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reply to post by Donny 4 million


Of course the theory of evolution doesn't have anything to say about the beginning of life. Just as the theory of gravity doesn't, either. That is a different phenomenon, called abiogenesis. For someone railing against evolution so much, it might help to have a basic understanding of it.

I am not really surprised by this, as it seems colleges now are more about indoctrinating people and narrowing minds instead of expanding them.

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
reply to post by nophun

 

Wow - reading comprehension is a mother, ain't it?

Please, tell me where I said I was a creationist?
[I'm not]

Just, no longer an evolutionist, either (BOTH camps are severely flawed)

This is well said. If they would look for similarities instead of differences
there would be no fight.

reply to post by Donny 4 million


There are no similarities. One is based on empirical evidence, with no dissenting finds since its inception, and the other was made up by bronze-aged desert dwellers to explain where they came from, based on whatever the author was thinking about that day.

for instance

2,000 years ago there were no microscopes or world travel,--- they did the best they could.
They have always have said it's in the blood ---and it is!! chromosomes and DNA
Life could have started in a slime bubble---- creation
Life could have started at a volcanic ocean vent---creation.
The first life form could have been god or (pick a name like bacterium multiplious godacious)
It's all good.

reply to post by Donny 4 million


Darn I am getting good with this mind reading. See my post above D-sidious

reply to post by Donny 4 million


The theory of how life began is abiogenesis, as I already told you. That has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

reply to post by davesidious


You see davesidious--- you just made this up.

"For someone railing against evolution so much, it might help to have a basic understanding of it."


Can you show where I rail against evolution?

Show proof of the beginning of life. That is creation.
explain abiogenesis

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by davesidious

 

Show proof of the beginning of life. That is creation.
explain abiogenesis

Why do you not seem to understand evolution is the study of living things changing over time.

When "creation" is used it implies the idea of a supernatural creator of the Earth and all living things.
en.wikipedia.org...

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reply to post by Donny 4 million


You rail against the theory of evolution every time you trot out those tired, old, inaccurate quotes about the statistical improbability of evoltion, or of speciation.

I'm not here to pick up the pieces left by an insufficient education! Here's the simplified wikipedia article on abiogenesis. If you don't trust wikipedia, then at least read the cited sources (as that's how encyclopaediae work.

reply to post by Donny 4 million


I just saw this gem. Incredible. Really? You don't know? OK. Here's wikipedia's article on "speciation". Read the cited sources. Notice how they made new fruit fly species, not to mention animal husbandry, etc.

It's all there if you'd be bothered to look. It's not as if I'm actually performing these experiments for you - they're taught in most schools. Good schools, that is.

reply to post by davesidious


I guess I will have to call you a liar here unless you can quote me.

You lied about this twice so far.

"You rail against the theory of evolution every time you trot out those tired, old, inaccurate quotes about the statistical improbability of evoltion, or of speciation"

This is from your crap link that proves nothing about creation.

Scientists suck AND GOD BLESS TEXAS

Please show the members that the crap below is creation. Use all the bogus suedo education you can muster. A fraud could do better.

Even though it has a great impact on biology and how people understand the world, Abiogeneis is in fact a very limited field of study. Progress is sometimes slow, but If progress is made, now and then, it causes big attention. This is because the question investigated is so important. There are several theories: The most notable are called iron-sulfur world theory (also called Metabolism first) and RNA world hypothesis (also called genetics first).[7]

Theory, theory, hypothesis if progress is made. Freekin progress in a freekin theory WOW .



BTW your fruit fly crap is just crap as well. You don't know a mutation from a species. Please dial this link up and learn.

Are fruit flies mutated in labs still just fruit flies?

Sep 19, 1999 ... "The stubborn fruit fly has endured every genetic indignity possible, ... New Species. Just because they're still fruit flies, does not mean ...

www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/fruit_fly.html - Similar


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reply to post by nophun


Where and why do you get the idea I know nothing about evolution?
Got a quote?
Are you another davesidious type?

I think I first noticed when you said...

But, alas evolution does not address the Very start or the beginning of life itself. Science is still to dumb for that.

Evolution has nothing to do with "beginning of life" yet you called science "dumb" "for that"

Oh this is one of my favorites from you .. it really shows your understanding of evolution.

Fred Hoyle once said, "the likelihood of organic molecules spontaneously assembling themselves into a living organism is equal to the likelihood of a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and correctly assembling a Boeing 747 - even bacteria, the smallest living organisms, are incredibly complex."

Saying Evolution is anything like a tornado hitting a junk yard and correctly assembling a Boeing 747 may very well be the single most retarded statements I have ever heard.

Are fruit flies mutated in labs still just fruit flies?

Sep 19, 1999 ... "The stubborn fruit fly has endured every genetic indignity possible, ... New Species. Just because they're still fruit flies, does not mean ...

www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/fruit_fly.html - Similar

Okay I don't know who is more confused, me or you.

What are you trying to say here?


edit ..

You never read the page you linked did you ?

Are fruit flies mutated in labs still just fruit flies?

Let me finish the text you quoted ..

Just because they're still fruit flies, does not mean that they are still the same species. In fact, lots of researchers have created two populations of fruit flies that each breed among themselves, but that refuse to breed with with the other type. By definition, those two populations are different species.

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Serious question. Did you just google a well known creationist quote and got a surprise by the first result giving the correct answer ?

"The stubborn fruit fly has endured every genetic indignity possible, but so far not one has ever produced anything except another fruit fly" -Ian Taylor


Google "Ian Taylor creation" and see how scientific this man is.




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Sorry, but I don't see this as necessarily an ignorance of science but as a difference in beliefs. There is no way to scientifically disprove the existence of a creator, nor prove with 100% certainty how the earth as we know it came about. Therefore it extends beyond the realm of science. There are even some scientists who believe in a creator...certainly they can’t be called ignorant. The fact is, no matter what you believe about the origin of the earth, there’s an element of faith.

That being said, most Americans probably ARE ignorant of science, politics, and well, just about everything except hollywood and sports. But polls that can be affected by beliefs are not an accurate way to determine this.

reply to post by nophun


Thanks for being decent enough to bring this forward.

No. 1 Then science is clueless to the beginning of eveloution. They can only guess the beginning of life, the origin of all species.
Dumb- incomplete.
No science has created life. What the hell do they know here.
Speculation at best. Creation is equally as plausible. although not in the biblical sense IMO


No. 2 Shows you lack of understanding quotes. That is someone else's quote.
I pointed out that you cannot have organic molecules until you have life. Life itself is ORGANIC,
All else is inorganic. Elements etc.

No 3--Science has never created a new species. Davesidious, possibly

From Wikipedia
[edit] Biologists' working definition
A usable definition of the word "species" and reliable methods of identifying particular species is essential for stating and testing biological theories and for measuring biodiversity. Traditionally, multiple examples of a proposed species must be studied for unifying characters before it can be regarded as a species. It is generally difficult to give precise taxonomic rankings to extinct species known only from fossils.

Some biologists may view species as statistical phenomena, as opposed to the traditional idea, with a species seen as a class of organisms. In that case, a species is defined as a separately evolving lineage that forms a single gene pool. Although properties such as DNA-sequences and morphology are used to help separate closely-related lineages, this definition has fuzzy boundaries.[1] However, the exact definition of the term "species" is still controversial, particularly in prokaryotes,[2] and this is called the species problem.[3] Biologists have proposed a range of more precise definitions, but the definition used is a pragmatic choice that depends on the particularities of the species concerned.[3]

reply to post by HarvestMoon


STAR
A more diplomatic way of saying what I would like to say.
Dumb may be a little harsh. Force fit may be more reasonable.

It is like you refuse to learn. The study of evolution is the study of changes in living organisms! It is not the job of evolutionary biologists to find out what started life on Earth. How thick can you be? If you want to talk about the begging of life go start a thread about biopoesis.

You keep bringing it up like evolution has to answer something it has nothing to do with before you will believe it, showing you have no clue what the theory of evolution is.

Inanimate matter to life is not evolution, get this in your head please. Go be annoying is one of the god did it threads if you want to discuss this more because that is what you are trying to get at.

Speculation at best. Creation is equally as plausible. although not in the biblical sense IMO

Sure! you can believe this and I can believe in exogenesis and my friend john can believe it was primordial soup ... Still does not have anything to do with evolution.

No. 2 Shows you lack of understanding quotes. That is someone else's quote. I pointed out that you cannot have organic molecules until you have life. Life itself is ORGANIC, All else is inorganic. Elements etc.

No matter what you say now, you posting the 747 example will always show how much you know about evolution. I was not joking when I said it is one of the most retarded statements I may have ever heard. I know you quoted someone, that does not change the fact you felt the need to share the stupidity with us. It is right up there with crocoduck.

It is wrong if you have not figured it out. It would take a "Godly" tornado to create a complete airplane out of a junk pile... obviously.

No 3--Science has never created a new species. Davesidious, possibly

Yes I am very aware of the species problem .. again I am not so sure you are

Species consists of populations of organisms that can reproduce with one another and that are reproductively isolated from other such populations.

This is pretty much the "standard".

I know you seem to hate reading but I recommend (again) that you read the page you linked

And yes the flies that Davesidious brought up did not breed with the original flies. I learned that from the page you linked.

Take another swing ?

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reply to post by nophun


"How thick can you be? If you want to talk about the begging of life go start a thread about biopoesis. "


Not that drunk

WHA Ha Ha I stopped reading your post from the BEGGING.

What the hell is that?


Begging -wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Begging (or panhandling) is to request a donation in a supplicating manner. Beggars are commonly found in public places such as street corners or public ...

yup attack my spelling mistake + spell check screwing me over.

The facts are you are speaking about something, like you know the subject, but it is very apparent that you have no idea wtf you are talking about. -- FACT

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Originally posted by nophun
yup attack my spelling mistake + spell check screwing me over.

The facts are you are speaking about something, like you know the subject, but it is very apparent that you have no idea wtf you are talking about. -- FACT

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I do know WTF I am talking about. I could whack you in the head with a base ball bat and you wouldn't be able to reproduce with a prostitute.
Quite similar to a fruit fly experiment IMO