When we know we are going away we want to take things to feel protected or comfortable no matter how small or seemingly insignificant the item.I
understand that you were really there,I didnt mean to question that fact,I was also aboard a craft,and I know what you mean when you say you know you
were there and I trust that.
if I condense my own experience into a VERY shortened version --flashback style--I can objectively extrapolate my own reaction to specific points in
time and I can guestimate what my "normal "reaction to that picture would be.This is something I find all abductees must be able to do naturally,to
view their experiences as a paralell reality,one they can step in and out of in their objectifying of memories and experiences.
We have no choice,because the experiences "really happened"to us,it is permanent for us.
You were "really"in the room,I was "really"in the craft,I always immediatly accept this dual reality every time i consider an experiencer I believe in
,sometimes it helps eliminate people who dont quite fit into my definition of experiencer.
Once you have been someplace and are concious of that experience ---that experience and the awareness of it must immediatly meld into your current
reality or exist paralell to it.It cannot ever not exist because it is reality to you.
How do you tell the difference between a dream and a reality??It is easy,dreams dont make sense,all the little things either arent obvious or dont
exist,things in a dream come out of nowhere and go back to nowhere with no discernable beginning or end.Experiences include all manner of small
details and situational context and dynamics that dreams dont have,and experiences come from somewhere and remain as a reality,by communicating with
others we can find corroberating evidence of the validity of our own experiences.
How does an experiencer discern between the awake reality they leave to go to sleep,the dream state they enter into,the awake and aware state within
the dream,and then the absolute presence of awareness in the aknowledged and understood paralell reality??
For me ,I was
Awake
Asleep
Dreaming
Awake and aware within the dream
Awake and aware and able to interact within the dream
Absolutely accepting and participating in a new reality physically and communicatively
Asleep and unaware
Awake to the reality I left before sleep with some additional chunks of reality added
I am trying to discern where in a paralell experience ,if the steps are the same,that the people who remember being in the room were at.I feel there
is a connection in the tense or concept of the reality the experience ocurred in that will be a clue.
The items present a problem because I know from experience that you cant manifest as in magically make appear physical objects in the reality I was
absolutely aware and awake in---you can interact as in touch and move things,break and make them,but not materialise them.
If the items are a part of a dream then the dream would have to be common to all people who communicate their personal experiences and that is
impossible.
You cant take made up or dreampt up items past your own dream point.Because they never really existed.
II believe that you all and possibly myself at some point WERE ABSOLUTELY IN THAT REALITY THAT INCLUDES THE ROOM.
The room was a reality ,NOT a dream.
The question is how do you leap the hurdle that is in front of you,how do you find a way to incorporate these two "real"realities in your world or how
do you define these two seperate yet "real"realities so you can allow them to exist in a paralell manner?
I believe most have already defined the experience as "real",the next step is finding a way to fit this new reality into the "now"reality.
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