Is the beginning of the end of gas as we know it?

This could very well be the end of gas as we know it or at least the beginnig of the end?

Florida, Louisiana gas stations halt sales of bad fuel

By ALAN SAYRE
Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS -- Just before the heavy-driving Memorial Day weekend, Shell Oil has stopped the sale of gasoline at more than 500 of its stations in the South because of high levels of sulfur that can damage vehicle fuel gauges and make an empty tank appear full.

The damage done by the bad gasoline could cause some drivers to run out of gas unexpectedly. Also, car owners may have to replace their fuel gauges -- a repair job that can easily cost $400 to $600.

The tainted gasoline originated at the Motiva Enterprises refinery in Norco, La., according to Shell. Motiva is the refining arm of Shell in the East and South.

www.chron.com...

Now I know it just says this was due to bad sulfur but what if it's something more than that. Any thoughts?



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[Edited on 28-5-2004 by mrmulder]

This is indeed the begining of a slow end to gas and oil.

As the belt on oil is drawn tighter we will see it just fall out of use, but over a long time and gradually.

The problem right now isn't lack of gas, but lack of easy to get to good oil. As the major reserves go dry we turn to hard to get to an impure sources.

This *could* be the case here though most likely shell was just trying to cut corners.

There are lots of "everything is ok" people out there talking about oil fields refilling but the truth is they aren't and anyone involved with oil drilling is well aware of that.

The problem isn't the lack of oil. It the lack of easy, cheap, good oil.

If you are under the age of 50, expect to see oil become a secondary fuel source in your life time. And pray humanity gets through it ok.

I'm 16 and I fully expect that oil will no longer be used at some point in my life. At least not to the extent it is today. But you never know, those 50's shows about the future had us mowing our yards on Mars with nuclear powered lawnmowers by now lol.

Thats an interesting thought RogueX.

Many people have us living in a fusion powered world in 50 years...but as we have seen the view of the future is often more fancy than fact.

This very mentality may be our undoing.

You're at a great age, young enough to remember the oil age and old enough to go head strong into the future.

Originally posted by Quest
This is indeed the begining of a slow end to gas and oil.

If you are under the age of 50, expect to see oil become a secondary fuel source in your life time. And pray humanity gets through it ok.

Pray hard! We have two chances of getting through the Oil Wars to come; Slim and None.
Don't forget that as the supply tightens demand continues to grow. Combined with the increased demand for coal, dramatic climate shift is being exacerbated.

The "future" won't feature young RogueX mowing his lawn on his nuclear Lawn-boy. More likely, if he is VERY lucky and well trained in military tactics/survival, he might be riding about with Mad Max scavanging for food and fuel, killing to survive.

More likely, if he is VERY lucky and well trained in military tactics/survival, he might be riding about with Mad Max scavanging for food and fuel, killing to survive.

Actually I've gotten letters from West Point wanting me to go to college there. If global war seems unavoidable I might go, that way I can at least be armed and trained to survive.

When I reach the top I'll remember everyone on ATS that flamed me so watch out!

Reply to Quest PEAK OIL

Quest, you pose an important and timely question. If I you would allow me the liberty to rephrase vital query:

What is the future of petroleum, and its related products, as the world�s main source of energy?

If the reader does a simple Google search of the term Peak oil one finds a wealth of professionally prepared from multiple sources describing the implication of the concept.

Peak Oil is the point at which the world�s demand for oil equals the world�s maximum ability to produce and supply oil to meet demand. Studies show we are fast reaching that point. And the world�s supply of economically recovery will soon be exhausted.

The Carlyle Group has sponsored a study by the world foremost experts on the subject which predict the world supply will be exhausted soon after 2020. This study has been confirmed by other professionals in the field.

These same experts also hold that the development of a fuel substitute to oil will not be ready in time to substitute for the declining availability of petroleum. Poor planning; denial of the existence of the problem; wishful thinking that some magic event will come to the rescue; gutting measures promoting fuel economy; political infighting, partisanship and shortsightedness has ensured serious economic dislocation in the world�s economy will become a reality.

The implications of this are profound.

I could list many of the consequences of this economic event and how it will affect you. I could also make a very compelling argument that many policies Bush Administration, seeming not to make sense, or in keeping with past behaviors in international relations has been motivated by this reality.

I could also predict that our country�s goals will be for world domination; that the standard of living we experience now will be seriously diminished; and we will be engaged in wars with the competitors for the diminishing energy resources.

But, I ask the reader to NOT believe what I predict, but to study, read, think and form your conclusions independently.

Excellent Post!

Reference to Peak Oil is quite informative: www.google.com...

Obviously, The Shrub Administration is well aware of this scenario but chooses to ignore the threat. Seeking to secure Oil supply in the short-run would appear to be short-sited and inflamitory at best.

In all likelyhood we have already reached the point of Peak Oil production. www.peakoil.org...
It remains the plain truth that the Population does NOT realize this, at least not on a concious level.

scottsquared...
I guess you happened to not see this little 'jewel' buried in your google linking?
Peak Oil is a known fraud based on ignorance of Russian and Ukrainian Science

Pretty indepth.....



seekerof

Yes. The Bush Administration and its members have known this for very long time. In fact, many key positions to advance the Bush Policy have been filled with long time friends of the Bush Family.

The Policy � unknown by the American people - is the �unfinished� business from Bush �41. It is Bush �43 who has been tasked with its completion. Any idea I have is just a guess. But the bits and pieces which are known suggest consequences which defy credulity. I have firmly come to the conclusion that many of the actions of this Administration which �appear� to be foul-ups of an Administration out of control are in fact deliberate, well thought out actions to advance the Plans goals.

There are just to many odd relationships, happenings and other strange oddities suggesting a surreptitious and clandestine outcome for our future.

Wealth, power and control are in issue.

Take a look at just who composes the membership of the Carlyle Group for starters. Odd bed fellows wouldn�t you say?

Pique you interest?

I have no answers. Do your own research on the web � tons of real information, news reports, independent, professional assessment out there - to help form your own opinion.

Seeker, You have got to be kidding!
Your source is an endless opinion piece. ZERO VALUE!

Originally posted by scottsquared

Originally posted by Quest

The "future" won't feature young RogueX mowing his lawn on his nuclear Lawn-boy. .

You helped form a very funny mental image for me

lol

And stock up on those sticks and stone 'cause it will be back to the mattresses����Woops I meant caves.

Originally posted by scottsquared
Seeker, You have got to be kidding!

Your source is an endless opinion piece. ZERO VALUE!

scottsquared.....
Your a funny guy..really.
And you think your source(s) are something cause they have little graphs and pictures?
Btw, your main link, www.peakoil.org.....has a link given in the Links section from where else........? www.FromTheWilderness. My, my, and the link I provided mentioned that source how many times?
Seems that you may see it as you wish, but that ZERO VALUE link I gave either makes your source BS or gives a serious rebuttal, BUT nonetheless, does not amount to what you claim it is?



seekerof

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Just proves that we can source arguments that rebutt. I'm just not buying the "rosey" picture of oil as a renewable resource. We have to take arguments for face-value, if they tend to have a "smell" about them, they probably stink.

Ya, your right, a droll and sardonic wit have I!

Seekerof,

The idea that peak oil is a lie, hoax, or just wrong cracks me up.

Anyone knowledgable that is involved in the oild industry can confirm what many geologist and other scientist are saying.

Regardless of how oil forms there are empty oil fields. THe oil companies don't built expensive oil plat forms at sea then run lines miles long through the ocean and into the ground for fun. That stuff takes money, technology, and time. If the now dry wells of alaska and texas really could go on forever then the companies wouldn't be going about things the hardway.

Any one who has had even basic economics and current data can tell you that the demand to fast out growing the supply while at the same time new oil discoveries have come to a grinding hault and we are just pumping dry what we know of. (Except a few reserves like the Canadian Shale and Sand fields.)

The recent OPEC cut back are starting to show what oil prices can do to our economy as well. Not just oil based products are going up in price but EVERYTHING is because shipping takes fuel.

Anyways... If you want to ignore the problem, deny the problem, or put faith in mythical energy sources thats fine. In the end though we will all be trying to survive the end of the oil age in a decade or two.

I'm confused. ( An accomplishment not too hard to do.)

Your reply to seekerof argues for or against the concept of 'Peak Oil'?

Can you clarify your answer for me and expand you idea/concept/argument a tad more?

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by scottsquared
... oil as a renewable resource....

Renewable resource - defined
Any resource, such as wood or solar energy, that can or will be replenished naturally in the course of time. See:
rredc.nrel.gov...

Originally posted by Seekerof
you think your source(s) are something cause they have little graphs and pictures?

[Edited on 29-5-2004 by Seekerof]

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Rank. Rank Rank.

LOL


Seekerof, I'm suprised

Chill friend.............This place is a virtual one..........

I'm going to have to go with Seekerof on this one. I have done quite a few posts about this subject. Check them out:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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The article Asleep at the Switch (the time article that talks about Canada's burgeoning oil sands industry) is available at this link:
www.time.com...

Unfortunately, you must have a membership with Time to view it.

Also, another good article is, The Great Energy Scam, available at this link: www.time.com...

Again, you must have a membership.

The Great Energy Scam is all about the fake "Synthetic Fuel" industry, and how it only benefits certain companies and people in the corporate world.

Oil kind of reminds me of a quote from the book Dune, "Whoever controls the spice, controls the universe!" Just replace spice with oil, and you get the picture. Its all about control and monopoly. Disinformation is a great thing for those with money and power - it makes controlling the economy and people much easier.

My father used to work in the "Syn-Fuels" industry and can vouch for everything in the article The Great Energy Scam. He can also vouch for the article Asleep at the Switch. He's known quite a few petroleum geologists, and he will tell you that they are told not to tell the truth about whats really going on with most oil "reserves."

Incidently, that link that Seekerof posted, it says Mikhailo Lomonosov in 1757 proposed the notion that oil is a "fossil fuel." That is true, but what the article fails to mention is that one single man had that put as "fact" in the history books for schools: John D. Rockefeller. Mr. Oil Tycoon himself.

You see, he knew that if people knew oil was very abundant, and not going anywhere any time soon, that he'd have to keep his oil prices very low. So, what did he do? He marketed Mikhailo Lomonosov's "fossil fuel" theory as "fact." If people believed the oil to be a finite resource, and to be running out as quickly as we use it, then he could keep his oil price$ at a rock solid level. He then lobbied (bought people out) to have this "theory" put into all school history books as "fact" (or taught as "fact"). The point? That even after his death, most people in future generations would be kept ignorant (there are many other things he did to the education system, purposefully). Even today, most people think that "fossil fuels" are a reality.

Since many of the world's richest people are rich because of black gold, why would they spend any money looking for or developing alternative sources of energy? Keep the people ignorant, jack up prices, pocket the riches. Greed and self-interest is an inherent evil in 99.9999% of humans, unfortunately.

The oil is very far from running out, if ever, and I'm not pipe dreaming. Read up on Colorado shale. Here is an interesting link on it, from 2001: www.bizjournals.com...

Its not that they can't pump the stuff out, its that they don't want to spend the money to make money. They'd rather do it easy, and spend "less" money on liquid oil "reserves." Colorado shale is estimated to have billions, if not trillions of barrels of oil (the trillion barrel estimate is the most excepted one - 4 times that of Saudi Arabia's oil "reserves").

The point is: Don't believe what the government or oil cartels tell everyone. They are all in on this.

Even more by simply going to google and typing in:
Peak Oil is a Myth
Peak oil hoax



seekerof