New 9/11 photos 'prove WTC exploded from inside.' Video: Russia Today

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Your wrong because even if those scheduled airliners did in fact crash into the twin towers, NO BUILDING would have totally collapsed ON TO ITSELF without explosives. Even a 10th grader with basic knowledge of physics would understand that, but you don't?

I don't care what impacted the towers! I do care WHY the buildings COLLAPSED 30 to 60 minutes later, especially without tilting over.

Ok - first question:

DID THE AIRLINERS CRASH INTO THE BUILDINGS OR NOT?

YES OR NO ANSWER - NO "WE ARE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS DRIVEL"

So the aircraft impact didn't have any effect on ther building?

So the resulting fires didn't have any effect on the buildings either?

Nice job of hand waving.....

Originally posted by Whyhi
reply to post by ugie1028

 

If truthers pay legitimate experts for a new investigation, I don't really care. If you want to waste money on a new investigation, I really wouldn't care either because there is no evidence, old or new, but it would be a pretty good laugh seeing all the truthers just ignore another investigation, that they ordered.

There is no reason for an investigation because there is no evidence, simple as that

That last part you have right, because almost all of the evidence was destroyed immediately. You may not agree with the conspiracy theorists, but by saying a thorough investigation was done, you are no better than them.

reply to post by thedman


It seems you already have the answers figured out so why bother ask me for my opinion? Besides I have stated what I think many times and everyone thinks I am crazy.

The best way to approach a given topic, especially a conspiracy, is by not taking things for granted but 90% of the posters had a verdict BEFORE visting ATS. Its just a bash fest and I want no part of it!

The 2nd still image in the beginning shows the ERUPTION of the concrete...right on film, we see the concrete literally changing from a solid to a powder!! It is amazing to look at that picture and realize that the official explanation is laughable, if not for the severity of the issue.

No building COLLAPSE can possibly change from all of recorded history into a one time event. No way. A building that is COLLAPSING will have sections either fall to one side or the other, or the whole structure will shift sideways and topple if the base is taken out, as in an earthquake.

But to say that a GRAVITY driven collapse could possibly cause all the concrete to erupt into a fine powder instead of remaining in large chunks as it would if it were being crushed by debris from above.

It is TOO obvious; only the blind could possibly look at that eruption of matter and believe down deep that the official story is true...either intentionally blind or for some other reason. But to deny that the eruption is happening is insane, and to ascribe it to gravity is madness....a sad position for the official story groupies to have to exist in.

Originally posted by richierich
The 2nd still image in the beginning shows the ERUPTION of the concrete...right on film, we see the concrete literally changing from a solid to a powder!! It is amazing to look at that picture and realize that the official explanation is laughable, if not for the severity of the issue.

No building COLLAPSE can possibly change from all of recorded history into a one time event. No way. A building that is COLLAPSING will have sections either fall to one side or the other, or the whole structure will shift sideways and topple if the base is taken out, as in an earthquake.

But to say that a GRAVITY driven collapse could possibly cause all the concrete to erupt into a fine powder instead of remaining in large chunks as it would if it were being crushed by debris from above.

It is TOO obvious; only the blind could possibly look at that eruption of matter and believe down deep that the official story is true...either intentionally blind or for some other reason. But to deny that the eruption is happening is insane, and to ascribe it to gravity is madness....a sad position for the official story groupies to have to exist in.

You know, NIST assembled a bunch of PhD's and other highly qualified engineers, co-opted prestigious engineering firms, studied samples, videos, stills etc and spent millions of dollars in order to come to their conclusions.

What a pity they didn't think to give you a call and get it all cleared up straight away.

Originally posted by Alfie1

You know, NIST assembled a bunch of PhD's and other highly qualified engineers, co-opted prestigious engineering firms, studied samples, videos, stills etc and spent millions of dollars in order to come to their conclusions.

If that is so, then why did they feel the need to tell bald-faced lies on video, and why did a high school physics teacher have to force them to see and admit to their major errors?

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And why does their silly computer collapse model for WTC7 look nothing like the actual imploding bottom-up demolition building?

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What other silly mistakes and major errors from YOUR highly qualified NIST PhDs and engineers will be exposed to the light of day in the years to come?

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Will we taxpayers get our money back from these inept NIST nimcompoops?

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reply to post by SPreston


This thread is about the Towers. There is another about WTC 7.

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by SPreston

 

This thread is about the Towers. There is another about WTC 7.

Oh really?

New 9/11 photos 'prove WTC exploded from inside.' Video: Russia Today

How odd. WTC7 is in some of the photos and WTC7 was in the WTC complex and WTC7 too exploded from inside according to numerous firemen and civilians and network reporters and WTC7 was reported destroyed some 6 hours and 15 minutes EARLY by CNN.

Heads-up on a planned demolition?

It seems that NIST was hired to 'cover-up' the demolition of the WTC Towers AND WTC7 doesn't it?

And what is this from YOU back on page five?

Originally posted by Alfie1
post by Alfie1

Are you saying that WTC 7 was not damaged by falling debris from the North Tower ?

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reply to post by SPreston


Heh, and who is in your corner lying and having no clue as to what is going on?

Mr. Richard "the Box" Gage himself!



Sorry, but when you aline yourself with jokers like this guy, I have to really question the whole shakey foundation you all built yourselves on. At least no one has credibly been able to point out any real flaws with NIST. But with ol' box Gage here, well, its like shooting fish in a barrel when he opens his mouth. Especially with such gems like having cardboard boxes be representative of two structures that are 1,000,000 times more complex.

The poor souls who cannot refute the hard core facts must resort to obscuring the cold truth with slight of hand moves and nonsense.

They CANNOT come up with a sensible explanation, and so they just ignore the evidence!!

The NIST stopped their study of the TOWERS destruction at the moment just prior to ' global collapse', which means they never had to explain' dustification and other outrageous examples of high energy; energy too much for gravity to explain.

Anyone with half a brain could believe the official story, but those of us with all our brains cannot ignore all the evidence in order to placate our fears.

Originally posted by richierich
The poor souls who cannot refute the hard core facts must resort to obscuring the cold truth with slight of hand moves and nonsense.

Exactly like the Gage video above - as that is all the "truthers" have, is nonsense!

They CANNOT come up with a sensible explanation, and so they just ignore the evidence!!

That is a good description of "truthers", they ignore the evidence and come up with silly conspiracy theories, not based on any facts or evidence

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So explain the dustification instead of running from the issue by calling manes? It is SO apparant that the official story drones CANNOT examine the facts and try to intelligently explain it all..

Explain HOW gravity could turn virtuqally ALL of the concrete and people, etc..into fine particles if all it was was a gravity driven collapse? explain that or relent, but please stop making disparaging remarks before you debate intelligently. Why all the dust? And PLEASE dont refer to any NIST garbage..try something original.

If after eight years of looking at photos, watching videos, listening to impartial eye-witnesses and impartial(non-governmental) experts, people cannot understand everything was a lie to start two wars, well either there is something wrong with you or you support government sponsored terror.

I am sorry but people NEED to be MORE CRITICAL of government. Next thing you know, the mayor of NYC will tell people to commit suicide for some odd reason, and many will do just that because government is always "correct" and everyone else is always "wrong". How pathetic we have become not to think for ourselves!!!

We should be trying to put the puzzle together, NOT discussing IF 9-11 was an inside job. The second is a given for many reasons ALREADY DISCUSSED on multiple threads!

Of course there will never be an official unbiased investigation, because the same people that pulled off 9-11 are also covering it up. That leaves us with the "non-credible", but perfectly qualified folks, just ranting and raving.

its about time solid evidence surfaced



Even if majority have decided its way too late to deal with what really happened appropriately.

reply to post by GenRadek

At least no one has credibly been able to point out any real flaws with NIST

oh really!!!....then tell me what you think of this......the 2005 NIST scientific investigation did not find any reason why these three buildings failed on 9-11...

"No conclusive evidence was found to indicate that pre-collapse fires were sever enough to have a significant effect on the microstructure that would have resulted in weakening of the steel structure." NIST NCSTAR 1-3C, p. 235

no evidence the type of joining methods, materials, or welding procedures used was improper NIST 1-3 p.99

recovered bolts were stronger than typical. NIST 1-2 p.133

"no core column examined showed temp. above 250C" NIST 1-3 6.6.2

NCSTAR1-3 7.7.2 "because no steel was recovered from WTC7,it is not possable to make any statements about it's quality"


"NIST did not test for the residue from explosives or accelerants" wtc. nist. gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006. htm


yet, for SOME reason, 2008 NIST is allowed to *IGNORE* their own scientific investigation, and claim fire not only caused collapse, but did so as *NO OTHER* building has done before, stated by Shyam Sunder at NIST technical briefing
vimeo.com...

Shyam Sunder, all through the Q&A section of the video stating, ....."brand new event"..."new phenomenon"..."there has *NEVER* been a collapse like WTC7".

oh....did I mention WTC7???


NCSTAR 1A 3.6] "This free fall drop continues for approximately 8 stories, the distance traveled between t=1.75s and t=4.0s...constant, downward acceleration during this time interval. This acceleration was *9.8m/s^2*, equivalent to the acceleration of gravity."

NICSTAR 1A 4.3.4] Global Collapse..."The entire building above the buckled column region moved downward in a single unit, as observed, completing the global collapse"

NCSTAR1A p.39/130
"the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7."


The NIST WTC7 Fig 3-15 shows the graph with the regression line yielding acceleration of 32.196ft/s^2. SEE the time interval between 1.75 and 4 is 2.25 sec. the interval where WTC7 does achieve a period of free-fall ACCELERATION.

what does SCIENCE say about the 2.3 second interval of collapse, "Indistinguishable from FREEFALL". The significance is NONE of the gravitational energy is available to destroy the supporting structures, ALL converted to MOTION!

meaning, any bending, crushing, breaking connections, REMOVAL of structural RESISTANCE, BELOW the mass ACCELERATING, is occurring WITHOUT the assistance of energy from the mass accelerating. Zero resistance.

now where else do we see those SAME numbers, 9.8m/s^2, as seen in the collapse rate of 7????
open ANY science/physics text...."rate of acceleration seen by ALL mass REGARDLESS of weight toward the earth, at sea level, *~**WITHIN a VACUUM**~* is *9.8m/s^2*.

hmm.....the SAME numbers we see under 'CONTROLLED conditions, WE SEE occurring globally and UNIFIED in a 47 story steel frame @ 1.75 SECONDS, when kink forms, to 4.0s of the collapse....2.5 seconds later, it's done....6.5 second building collapse from FIRE we can't really see from the windows.

NCSTAR1A-3.2]"It is likely that much of the burning took place beyond the views of the windows"

so please tell me how fire does ALL THAT WORK...the only supporting evidence the authors of the pushed official claims are computer models which they refuse to release the data that tells the models what to do...WHY?..in my opinion, one, that will show them the fraud they are, and two, because they have a Presidential Executive Order stating they don't have to prove what ever they claim.


NIST is withholding sixty-eight thousand, two hundred and forty-six (68,246) file. These records are currently exempt from disclosure under section (b)(3) of the FOlA., 5 .S.C § 552 (b)(3). Exemption (b)(3) permits an agency to withhold records in an agency's possession which are records that are "specifically exempted from disclosure by statute


'1. All input and results files of the ANSYS 16 story collapse initiation model with detailed connection models that were used to analyze the structural response to thermal loads, break element source code, ANSYS script files for the break element s, custom executable ANSYS file, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.


2. All input files with connection material properties and all results flies of the LS-DYNA 47-story global collapse model that were used to simulate sequential structural failures leading to collapse and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities."

reply to post by dereks

That is a good description of "truthers", they ignore the evidence and come up with silly conspiracy theories, not based on any facts or evidence

here is a better one....'truthers' ask questions and DEMAND the supporting evidence of the claims pushed as truth......they have NO claims.

can you tell me why there is NO supporting evidence of those claims pushed???

ya know, within a scientific context....if a claim is made the WTC steel failed from these fires preset to allow the collapse of all three buildings....you need to PROVE IT!

when do ya think someone will???....2005 NIST did not find a reason why these three buildings failed on 9-11....2008 NIST claim "FIRE and brand new science" they refuse to prove.

reply to post by GenRadek

like having cardboard boxes be representative of two structures that are 1,000,000 times more complex

wanna use two ping pong balls....or how bout 2 bowling balls....I think the point is materials of like structure in terms of identical composition CANNOT SMASH THROUGH EACH OTHER, WITHOUT the addition of a huge extra motivating force - either in the form of massive extra density, or huge velocity, neither of which applies at the Towers.

...lol....Your own "mocking" there, EXACTLY illustrates the point....!

reply to post by Whyhi


" The numerous investigations did their job,..."


Yeah , of Denying the Evidence that did not Support their Fantasy of 18 Islamic Hijackers with Box Cutters being Solely Responsable for the Attacks on 9/11 . To this day , 13 Years Later , the OS is Still a Bunch of BS .

reply to post by thedman

So the aircraft impact didn't have any effect on ther building?

other than NIST finding MINIMAL localized damage to each....14.5% leaving about 240 intact FIREPROOFED vertical support that MUST simultaneously fail to have occur what we all see.

tell me how DIFFERENT minimal localized damage from DIFFERENT structural members, with DIFFERENT weights above, leads to the SAME total global unified consistent unwavering descent....x2?

2005 NIST found 33 outer columns were damaged from the impacts. Count the columns yourself in any image or video that shows the holes, [you can count right!],. That's 33 out of 236 outer columns which comes out to 14%....so, 86% of the outer columns intact and undamaged.

NIST did three scenarios of core damage from light to heavy, they estimate that 6-8 core columns were damaged. That's 6-8 out of 47 box columns. We'll use 7 since it's in the middle. 7 out of 47 comes out to 15% of the core columns were damaged leaving 85% of the core columns intact and undamaged.

Putting those two percentages together, you get 14.5% of the structure in each tower was damaged leaving 85.5% of the structure undamaged....minimal damage.

So the resulting fires didn't have any effect on the buildings either?

NOT according to the 2005 NIST scientific investigation....they found NO supporting evidence the FIRES PRESENT failed any WTC members to allow collapse to ensue.

"No conclusive evidence was found to indicate that pre-collapse fires were sever enough to have a significant effect on the microstructure that would have resulted in weakening of the steel structure." NIST NCSTAR 1-3C, p. 235

no evidence the type of joining methods, materials, or welding procedures used was improper NIST 1-3 p.99

recovered bolts were stronger than typical. NIST 1-2 p.133

"no core column examined showed temp. above 250C" NIST 1-3 6.6.2

NCSTAR1-3 7.7.2 "because no steel was recovered from WTC7,it is not possable to make any statements about it's quality"

"NIST did not test for the residue from explosives or accelerants" wtc. nist. gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006. htm

but for SOME unknown reason, 2008 NIST is allowed to IGNORE their own scientific investigation, and claim fire not only caused collapse, but did so as NO OTHER building has done before, stated by Shyam Sunder at NIST technical briefing
vimeo.com...

Shyam Sunder, all through the Q&A section of the video stating, ....."brand new event"..."new phenomenon"..."there has NEVER been a collapse like WTC7".

and the only supporting evidence they have are computer models which they REFUSE to release the data that TELLS the models what to do...WHY?
ONE, that will show them the fraud they are, and TWO, because they have a Presidential Executive Order stating they don't have to prove what ever they claim.


NIST is withholding sixty-eight thousand, two hundred and forty-six (68,246) file. These records are currently exempt from disclosure




so tell me bout FIRE and it's amazing steel eating capabilities....

oh yea......Nice job of hand waving!!!