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Originally posted by EvilAxis
Five degrees of separation are not required. Bush's grandfather's business dealings with the Nazis, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, are a matter of public record.
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power The Guardian, Saturday 25 September 2004
[edit on 23-2-2010 by EvilAxis]
Originally posted by impressme
I total disagree with Deputy Chief Vincent Dunn and here is why: there were no buildings in New York City ever design in the likeness of the over “engineered WTC 1 & 2,” they were built to handle multiple impacts, by Boeing 707 fully loaded with jet fuel slamming into the WTC at top speeds of 600 knots.
Statements by Engineers
Engineers who participated in the design of the World Trade Center have stated, since the attack, that the Towers were designed to withstand jetliner collisions. For example, Leslie Robertson, who is featured on many documentaries about the attack, said he "designed it for a (Boeing) 707 to hit it." 2 Statements and documents predating the attack indicate that engineers considered the effects of not only of jetliner impacts, but also of ensuing fires.
I'm tired of placating your standards of acceptability becuase it's obvious you don't have any, so it's high time that you accept mine. YOU asked for a web site that contained truthful information and I gave you one. It is now YOUR responsibility to explain why the assessment of Fire Chief Dunn is incorrect. Your making up arbitrary rules that never apply to yourself only makes your own credibility suffer, not mine.
What's the melting point of steel?
Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750�F). ... – Read More...
FIRST, you're quoting Robertson out of context to deliberately
Demartini, who had an office on the 88th floor of the North Tower, has been missing since the 9/11/01 attack, having remained in the North Tower to assist in the evacuation. 6 Demartini had first worked at World Trade Center when Leslie E. Robertson Associates hired him to assess damage from the truck bombing in 1993.
Like All Skyscrapers, the Twin Towers Were Over-Engineered
One aspect of engineering that is not widely understood is that structures are over-engineered as a matter of standard practice. 7 Steel structures like bridges and buildings are typically designed to withstand five times anticipated static loads and 3 times anticipated dynamic loads. The anticipated loads are the largest ones expected during the life of the structure, like the worst hurricane or earthquake occurring while the floors are packed with standing-room-only crowds. Given that September 11th was not a windy day, and that there were not throngs of people in the upper floors, the critical load ratio was probably well over 10, meaning that more than nine-tenths of the columns at the same level would have to fail before the weight of the top could have overcome the support capacity of the remaining columns.
There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings. According to the 1964 white paper cited above, a Tower would still be able to withstand a 100-mile-per-hour wind after all the perimeter columns on one face and some of the columns on each adjacent face had been cut. 8 Also, John Skilling is cited by the Engineering News Record for the claim that "live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2000% before failure occurs." 9
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
It wasn't "Bush's company". It was a bank that Prescott Bush worked for,
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
which was owned by a Dutch conglomerate
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
which was owned by a German industrialist, who once gave money to the Nazis before being thrown into a concentration camp himself.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Not that it matters, becuase all of this happened BEFORE BUSH 43 WAS EVEN BORN.
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Please watch this video in its entirety before posting.
My question is, do you all believe that WTC 7 was demolished by a controlled demolition, is there enough evidences to support it?
Do most of you think the WTC 1 & 2 where blown in to a powder instead of a dust?
I agree with this Engineer to his claims
For those Trusters, here is a prime example of “victim’s of family members” reaching out and asking for help into getting to the truth.
Even they know the government lied, and the OS is a fraud.
Different of opinions are welcome.
Could you, please "impressme" NOW, for once, expiain what YOU think happened???
So far, you bring stuff, and start threads....based on OTHER PEOPLE's opinions....
Have yet to see YOUR explanations, can't even figure out your stance, except for the nebulous "Bush and Cheney Did It", but that is still a shaky leg to stand on, based on the PREPONDERAMCE of other evidence.
The Bush Administration was GOING TO INVADE AFGHANISTAN, and Iraq, regardless whether 9/11 happened, or not!!!!
It is pretty evident, by now, based on documents being made public, after the NEW Administration has control....
IF 9/11 HAD NOT EVER HAPPENED, the BUSH ADMINISTATION would have gone into Iraq, regardless....!!!!!
FAKE 'evidence' from the country of Niger....(yellow cake) THIS was faked well before 9/11!!!!
The claim of 'WMD' in Iraq....still, compiled well before 9/11....it was going to happen, irrespective!!!!
Wake up, and look at the facts!!!!!
Wake up, and look at the facts!!!!!
Do most of you think the WTC 1 & 2 where blown in to a powder instead of a dust?
Where you hoping I was going to post that invisible nuclear bombs being shot from blue space aliens in flying saucers then landed on earth, hide all the evidences, and kidnap George Bush and Dick Chenney and made pod people out of them and stuck them under airplane pods….. I mean weed do you Trusters really believe that everyone who questions the events to 911 ALL wear tin foil hats and are all idiots with an IQ of 60 and all live in mommies basement.
My thread and OP is not about “AFGHANISTAN, and Iraq” so let stay on topic.
I was asking Dave, not you.
This is an open forum. You don't like my answers? Ignore me.
I have, and I recommend that YOU read the NIST report of the WTC demolition.
Further proof that you haven't.
You mean these Structural Engineers do not have a website?
Not sure what you're saying here?
What you don't understand, you find someone that does. Structural Engineers can be found at any University.
You mean these Structural Engineers do not have a website?
You mean they have and “can prove” that NIST pseudo is in fact not phony science?
Did I say that? I asked that you read the NIST report. You are obviously not a SE so my recomendation to you was if you had questions, there are forums that have Engineers that may answer the questions you have.
Tell you what, why don’t YOU give us a website of “Engineering professionals” that Proves NIST report is scientifically correct and shows where A&E have disputed NIST findings are all wrong?
I bet you can't!
The JREF forum has ongoing discussions regarding the collapses.
I never asked you to go to a website to get "proof" but to ask questions you may have regarding the NIST report.
There have, however been MANY documents written in support of it.
MANY peer reviewed. How many have the truth movement put out?
1. Destruction.....
One of his former members, Greg Urich wrote an open letter to Mr. Gage. I think it's been a year now and Richard has ignored it. Why? I personally gave Gage a copy of it last fall asking for a response. Richard even acknowledges this on his website. He says a response is forthcoming.
Read the letter here:
www.cool-places.0catch.com...
EXPLOSIVE NEWS
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Please watch this video in its entirety before posting.
My question is, do you all believe that WTC 7 was demolished by a controlled demolition, is there enough evidences to support it?
Do most of you think the WTC 1 & 2 where blown in to a powder instead of a dust?
....what was the real reason for invading Afghanistan and Iran?
I am trying to tell you that you should take a deep breath, step back and take time to READ what others provide, in various threads, whether YOURS, or those that you merely post in.
PLEASE.
Do most of you think the WTC 1 & 2 where blown in to a powder instead of a dust?
You never answered my OP questions.
I don;t even know WHERE to start on that post, so I won't even try....you are all over the map.
Still, thanks for trying.
Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by GoodOlDave
FIRST, you're quoting Robertson out of context to deliberately
Dave, your really loosing it, go back and read the article “AGAIN” and you show me where I misquoted anyone?
Please post this quote from Robertson? Come one Dave you are accusing me of deliberately lying now show it (Oh, that’s right you can’t!)
Originally posted by impressme
Lets all stick with the sciences that can and does take out all the perhaps, maybe, could be, we assume, our opinions, our speculating, our belief systems.
The problem here is that the conspiracy fetishists can and do force science to conform with a preconceived position, rather than letting science suggest a viable scenario.
Despite our differences, I think even you can agree that Dr. Judy Wood's scientific assessment that the WTC was destroyed by laser beams from outer space is a case in point.
How do you suggest we determine whether science is telling the truth or whether someone is using science to lie?
Originally posted by impressme
The problem here is that the Trusters fetishists can and do force science to conform with a preconceived position, rather than letting science suggest a viable scenario such as the NIST report which most academics now reject.
Dave, most people do not support Dr. Judy Wood's work, and YOU know that.We know you associate the truth of 911 with space beam little green men wearing tin foil hats and living in mommies basement flying around in their invisible flying saucers.
Dave I find it quite amusing that you cannot distinguish the different between disproven sciences such as Judy Wood, NIST, and Steven Jones work of nano Thermite.
Which two scientific reports were proven false by science? Think Dave.
...and what the heck is a "truster fetishist"?