repairs to the library. I am sure however Occam's razor will be prevailing in this particular case about books. It has however stimulated my mind to think of a lot of things that just don't add up.

Occam's razor has no place whatsoever in this matter, it is a tool for getting to the base of logic in philosophy, not a way of discerning truth of a news story. For example: a bank gets robbed. I am the person responsible but because the robber was wearing a mask, only i know this fact. However, i actually got my friend to outsource the actual robbing to a friend of his, who for all I know, could have outsourced it again to someone else. Occam's Razor would suggest that I did the robbing myself but clearly this is not the case, the plot could be stupidly complicated.

reply to post by Frakkerface


Well said about Occam's Razor, but you missed a few facts.

Occam's Razor can be stated in a couple of ways: "Don't needlessly multiply entities" is the original formulation, but this is kind of iffy for modern understanding. The more common way is "All other knowledge being equal, the simplest answer is the most likely." So in your situation, the simplest answer for people who saw the robbery and know you were responsible is that you were the man in the mask. But the simplest answer for you is that it was the friend your friend outsourced to. This does not discount the possibility that it was someone your friend's friend outsourced to, but so far as you know it is simplest that person 3 (with you as person 1) did it.

reply to post by Solasis


The precession of the equinox's starts and stops at the same spot. Just like Jan 1st marks the same spot in rotation around the sun. The difference between and earth year, and a solar system year, is that during the time we cross through our starting point, we are crossing the line that divides the pull of gravity in the galaxy. The Galactic center is a very strong force, which is pulling everything around it. It pulls from one direction until you reach the halfway point, and then it pulls from the other direction beyond that point. A shift you can call it, a shift in weight. When you draw a circle with your hand, your finger goes down, stops, then goes back up. Well that is what is happening here on earth, in 2012, its going to stop spinning in one direction and start in another, because the pull of the galaxy is coming from the opposite side. It's why the magnetic field is weakening so much. Anyway, do your own research. If you want to find things out, you have to put in your own time. Because I haven't kept all my results, or all my sources, because there is simply to much to keep. There are all sorts of books out there, and the internet, from respected sites, has all the information you need.

As for people being wrong about 2012, first of all, the mayas, knew the earth orbited the sun. They knew the earth was round. They knew how many planets there were. They knew about hundreds of stars that are not visible to the naked eye. They knew how long a year was. They knew about sun spot cycles. They knew exactly when there would be an eclipse down to the minute, 2000 years ahead of their time. They knew things that scientists are still discovering today. They have never been wrong. The mayas was the most advanced civilization in astronomy and mathematics, we've ever known. So to ignore their long count calendar, at its most crucial time, seems to be pretty dumb to me.

Spirals. Google, petroglyph spirals. Google Norway Spiral. Compare the two pictures. The petroglyph spirals have been there for thousands of years. They look exactly like the norway spiral. No one can give us a real answer as to what the norway spiral was. Odd? Does it really look like a russian missle explosion to you? Really? Because if it is, thats the weirdest explosion I have ever seen. Amazing how they could bend the light and make it a perfect spiral, it wasn't even an out of control spiral. And it was so slow.. Thats a hell of a missle. Or maybe. Just maybe. It was a sign, that ancients saw in the past, and drew on walls in caves, in mountainous regions only. Because they saw it before something major happened. They put it there to warn people maybe? That spiral only appears all over the goddamn world. On cave walls. as if they were living in the caves for shelter. Look it up. The ancients have no motive to lie to us. Modern governments do. They don't want to cause panic, so they don't tell us anything. They make excuses. And people eat it all up and think everything is fine. Nothing major can ever happen to us. We don't live in a major universe with constant change or anything, lets just be ignorant to anything that might change the little bubble of a world we live in. Ugh.Get real. Look at the signs around you. The vatican library is closed. There is a huge seed bank. Denver Airport cost 3 billion over budget. That's a lot. There is a huge crop area for growing many different things 45 miles away from the airport. They have a fuel system of 1000 gallons a minute, and a major water treatment facility. They have been digging underground tunnels. All in denver airport. Look it up. Stop taking my word for it. Stop not believing things without seeing facts. Start preparing, and helping others. I'm not the type of person to believe these things either, until I actually looked into it.

This thread is about Manchester library right?

Just checking - not that there aren't some valid comments being made - BUT THEY MIGHT DESERVE THEIR OWN THREAD!

You know?

Dammit, I hate using caps-lock - you made me do a sad.

as a bibliophile and also a wannabe caver and visitor of many caves I know the only reason they chose that site was as others said for natural ie free temperature and humidity regulation. Its great for books.
Theres a good book by walter moers called the City of Dreaming Books, they keep all the books underground for more space and because they keep better.
The date is just a coincidence, 2013 is simply when they will be ready.
my opinion.

for sure the only stronghold in the united state for precious artifacts , items is Iron Mountain video here www.youtube.com...

so this is kind of interesting why underground

snippit

ONE million books from Manchester's Central Library – including valuable volumes dating back to the 15th century - are to be put into temporarily storage with many going deep underground in the Cheshire salt mines.

save it from ruin ? na save the books from ruin .

is there are any other place's doing the same thing beside IRON Mountain

ill be back to revile my findings

look at this while im looking

www.undergroundvaults.com...

[edit on 24-2-2010 by Wolfenz]

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


What I read every time you say "do your own research" is "I don't actually have any information that is distinct from what everyone already 'knows', so I won't bother to share what I claim is proof positive."

Plenty of people who have looked at all the information have reached the conclusion that it's BS. And I am fairly confident that "the gravitational pull of the galactic center will reverse the direction of the precession of the equinoxes, and that is also why the magnetic field is getting weaker" is utter BS.

reply to post by Solasis


The reason I say do your own research, is simple. There is to much to type here. I could go on and on and on, and in the end, you'd ask me for my sources which, are so many, I'd spend 3 hours on a post just copying them all down. I have given you the key things to look up. They are all connected. Look them up one at a time and you'll see what I'm talking about. Don't call anything BS until you have done this. You're the skeptic trying to disapprove of it, yet, you're unwilling to look into it. So if you really want to know, do your own research. I've given you a bunch of starting points, connect the dots yourself. Here, www.youtube.com... thats a start. Watch all 13 parts of that. And, google everything you see in those vids and find out if they're true or false. And if that doesn't convince you, then you're a lost cause.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


ahhh... so this is the kind of "research" you do...

very thorough.

reply to post by mars1


While I do agree that it is somewhat, ok, very strange, I must point out that it seems to me a salt mine would have very low humidity because of the salt. Humidity destroys books because of the mildew and mold that develop on the paper. Once it begins, it can quickly spread and destroy books. I am a librarian and I had to discard a lot of books after Hurricane Ivan and my library being without electricity for months..This actually might be a cost effective way of storing books without needing a lot of room and air conditioning. What do you think?

Originally posted by seethelight
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ahhh... so this is the kind of "research" you do...

very thorough.

That link is not the kind of research i do. That's just a very small piece in a very large puzzle. It's just something that puts some key things into perspective. There is much more. I have spent almost 2 years of my life dedicated to researching this, so don't try to insult me. I am convinced beyond a doubt that a major world changing event is coming. I cannot say for sure on dec.21 2012, but definitely within the next few years. Maybe this year, maybe 2014. It doesn't matter. Evidence points to something major happening very soon. If you're too ignorant to do research and prove me wrong. Then don't bother commenting.

In Pennsylvania the entire south western part of the state is like an ant farm. Coal mines and caves are used for everything from vehicle storage to growing mushrooms. There is even an underground records storage facility near Pittsburgh that contains some government records. I would not be surprised that they would use the mines but there would have to be concerns over moisture. So I would assume the facility is something more.

Hi all,

I've done a little digging into this and it turns out that Manchester is not the only libary to be closed for renovation recently. See the link below.

pigs-in-the-parlor.blogspot.com...

As the website in the link shows this is not just libarys closing but museums and various other places of interest around the world which would hold important works/information.

All these closures have also been follow by a number of museum directors resigning under 'unclear' circumstances.

Strange??

Sorry if this has already been posted.

Thanks,

nlead

Come on people, stop trying to look for a story.

I have sent 2 boxes of backup tapes down the very same mine this week. We keep all kinds of old project data down there as it is far cheaper than using office space as an archive.

Lots of local organisations use the same facility, its not some big government ark project, its just a big old salt mine full of boxes of archived data.

When boxes come back they are completely unaffected by the salt or moisture. I've not been myself but I know people in my office who have visited the site, its nothing sinister.

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Thanks for that i do not think it's been posted here makes you think but im not thinking there's anything sinister in this anymore but you never know so i will keep an open mind and see what else pops up.

THANKYOU

This whole concept of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to move books underground scares me. If they start moving the art and jewlery out of muesums it should be very obvious whats happening. One simple rule in looking for the truth if you see or smell smoke there is a fire.
Nothing feels normal anymore, the last decade was truely awful.

reply to post by Dockman45


Hi! In the winter of 1974 my father decided to store our family boat in the mines in Pittsburgh. We drove down deep into the mine, it was the creepiest experience. When we went back to get the boat six months later it was covered in coal dust filth. Needless to say we never stored the boat there again. I think this would be really dirty air for someones lungs.
I wouldn't store anything down there unless its really crated up good.