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Originally posted by Phil Jayhan
I think you all need to update your files; Flight 93 is no mystery at all. It landed at Cleveland, with a "bomb aboard."
Originally posted by REMISNE
Originally posted by Phil Jayhan
I think you all need to update your files; Flight 93 is no mystery at all. It landed at Cleveland, with a "bomb aboard."
Actually you need to update.
It was Delta Flight 1989 that landed at Clevland. It was confused for Flight 93 for a while.
Originally posted by Phil Jayhan
2 planes. Far different # of passengers on each plane. United 93 landed 35 minutes after Delta 1989.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Phil Jayhan
Sorry, Phil...your theory is incorrect.
You have been misled, somehow. I am puzzled, though, how you can post that ATC tape, and reach the conculsion you did?
Because, it's quite clear, from the tape, what the pilots (AAL 1060, and Executive 956) saw, and what happened with UAL 93.
UAL 93 did NOT, I repeat, did NOT land in CLE.
Furthermore, UAL 93 did NOT have "200 passengers" onboard. A Boeing 757, in two-class configuration (as United's are configured) does NOT hold that many people.
The reports you seem to be referencing are very, very old, and were the result of confusion, early on...and, YES, even by the Mayor of Cleveland.
This is, as usual, a situation where people who are NOT familiar with the airline business, and aviation in general, make mistakes, and have misconceptions.
Unfortunately, this "information" lingers on the Web --- it will forever, because that's the way the Web works.
AND, this bad and incorrect "info" keeps being repeated by those who don't know any better.
I suggest you listen to your YouTube link again. I will go out on a limb, here, and assume you are NOT a pilot? So, if you can, you should have a pilot listen and interpret it for you.
Certainly, that's what I can do, but since I'm anonymous on an an Internet forum, I doubt you will be convinced by me. Perhaps IF you find someone you personally know, then you will get corrected.
NEADS: When did he land? Cause we have got confirmation...
FAA: "He did not land."
NEADS: "Oh, he's down? Down?"
FAA: "Yes. Somewhere up northeast of Camp David."
NEADS: "Northeast of Camp David."
FAA: "That's the last report. They don't know exactly where."
The NEADS air defenders never located the flight or followed it on their radar scopes. The flight had already crashed by the time they learned it was hijacked.
10:17 Command Center advised headquarters of its conclusion that United 93 had indeed crashed.
Despite the discussions about military assistance, no one from FAA headquarters requested military assistance regarding United 93. Nor did any manager at FAA headquarters pass any of the information it had about United 93 to the military.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
---There is another claim that the physical evidence is missing/incomplete/not 'right' looking....
There simply is no concrete evidence that a 757 crashed in shanksville.
Originally posted by Jezus
reply to post by weedwhacker
I already understand that you believe those things exist as evidence to support the official story.
However, trusting a source that evidence is there is not the same thing as actually seeing the concrete evidence.
256.com...
The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.
After our emergency landing, our plane was directed to go to an isolated area of the airport, and we waited for over two hours in quarantine before FBI agents and bomb sniffing dogs came out to the plane. Just after we landed, the pilot gave us permission to make one very brief telephone call before we were banned from any further telephone use
Originally posted by Shadow Herder
reply to post by Phil Jayhan
This is hard for me to say.... I agree with Phil Jayhan.
When you investigate flight 1989 you will learn something very important about the attacks of 911.
On flight 1989 they had, bombs on board, phone calls to loved ones of people stating "we think we are being hijacked".
256.com...
The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.
After our emergency landing, our plane was directed to go to an isolated area of the airport, and we waited for over two hours in quarantine before FBI agents and bomb sniffing dogs came out to the plane. Just after we landed, the pilot gave us permission to make one very brief telephone call before we were banned from any further telephone use
p.s Why would the pilot allow to make " one brief phone call considering that there is a threat of a bomb on board and possibility that these bombs could be detonated via cell phone?
[edit on 3-4-2010 by Shadow Herder]
...we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane. The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight.
0945. In the first unplanned shutdown of U. S. airspace, FAA orders all aircraft to land at the nearest airport as soon as practical. At this time, there were more than 4,500 aircraft in the air on Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) flight plans.
1007. (approx.) United Flight 93 crashes in Stony Creek Township, PA.
1039. Reaffirming the earlier order, FAA issues a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) that halts takeoffs and landings at all airports.
1215. (approx). The airspace over the 48 contiguous states is clear of all commercial and private flights.
Notes:
All times are Eastern Daylight. For UTC/Zulu/GMT, add four hours.
Flight departures are actual takeoff times, not scheduled or gate departure times.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Shadow Herder
OK, guys...pay attention!
From the very link that SH provided, here's a snippet:
...we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane. The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight.
Notice anything?
If not, then allow me to point out something --- MANY so called "9/11 truthers" make a great deal of noise about cell phone calls that WERE made (actually, there were only a handfull...at least ONE on AAl 77, and only TWO on UAL 93...rest inflight calls were using the on-board AirFones!)
A-a-a-anyway....this incident on DAL 1989 is simply "excitement-after-the fact", and fostered by the complexities, and confusions of the moment. That is, the morning of 11 September, 2001.
In all this hand-waving hysteria, WHERE are the reports of ACTUAL BOMBS FOUND on DAL 1989???
Does anyone see where I'm going with this?
What we have, here, is a perception of suspicious activity, and especially considering the events of the day, that is WARRANTED!!! An abundance of caution. IN FACT, that is (or should be) the mindset, even today. Like it or not, we should ALL be aware of our surroundings, and any activities that seem out of the ordinary. (AND, before we go nuts on this, let me add to ALWAYS just bring any suspicions to the attention of the professionals, and let THEM assess!)
To repeat --- FBI were notified, and inspected DAL 1989, on the ground in Cleveland. FOUND NOTHING!
The entire confusion (to include the MAYOR) is now on record as a mistake --- BUT the Internet being what it is, NOTHING ever gets removed! EVEN incorrect, and out-dated information!
ALSO....pay close, close attention to the timeline....
THE emergency NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) to GROUND, ASAP, every civilian flight in the United States Airspace System was issued at about 1028 EDT, with effectivity at 1030. (That equals 1428 UTC/1430 UTC. "UTC" is the aviation acronym for 'Universal Coordinated Time'. However, "UTC" is the accepted acronym, from the French translation. It is the SAME as the more commonly known "GMT").
(There are some minutes' differnces, depending on source....I have seenteh actual NOTAM, did not find it yet. However, I found this:
0945. In the first unplanned shutdown of U. S. airspace, FAA orders all aircraft to land at the nearest airport as soon as practical. At this time, there were more than 4,500 aircraft in the air on Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) flight plans.
1007. (approx.) United Flight 93 crashes in Stony Creek Township, PA.
1039. Reaffirming the earlier order, FAA issues a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) that halts takeoffs and landings at all airports.
1215. (approx). The airspace over the 48 contiguous states is clear of all commercial and private flights.
Notes:
All times are Eastern Daylight. For UTC/Zulu/GMT, add four hours.
Flight departures are actual takeoff times, not scheduled or gate departure times.
www.faa.gov...
[edit on 3 April 2010 by weedwhacker]
Originally posted by weedwhacker
That is true ONLY if you ignore:
---The CVR and SSFDR
---The human remains
---The experiences of the first responders on scene, and the other don't-know-exactly how many other people who were called in, to help search and locate those human remains, the various parts (debris) of the airplane structure, and internal contents
Or the Flight 93 which landed at Cleveland? Or, are you talking about the Flight 93 out of Philadelphia?
Detailed Statistics
Departures
Airport: Philadelphia, PA - Philadelphia International (PHL)
Airline: United Airlines (UA)
Month(s): September
Day(s): 4
Year(s): 2001
[snip]
Airline Date Flt # N# Dest SDep SArr
UA 09/04/2001 0093 N471UA SFO 17:00 18:45
UA 09/04/2001 0073 N502UA SFO 09:25 09:22
UA 09/04/2001 0075 N528UA SFO 14:30 14:30
UA 09/04/2001 0077 N550UA SFO 19:30 21:26
UA 09/04/2001 0079 N514UA SFO 18:40 19:34
I am sharing my research and what I have found.
Sorry that that bothers you.