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Originally posted by ExPostFacto
Great questions and all I know is that if they have been answered someone should have been fired at the very least even if there is no conspiracy per se. the fact nobody was fired makes the conspiracy option more probable.
Originally posted by downisreallyup
Q: Why did the batteries of missile defense at the Pentagon, which are automatically triggered by non-military aircraft entering the Pentagon’s airspace, not shoot down the supposed airliner that entered that 50-mile radius no-fly zone? In essence, why was the system deactivated?
and why were those exercises structured so that many false radar blips were generated on air traffic control radar screens, thereby creating a great deal of ATC confusion?
Originally posted by TaZCoN
Question: How did this passport survive
1: A vaporizing plane crash into the north tower?
2: A raging inferno allegedly hot enough to collapse the north tower?
3: A pyroclastic debris cloud reminiscent of the Mt St Helens eruption?
Virtually Un-Touched
Yet the black boxes for both planes were un-recoverable?
We Surround them...Think about that!
Originally posted by dereks
Originally posted by downisreallyup
Q: Why did the batteries of missile defense at the Pentagon, which are automatically triggered by non-military aircraft entering the Pentagon’s airspace, not shoot down the supposed airliner that entered that 50-mile radius no-fly zone? In essence, why was the system deactivated?
This again shows how stupid the silly conspiracy theories actually are.
What Pentagon missile batteries? There are none. If you think that they exist, how about showingsome proof of them?
This also shows the conspiracy theorists ignorance of Air Defence, you do not put AA missiles on top of the target you want to defend.
Ronald Reagan Airport is a few miles away, so how can the Pentagon have a 50 mile no fly zone?
and why were those exercises structured so that many false radar blips were generated on air traffic control radar screens, thereby creating a great deal of ATC confusion?
Who claims many false blips were generated? Another sill conspiracy story, not based on any fact!
Otherwise this exchange (from the 911CR) makes no sense: "This was the first notification received by the military-at any level-that American 11 had been hijacked:115
FAA: Hi. Boston Center TMU , we have a problem here. We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York, and we need you guys to, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out.
NEADS: Is this real-world or exercise?
FAA: No, this is not an exercise, not a test."
If the controllers were NOT involved in the exercise:
a) why does the military ask them if the hijacking was part of the exercise, and
b) why does the FAA they have to tell the military that the hijacking wasn't an exercise?
Note, the FAA is not taken aback by the odd question: "Is this real-world or exercise?" They responded immediately as if they knew what was going on. I suppose the commission put this passage in the report to illustrate the confusion going on that morning, but they oddly fail to explain the fact that there was actually a NORAD hijacking exercise going on that morning. But in any case, since the FAA was involved in the hijacking exercise that morning, are we really supposed to believe that the FAA wasn't confused by the real hijackings going on? Wouldn't this confusion have cost precious minutes in the response?
Another question: how did the FAA decide the hijacking was real and not part of the exercise, since at minimum, they knew there was a hijacking exercise going on?
And that relationship had been going on mediated by Ptech for 2 years prior to 9/11. You elsewhere say that the Secret Service is among the government entities that had a contract with Ptech. Mike Ruppert’s thesis in Crossing the Rubicon, as you know, is that the software that was running information between FAA & NORAD was superseded by a parallel, subsuming, version of itself that was being run by the Secret Service on state of the art parallel equipment in the PEOC with a nucleus of Secret Service personnel around Cheney. In your view, might it have been the case that Cheney was using Ptech to surveil the function of the people in FAA & NORAD who wanted to do their jobs on 9/11, and then intervene to turn off the legitimate response?
In the mid 1960s, the United Stated Air Force was ready to deploy its first advance surface-to-air missile defense system, the BOMBARC. The BOMBARC was to have a 440 mile range of operation but constant problems with their guided system limited the deployment of the system from nation-wide, integrated system to a more regional.
On the other hand, the U.S. Army had fielded its own missile defense system since 1953, the NIKE. The initial deployed surface-to-air NIKE system used the Nike-Ajax liquid fueled missile with an operational range of thirty miles as its main interceptor asset.
By the late 1958, there were over two hundred NIKE missile batteries in the U.S., primarily defending nuclear research facilities and depots. On December of 1958, the Army began the process of supplanting its Nike-Ajax missile with the more advance Nike-Hercules.
The Hercules was a leap forward in the development of a surface-to-air missile. It was propelled by solid-fuel which gave the missile an operational range in excess of seventy five miles. The Hercules was also the first interceptor missile with a nuclear warhead capability. About one hundred NIKE sites were upgraded with the Hercules.
Of these facilities, around fifty were redeployed to defend the Air Force’s Strategic Air Command bomber bases. The Air Command was the United States primary source for massive nuclear retaliation after a Soviet attack.
The key component of the NIKE system was the advance, early-warning radar.
The U.S. Defense Department was committed from the beginning to build a series of interlocking radar stations that would allow the Army to monitor the perimeter and selecting interior parts of the North American continent.
The goal of the system was to provide the Air Force and Army with up-to five hours of warning to response in case of a Soviet bomber attack.
The U.S. Air Force took the lead in the design, development and deployment of radar systems. The first significant antiaircraft radar platform was the LASH-Up system. It was designed by the Air Force to cover America’s costal centers and major nuclear production facilities.
In 1949, LASH-Up radar stations numbered just seven, but by the end of 1951, the system grew to fifty stations. The LASH-Up system was eventually replaced by the PERMANENT system, which was to number seventy-four radar locations by mid 1952.
The U.S. early warning radar system was supplemented by the thirty four stations of the PINETREE LINE system located across the vast Canadian territory, which in theory could provide the Air Force with two additional hours of warning in a case of a surprise attack.
Originally posted by Alfie1
Originally posted by TaZCoN
Question: How did this passport survive
1: A vaporizing plane crash into the north tower?
2: A raging inferno allegedly hot enough to collapse the north tower?
3: A pyroclastic debris cloud reminiscent of the Mt St Helens eruption?
Virtually Un-Touched
Yet the black boxes for both planes were un-recoverable?
We Surround them...Think about that!
What about the identity documents on display in this clip :-
news.bbc.co.uk...
Was this a conspiracy too ?
Originally posted by downisreallyup
As far as the surface-to-air missile defense system, there are a number of these batteries deployed all over the United States protecting all kinds of high-value military installations and facilities:
In the mid 1960s, the United Stated Air Force was ready to deploy its first advance surface-to-air missile defense system, the BOMBARC.
the Army began the process of supplanting its Nike-Ajax missile with the more advance Nike-Hercules.
Are you suggesting that out of all the surface-to-air batteries all over the U.S., the Pentagon would leave the nerve center for the entire military unprotected? That is just ludicrous to the maximum, and if you suggest such a thing, you only prove how much you are grabbing at straws.
Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
reply to post by downisreallyup
What OTHER (if any) passports were recovered?
Originally posted by dereks
Originally posted by downisreallyup
Oh dear, here we have more "truther" quality research!
For a start it is BOMARC, and you must have missed this little bit.... they were all retired by 1972
So once again, it is just a silly conspiracy theory that the Pentagon had a air defence system in 2000
[edit on 16/2/10 by dereks]
A dedicated continental air defense force is no longer needed. Since the threat of a Soviet-style air attack against the United States has largely disappeared, the air defense force has been focusing its activities on air sovereignty missions. Active and reserve general-purpose and training forces could perform these missions because they have comparable or more capable aircraft, are located at or near most existing continental air defense bases and alert sites, and have pilots capable of performing air sovereignty missions or being trained to perform such missions.
So once again, it is just a silly conspiracy theory that the Pentagon had a air defence system in 2000
Originally posted by TaZCoN
Question: How did this passport survive
1: A vaporizing plane crash into the north tower?
2: A raging inferno allegedly hot enough to collapse the north tower?
3: A pyroclastic debris cloud reminiscent of the Mt St Helens eruption?
Virtually Un-Touched
Yet the black boxes for both planes were un-recoverable?
We Surround them...Think about that!
What about the identity documents on display in this clip :-
news.bbc.co.uk...
Was this a conspiracy too ?