Paranormal State Captures Image of Jersey Devil

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There is no such thing as the Jersey Devil. People are prone to misidentifications and sensationalism... especially when it's dark and they are scared/nervous. That is fact!

It's more than likely an everyday animal. Those who assert it's anything other than prosaic need stronger evidence than is currently being offered. Unless you can show me a real Jersey Devil which we can compare this image to, it's all BS!

Wishful thinking doesn't make something so!

End of story!

IRM

reply to post by truthseeker1984


I completely agree with you that Paranormal State, along with all other paranormal shows, are ALL sellouts. It angers me to NO END that these people exploit these families that need help and do little if anything to cross over the spirit haunting the family. That is my specialty.

Regardless, as an alien abductee myself, who has seen things like Greys and Insectiods- I have a tendency to believe people who say when theyve seen a beast with wings that they are telling the truth. Besides- the Government has been screwing around with genetic testing since the 40s and alot of these areas where they are being sighted are in direct correlation to old abandoned military installations.

After watching the Mothman episode on Monster Quest tonight, I found it interesting that the sightings have spread to Sacramento California. I personally never believed that it was self contained to Point Pleasant, and that the Mothman is an undiscovered primal/alien species.

Monsterquest has been really dragging recently- I really hope that they can do more episodes like their Leprachaun episode- but with Fairies and Gnomes in eastern europe. Their equipment got messed with and knocked over in that episode- and while not paranormal, considering how boring their shows normally are- that was pretty exciting!

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Xynephadyn,

Another fellow "exorciser" eh? I actually specialize in the more "dangerous" of hauntings. You can check out my profile, but I have experience from residuals to demonics. U2U me some time! I'd love to hear your "backstory" as it were!

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Thats awesome- I will U2U we'll chat! I always love to meet fellow spirit rescuers!



[edit on 11-2-2010 by xynephadyn]

I've lived most of my life in south jersey so I know all about the jersey devil; but you're pic, OP, looks like a deer to me.

I live on the Canadian East Coast, for almost 90 years there were rumours of a large cat being seen in remote areas. Everytime the storey surfaced it was met by teams of experts to refute the claims and discredit those making them.

A couple of years ago a cougar was caught (not native to my area) and finally proved that these people were right. Oddly enough, once there was a specimen the experts were able to find records of a pregnant female escaping from a circus in the early 1900's.

As much as I love science, it has been ursurped and the scientific method replaced by dogma.

Whether this is legit or not I don't know, but at least there are people trying to investigate these 'legends'.

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Or just something living that's rare and undiscovered?

I doubt that. Plenty of legendary creatures (angels, dragons, pegasi, etc) are depicted as being winged versions of familiar tetrapod morphologies. Though they'd actually be hexapods, like insects, since they have six appendages. Two fore arms, two hind legs, two wings.

Yet, I can't seem to bring to mind a single example of some other amphibian, mammal, reptile, or avian example current or in the fossil record, an example of a species which shares a similar hexapoidal morphology with that depiction of the Jersey Devil. All examples of reptiles, mammals, amphibians, and avians which have developed adaptations to flight have done so by the growth of connective segments of skin either between the forearms and hind legs, or have adapted their forearms into the wing structure. Skin flaps between appendages without modified forearms usually typical of gliders, while significant forearm adaptation into a wing is typically indicative of controlled flight due to the muscles in the upper torso and back being necessary to provide the up & down stroke.

Some animals have been born with extra limbs, though this is usually the result of a genetic mutation or the unincorporated remains of an absorbed twin.

If the Jersey Devil has any relatives in the fossil record, then there's no doubt I think, that it's closest common ancestors would be the Crocoduck and Fiji-mermaid. This isn't to say outright that such a creature cannot exist out there somewhere... but that evolution would not have created such a creature. It simply doesn't work like that. To suggest the pictures in the OP represent a previously unknown creature native to our biosphere would run contrary to every observation we've made by the study of comparative morphology.

IF such a creature does exist, it would ultimately be more likely that it was a space alien's runaway pet than to suggest it is a product of evolution. Or an escaped specimen of limb grafting/genetic modification. However, I'm personally more inclined to suggest that it's simply urban legend and myth. Likely a hoak or an actual unexplained event which has since been embellished or forged into absurdity. Were an actual Jersey Devil creature stalking the Garden State, I doubt it would resemble the illustration in the OP.

Y'know, I don't care what anyone says.
I don't care if the image is a duck-duck-goose-deer-manbearpig...to me it's the Jersey freakin' Devil.
Now, let me be so I can get back to arguing with the voices...

Why couldn't Mothman and the Jersey Devil be interdimensional beings, if they in fact do exist?

Originally posted by Silicis n Volvo
and this has to do with top secrets, conspiracies, paranormal phenomena how??

the jersey devil is hardly a phenomena

Eh, "Cryptozoology and Mythical Beasts" Jersey devil: I do see the relevance, actually.

Nice thread.

Too much of that episode was them 'seeing what they wanted to see.'

They should stick to helping families and leave the 'investigations' to the other shows.

I knew when they decided to copy the other ghost hunter shows by doing the investigation in the prison that they were probably being pressured to bring up ratings, but COME ON.....if you are going to claim you have photos of the 'Jersey Devil' you better hope they're undisputable.

One has to realize that the US was settled only 300 years ago, so I do relate much of historical background information concerning these cryptozoological creatures from the original inhabitants of North America , Native Americans.

Yes, I am NOT an expert in FLIR images, and have no such desire for that matter.

The FLIR image of the deer, rich in red/orange signatures conveys my point of an IR image of a warm blooded animal.

My point being a cold blooded vs warm blooded image would differ if captured by a FLIR due to the fact that cold blooded creatures do not produce their body heat internally as animals do but instead acquire their body heat externally.

As a result this is why I suspect that this might very well be a cold blooded reptilian creature, along the lines of a Teradactyl which is further corroborated with the lore of local Indians of the Pine Barrens area, the Lenni Lenape tribes who called the Pine Barrens “The place of the dragon”.

Now read this witness encounter/report from August 2007 and his description:

It was just a late night drive home from Philadelphia one evening. I am used to the drive and often see deer and other creatures crossing my path, however this was nothing I had ever seen before. It crossed from farm land on the left side of the road to a dense patch of trees to the right. Color is often hard to describe at night but it appeared to have grey, leathery skin. It appeared to me at first like a kangaroo but was using more of its front legs, sort of half crawling, half slithering. The hind legs were more prominent, again like a kangaroo. It had a pointed tail which was not dragging, but stuck out straight behind the creature. It appeared very streamlined. It had an angular pointed head which resembled a horse. It was larger than any fox I had ever seen and appeared hairless. It also seemed to have an eerie glow about it, possibly due to the color in the moonlight and headlights.

The nature of the protrusion of the tail, head shape and leathery skin sounds very much like a reptile to me...

Originally posted by nh_ee


If it indeed was more than one creature we'd see the signature of the legs at least behind it as well..

Deer would glow red, and also are found in small herds.

Looking at the color of the IR signature which wasn't red as the investigators were captured on camera, or whatever that was captured sitting in the tree, which both of which indicating something warm, but in this image was more of a green and blue color, relatively cool makes me think that this could even be under the genre of a cold blooded reptilian like creature. Reptiles aquire their body heat from external sources and hence the term cold blooded.

Definitely interesting. I take it for what it is. Its an IR signature that doesn't fit the profile of most animals in the area.

Sorry I've got to disagree with most of what you've said. I have a FLIR unit and animal fur depending on thickness and coarseness will cause the camera to show a different heat signature. Air temperature on the fur also effects the color. 35 degrees last night and my dog appears purple except for eyes and open mouth. So there is absolutely no reason to rule out a deer or a large bird. The thing in the tree wasn't of interest. Now what is of interest is the thing on the ground. The head facing to the right looks like a deer. It also looks like another deers head appearing as the wing. Deer do not always travel in herds, most I've seen in 35 years of whitetail deer hunting have been solo or a pair. While they do travel in herds it doesn't preclude them from being a single or a pair. The average body temperature of a deer is 104 degrees which is a little bit high because of the stress involved on the anilmal when taking the temp with a rectal thermometer. My guess is the image was taken late fall in NJ with an air temp in the high 30s low 40s. Having a cooling effect on the fur makes the 94 degree reading plausible.

But I have a different thought. I believe the image was likely faked. Or rather the image was real but the thing causing the image wasn't an animal. 1st, PRS has been caught faking evidence. 2nd once the animal was on the imager it didn't move even though they made a ton of noise. Any wild animal with the exception of a cat will flee. They didn't try to approach it at all. Which tells me they knew the source of the image. I believe they set up a prop with a heat source. It fits PRS's profile. It explains the creature not moving and it explains them not closing on the creature. And they have a habit, especially the big boy, of pursuing anything of interest.

Funny they didn't even look for a rational explanation for the noises in the forest which were easily explainable.

Originally posted by nh_ee
The FLIR image of the deer, rich in red/orange signatures conveys my point of an IR image of a warm blooded animal.

My point being a cold blooded vs warm blooded image would differ if captured by a FLIR due to the fact that cold blooded creatures do not produce their body heat internally as animals do but instead acquire their body heat externally.

The thermal image was output in greyscale. how can the animal be glowing red in a black and white image?? The animal is warm blooded.

The deer in this thermal image taken by me is gray too,. Is it also a cold blooded deer?
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Sorry for OT post.

Originally posted by Threadfall
I've lived most of my life in south jersey so I know all about the jersey devil; but you're pic, OP, looks like a deer to me.

I've lived in SJ all my life & spent most of my childhood visiting & camping in the Pine Barrens....Beautiful, quiet, & peaceful down there. We take our kids down there when we want to go for "drives". I personally don't believe the story of the J.D.....Does something strange exist down there???? Maybe, maybe not. I did see the episode of Paranormal State, and to me, the pic looks like one of those dragons, from the childrens show "Dragon Tales".....But, I think it's a deer.

Originally posted by dainoyfb

Originally posted by nh_ee
The FLIR image of the deer, rich in red/orange signatures conveys my point of an IR image of a warm blooded animal.

My point being a cold blooded vs warm blooded image would differ if captured by a FLIR due to the fact that cold blooded creatures do not produce their body heat internally as animals do but instead acquire their body heat externally.

The thermal image was output in greyscale. how can the animal be glowing red in a black and white image?? The animal is warm blooded.

The deer in this thermal image taken by me is gray too,. Is it also a cold blooded deer?
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Yes this image above is what I have seen from most helicopters on "cop shows" when they're chasing a suspect that has ditched a car. They appear to be bright white, while everything else, save for other people, and things that are 90 degrees or higher, are dark dark grey or black.

I suppose useing this "greyscale" setting would be good when looking for a suspect that has ran into a wooded /forest area or an open field, where most everything but the suspect is gonna be nearly dark gray to black as in your photo of the deer.

Have to agree the image that PRS took of the "jersey devil" was shot with FLIR, useing greyscale.

Perhaps just another of thier MANY little trick to decieve the audience. This time maybe trying to get them to believe the animal must be cold blooded, therefor a reptile, which would go well with Jersey Devil.

Although when you thing of it a devil is not a dragon like most sketches of the Jersey Devil depict. As far as I've remembered devils have hooves, and horns(not reptial like horns, but more of the consistancy you'd see on a mammal). So a devil really would be a mammal in my opinion, not a reptile.

Either way after looking for an hour or so on the web at various PRS hoaxes, and some stories of terrible behavior of Chip Coffey, and the HUGE ego that guy Ryan has, I can't take anything from that show seriously.

As I said I watch it for laughs. Cause they are horrible actors, and thier approach is so corny. Chip has all the infomation on the activity in the houses in question names, areas where things have been seen ect before he even takes one step inside the house. The show is filled with lies and deeption imo.

They even pulled the episode w/ the exorcism of the young girl off you-tube because it came off so bad. If anyone can find that I'd like to see it..I missed it when it was on, and I'd love to see how bad it was

[edit on 11-2-2010 by Nola213]

Awesome! An infra-red chicken!
Just my opinion, but these ghost shows are even stupider than pseudo-reality and dead-head celebrity gossip shows.

I just watched this last night on TiVo. It looks pretty good. Whether it is real or not, we'll never know but I feel that Paranormal State is coming to an end.