What is wrong in Texas, in the USA?

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
I do know WTF I am talking about. I could whack you in the head with a base ball bat and you wouldn't be able to reproduce with a prostitute.
Quite similar to a fruit fly experiment IMO

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instantly thought of this.

Did it ever occur to anyone that BOTH theories are incorrect? Or, at least incomplete and only partially telling the whole story?

Why is it so difficult for people to consider the possibility - Nay, the PROBability - that we were seeded here on this planet by an advanced civilization?

It is the most plausible explanation - and, there is evidence for it everywhere, with more coming to light each and every day.

The cool part is this would fall in line with the creationist camp while being completely scientific at the same time - Yes, we were 'created', but not by some fictitious, all-knowing, unseen bearded man in the sky that watches our every move.

Now, THEN there're the people that say, 'well who created them, then?!'

A valid question.

I believe in evolution... over time [edit: and, given the right circumstances], ANYthing is possible, including the 'tornado thru a junkyard creating a Boeing 747' analogy I gave before. That would be where our 'alien ancestors' came from - a place where a Loooooong evolution was given the perfect circumstances (and time) to succeed. But, not here. Not on earth - not in the timelines we're talking about and with the scientific evidence that has been presented (or lack, there of, more specifically)!

Conversely, there is no God or Gods (sorry), only entities that visited, and perhaps stayed for a short time, that possessed capabilities simply incomprehensible to the people witnessing them - Jesus, look at ALL of the world religions: the 'crazy' words that you are reading right now are precisely what has been recorded by ancient civilizations throughout history.

Anyway, that's my story, and the one I'm sticking to until someone comes up with a better idea. I grew up, a full-on Evolution/Darwinian supporter - not anymore.

Back to you guys.

Oh, and the post above me is hilarious - I'll be using that one soon








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So you are saying a space ship from some place we no nothing about dropped off a few unwanted pets and then booked back to their neighbor hood. Like a inter galactic Noah's arc.
I have been discussing things with a couple guys that I think believe this too.

My cant in an attempt to pull it all together is --The first life form self created from elements and able to reproduce fits the creation bill. Everything there after is evolution.
Everyone should shake hands and go back to square dancing and torturing flies.

DON"T MESS WITH TEXAS

reply to post by Donny 4 million

The first life form self created from elements and able to reproduce fits the creation bill. Everything there after is evolution.

Actually, you have it exactly backwards (IMHO): The first life form 'evolved' and 'created' everything else.

Macro-Evolution IS possible, not denying that - but, we can only account for micro-evolution here on earth.

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OK, here is such a post:

post by Donny 4 million

If you can't remember what you post, I have no idea how you expect to have a discussion. I'm not lying. The fact you don'[t understand it, and yet are in here saying it's nonsense, is you railing against it.

The definition of "species" is well defined, and so are the results of speciation in a lab.

Fruit flies mutated into a new species are a new species. "Fruit fly" isn't a species.

Thanks, internet tough guy! WOO TEXAS! YEEAH!!!eleventyonee111

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Pretty much every post you've made in this thread shows just how much you know about evolution. The fact you thought abiogenesis was part of evolution is a great start.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


The theory of evolution has every piece of biological evidence ever found in support of it. It is correct. It is not 100% accurate, but it is correct. You seem to not understand the difference.

Creationism, by its very definition, is not scientific, and as such has zero evidence supporting it. Zero. Nothing. Nilch. Nada.

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
I believe in evolution... over time, ANYthing is possible, including the 'tornado thru a junkyard creating a Boeing 747' analogy I gave before. That would be where our 'alien ancestors' came from - a place where a Loooooong evolution was given the perfect circumstances (and time) to succeed. But, not here. Not on earth - not in the timelines we're talking about and with the scientific evidence that has been presented (or lack, there of, more specifically)!

The Universe is about 13,7 billion years old. Life started on Earth some 3.7 billion years ago. So the difference is 10 billion years. Did evolution of life (as we know it) get a huge head start somewhere else? The answer is a solid "no". Why? Because a number of star generations was needed so that finally there were enough heavy elements (made inside stars, released as stars went supernova) for life to exist.

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Apparently space-faring species evolved in a few billion years out of nothing but hydrogen and helium, and had the ability to cross vast stretches of interstellar void at approaching the speed of light. That makes sense.



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I understand that. There are a LOT of factors that must be considered here - Time is only one of them, albeit a very integral one. That doesn't mean that the situation was MORE ideal somewhere else.

Example: Baking a cake - basically takes the same amount of time (hours, not days or years) no matter where you do it, for the most part. But alterations to altitude, pan size, ingredients, sequence of events, etc. would all be contributing factors that can, on a relative scale, make a massive difference.








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Yeah. I'm just saying that there is no planet out there in which life had order(s) of magnitude more time to develop. Of course multicellular life is a relatively new thing on Earth, maybe that started a few billion years earlier somewhere else..

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Interesting spinoff to this thread. Lets retitle it "Did Texans evolve from monkeys".

Since I'm not from Texas, and it the poll doesn't emotinally irk me, I see it as a poll, possibly even meant to show this view. Are 30 % of the people on earth stupid? YES! ok case closed.

Why I really decided to post was because of where this thread went and the fact that I "NEVER" agree with weedwhacker on anything.

I am a former atheist that believed 100% in macro/micro evolution. You can see the patterns in nature, it doesn't take a genius or a trained eye. It is a very plausible theory.

The problem, as some have eluded to, is in the extinctions of species not the evolution. What event or non event helped those animals into extinction? If we could answer that question for most failed species, we would know a lot more about why the others survived.

I don't want to get too ET with this, but I'll say.. I agree with weedwhacker, and that is a first!!

Originally posted by sticky
The problem, as some have eluded to, is in the extinctions of species not the evolution. What event or non event helped those animals into extinction? If we could answer that question for most failed species, we would know a lot more about why the others survived.

What happened to dodo? Humans!
What happened to T-rex? An asteroid!

As you see the answer depends on the species. There are some traits (trends), such as large size, that make species more vulnerable to extinction..

Originally posted by sticky


The problem, as some have eluded to, is in the extinctions of species not the evolution. What event or non event helped those animals into extinction? If we could answer that question for most failed species, we would know a lot more about why the others survived.

Species go extinct .. this is natural a lot of the time.
Like with environmental changes, some species will adapt to the new changes and even evolve to suit the changes better, other will not be able to adept and they will die off.

If the change is to fast or drastic all species may go extinct.

We understand fully the effects extinction has on evolution/life and vise versa

They are not "fail species" The number of extinct species greatly out numbers species currently alive. It is something like 99% of species that have ever been on earth are now extinct !

When one species goes extinct other species chances increases. The most common example for this, Dinosaurs and Mammals. Mammals were no match for the dinosaurs. When a mass extinction happens the larger species have a lot less chance of survival. As they say ... the rest is history

Another cool Evolution/Extinction connection is negative selection.
Here is a great page about this. (I don't want to bore everyone with a long post )

www.nature.com...

The main consequence of negative selection is the extinction of less-adapted variants. If the best-adapted variant does not change because it is at a stable local optimum, then negative selection will remove all new variants for that optimal trait.

I am trying to show we have a pretty good understanding of why extinction happens, and why extinction is so important to evolution

The living species have adapted and evolved to this point in time.
That said species go extinct all the time, it is a cycle that will never change.

Simply put .. The world changes, Your competitors evolve, Keep up or gtfo of the way.

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Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by davesidious

 

You see davesidious--- you just made this up.

"For someone railing against evolution so much, it might help to have a basic understanding of it."


Can you show where I rail against evolution?

Show proof of the beginning of life. That is creation.

An ambigious diversion link does not address the lie above.

Quote where I rail against evolution or remain a liar
I have never railed against evolution. I will alert the mods.

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try watching this video with an open mind and see what you think afterwards

www.youtube.com...=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=1EvM1wBGKcs&v=szBTl3S24MY

it is very possible and i happen to believe it as well. I find that we all come from rock is the biggest hoax ever. then over hundreds of thousands of years that rock cooled from rains and made a primordial soup which we came from...... riiiiight. and we're the fools?

Over 97% of all speices that ever lived have gone extinct. God sure made a lot of mistakes before he got us right...


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it is very possible and i happen to believe it as well. I find that we all come from rock is the biggest hoax ever. then over hundreds of thousands of years that rock cooled from rains and made a primordial soup which we came from...... riiiiight. and we're the fools?

Yes, you are the fool if you believe God waived his hand one day, created everything, and then never looked or talked to it again.

Maybe, if you took the time to actually learn and understand evolution, instead of what your preacher babbled to you, you would see that God didn't just do it.



[edit on 3-3-2010 by tooo many pills]

Originally posted by tooo many pills
Over 97% of all speices that ever lived have gone extinct. God sure made a lot of mistakes before he got us right...


reply to post by SlapBassist531

 

it is very possible and i happen to believe it as well. I find that we all come from rock is the biggest hoax ever. then over hundreds of thousands of years that rock cooled from rains and made a primordial soup which we came from...... riiiiight. and we're the fools?

Yes, you are the fool if you believe God waived his hand one day, created everything, and then never looked or talked to it again.

Maybe, if you took the time to actually learn and understand evolution, instead of what your preacher babbled to you, you would see that God didn't just do it.



[edit on 3-3-2010 by tooo many pills]

Well golly gee why don't you git ur educated ole sell right up here
and tell us all how it was done. Duh and do it wit da theory of evolution.
Hee HA

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


How do you define "stupidity"? Or intelligence, for that matter?

Book larnin'? Or the common sense that gets people through their daily lives?

Because their science knowledge is lacking doesn't in any way make them "stupid". Or even uneducated...they may have other priorities in life.

So they don't know the dinosaurs and early man didn't coexist? Oh, wow, the world is doomed...

Forgive me if I don't see the emergency here...

reply to post by Donny 4 million


You rail against evolution every time you say it is either improbably or impossible. That's in pretty much every other post you've made in this forum. What is so hard to understand? Do you know what "rail against" means?

Alert the mods all you want!

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

You rail against evolution every time you say it is either improbably or impossible. That's in pretty much every other post you've made in this forum. What is so hard to understand? Do you know what "rail against" means?

Alert the mods all you want!

I have notified the mods. You are without merit if you can go around and make false statements about members. You do not even have the integrity to provide a quote where I rail against evolution. When you falsely accuse someone you lose all credibility. Yeah, I know. Like you care.
Why would anyone believe anything you say.