Pentagon + Global Hawk = 911 attack

John Lear

Originally posted by mikelee
John Lear

Still no mention of his training as a crash investigator, or any other kind of training in that field. No mention of any kind of forensics training either.

He may know a lot about it, but without the specific training how can his opinions be worth anything?

[edit on 21/2/10 by COOL HAND]

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Yet he has no experience as an aircraft incident investigator.

Well if he was not talking about the crashes but the flight paths and FDRs.

He does not need experience as an investigator for that.



[edit on 22-2-2010 by REMISNE]

reply to post by mikelee


Dude!!!

Capt. John Lear is more pre-eminent in the area of UFO studies, and has made MORE outrageous claims in that field than he has in 9/11 discussions!!!

YES, his life experience is on record....MINE would be, too, if I were the son of a famous person....

ALSO, IF I had a famous last name, it might have given me cache' into doing the things that Capt. Lear did...and provided the funding TO do them!!!

Look, there are a LOT of airline pilots in the world with 15,000 to 20,000 hours!!! Not all of them agree with John Lear!

Please remember that Capt. Lear, here on ATS (when he deigned to participate) was ADAMANT about the "hologram" theory of AAL 11 and UAL 175, in NYC!!

He put forward the "n0 planes" hypothesis!!!! Repeatedly, and with relish!!

Come on!!!

You wish to hitch your wagon of 'credibilty' to his star?

(PS....to further the "hologram" delusion, he had to fabricate space-based top-secret DEW -- Directed Energy Weapon -- beams from invisible -- AKA 'cloaked' -- orbiting platforms!!! -- to account for the destruction of WTC 1 and WTC 2. He is ON RECORD as stating this, very often!!!)

reply to post by REMISNE

Well if he was not talking about the crashes but the flight paths and FDRs.

And he was incorrect, as has been revealed by a better and more recent read-out of the AAL 77 FDR data.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
And he was incorrect, as has been revealed by a better and more recent read-out of the AAL 77 FDR data.

You mean the FDR that has not beeen verified as belonging to AA77?

reply to post by REMISNE


That is a one-note-wonder refrain, and it's becoming tiresome.

EVERY reasonable person on the planet, who has looked into this, acknowledges that the FDR found AT the Pentagon cold only have come FROM the airframe that was flight "AAL 77".

Complaints about "missing serial numbers" are absurd!

Those are the destractions used by these "9/11 truthers" who hope people won't look deeper into their "claims".

MOST of the general public are simply uneduacted into HOW FDRs work, and how much data they compile.

I've mentioned this countless times...At a minimum they are required to record the last 25 hours' worth.

IF YOU (or anyone else) wishes to bring into question the veracity of the FDR found at the Pentagon, that was installed on the airframe that was AAL flight 77, then it is encumbent upon YOU (or THEM) tol show 'proof', based on the hours and hours of previous data.

It really is that simple....

Good luck!!!

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Complaints about "missing serial numbers" are absurd!

Well according to the NTSB handbook part and serial numbers are required in an investigation. I suggest you look at the second and third items.


www.ntsb.gov...
3.4. Recorder information shall be sent/emailed to the Chief of the Vehicle RecorderDivision and the FDR specialist, as soon as possible. This information can be obtained from the airline and/or the airframe manufacturer. Specifically, the following information is required to facilitate data readout:

! FDR manufacturer/model (Fairchild, Sundstrand, Allied Signal, L3, etc)
! FDR Part number and Serial Number
! FDAU (flight data acquisition unit) manufacturer/model and part number
! Parameters recorded
! Word(s) and bit location(s) of each parameter
! Conversion algorithm for each parameter
! Parameter range
! Original owner/upgraded retrofit history
! Airline, recorder maintenance/readout facility contact phone number.

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Complaints about "missing serial numbers" are absurd!

Well according to the NTSB handbook part and serial numbers are required in an investigation. I suggest you look at the second and third items.

You apparently missed the title of that publication....

"Flight Data Recorder Handbook for Aviation Accident Investigations"

What "accident" at the Pentagon are you on about? There was not a accident investigation, as we all know what caused the crash of flight 77 into the Pentagon!

Originally posted by dereks
What "accident" at the Pentagon are you on about? There was not a accident investigation, as we all know what caused the crash of flight 77 into the Pentagon!

Well if you knew anything at all you would know that 9/11 is a criminal investigation and the crashes have to be investigated. Part of the investigation will include the proper ID of the planes and parts.

The NTSB wil be using the protocols for accident investigation to support the FBI.




[edit on 22-2-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by REMISNE
Part of the investigation will include the proper ID of the planes and parts.

Which was done, so what are you whining about then? You seem very confused once again!

The NTSB wil be using the protocols for accident investigation to support the FBI.

Yes, so what are you on about?

reply to post by REMISNE

The NTSB wil be using the protocols for accident investigation to support the FBI.

Please show, then, where the NTSB did not, as you claim.

SHOW where anything was "hidden", or "omitted", as you have been repeatedly claiming.

Absent any substantiating evidence, all you have is your "opinion"...and that is where you fail, because ALL you have is innuendo.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Please show, then, where the NTSB did not, as you claim.

SHOW where anything was "hidden", or "omitted", as you have been repeatedly claiming.

Absent any substantiating evidence, all you have is your "opinion"...and that is where you fail, because ALL you have is innuendo.

There are no reports showing part and serial numbers to the FDRs or any other parts. Including the report from the Chief of the Vehicle Recorder Division






[edit on 22-2-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by dereks
Which was done, so what are you whining about then? You seem very confused once again!

Please show me an offical report showing proper ID of the planes and parts.

Yes, so what are you on about?

So where are the reports that show part and serial numbers matching parts to the planes?

reply to post by REMISNE


Oh, so you mean you haven't done a 'Google' search?? I found t his very easily.

Sorry that the specific S/Ns you wish to see were blacked out (or in this case, 'yellowed out"....maybe the FACT that they were in the report, but not made public is the problem you're having???

Geee.....an ongoing criminal investigation???

huh....

But every 'sceptic' out there demands to "know" all the details???

RIGHT NOW!!!

The very definition of a paranoid delusional 'conspiracy' mindset.

Originally posted by REMISNE
There are no reports showing part and serial numbers to the FDRs or any other parts. Including the report from the Chief of the Vehicle Recorder Division

Because it was not a accident investigation.... why do you find that fact so hard to understand? We all know which plane was crashed into the Pentagon....

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Sorry that the specific S/Ns you wish to see were blacked out (or in this case, 'yellowed out"....maybe the FACT that they were in the report, but not made public is the problem you're having???

There are no reports showing part and serial numbers to the FDRs or any other parts. Including the report from the Chief of the Vehicle Recorder Division.

Geee.....an ongoing criminal investigation???

What does that have to do with the FDR data that has been released for years?

But every 'sceptic' out there demands to "know" all the details???

No only people with common sense and some work and life experience that can see someting is not right demand to know the truth.




[edit on 22-2-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by dereks
Because it was not a accident investigation.... why do you find that fact so hard to understand? We all know which plane was crashed into the Pentagon....

You have no actual evidence of what plane crashed into the Pentagon.

reply to post by REMISNE


What?!?!?

Do you not bother to read links we provide for you???

"...on September 11, 2001, the (redacted) (redacted) (redacted) (redacted) received an L-3 Communications Fairchild Aviation (redacted) model A-100A cockpit voice (redacted) (CVR) ..."

The information you seek is THERE, but removed from public viewing....BECAUSE of the nature of the criminal investigation!!!!

It is not for YOU to see, since you haven't the right!

Tell ya what....go to law school, graduate, get hired and go to work for the Government, and get assigned to this case....THEN (unlikely, but just maybe) you will have access to this info.

Otherwise, trying to discuss this with you is just a waste of our time.

Originally posted by REMISNE
Well according to the NTSB handbook part and serial numbers are required in an investigation. I suggest you look at the second and third items.

Isn't that the handbook for ACCIDENT investigations? Roger, do you think the plane crashes on 9/11 were accidents?