Absolute proof: A Pentagon picture montage from start to finish

Originally posted by Tosskey
ANOK seems to be arguing that nothing hit the Pentagon because there were a few mounds of dirt.

Why are you putting word into peoples mouths?

Did I say that? No, so stop please.

All I did was reply to your witness claim, I doubt your witness claim because you can't see the impact point from most places around the pentagon.

Why are you talking about what witnesses say if you don't even know the witness is truthful or not? If you do this then you are complicit in spreading disinformation.

reply to post by Tosskey

You think people would really have hard time discerning between a 231ft Airliner, and a 20ft Cruise Missile.

Yeah I do..This thing was flying very very fast..
Most witnesses would only see it for a split second..
Witness reports included missiles,small planes and right up to a 747..

What I'd like is for you to show where "hundreds" said they saw a large passenger jet..

Originally posted by COOL HAND
I've done the research, but I am sure that whatever I post would be immediately discredited as made up hogwash to support my point.

if you're unwilling to share because you're too scared your information will be challenged, then you don't belong on ATS. If you don't how to look it up, try googling "fire temperatures Pentagon 9/11" or something like that.

Airplanes are made of aluminum and various other metals (steel struts or "backbone", I understand there are some titanium parts in the engines). Check it out online and see if your belief the airplane flew through an intact wall then burned up still holds water.

Originally posted by Yankee451
I'm just curious why anyone looking at the wreckage would automagically assume there was a jet

I don't automatically assume that and I don't think anyone else does.

Having run to the crash site right after the strike, Engineer Steve DeChiaro, the president of a technology firm, said: "[W]hen I looked at the site, my brain could not resolve the fact that it was a plane because it only seemed like a small hole in the building. No tail. No wings. No nothing.”

www.agoracosmopolitan.com...

Well that's not hard to understand. Sometimes there are survivors from plane crashes and more often than not the plane doesn't completely disintegrate. So it's a somewhat natural reaction to be a bit taken aback to see such disintegration. But it does happen. And it's not the only evidence, there's the missing plane, the missing passengers, the DNA from the passengers, all overwhelmingly pointing to the fact that not only was it a plane but exactly which plane it was.

Once you piece all that together, then yes, I agree we can marvel at how materials behave in dramatic situations like a crash. It's not always how we might expect, if we aren't experienced crash investigators, which most of us aren't. But you seem more amazed at it than I am, perhaps because I've had some personal experience in the past, working with explosives.

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by Tosskey

 

You can't follow the thought process?

Let me spell it out for you.

The evidence doesn't support your thought process; it does however support a wall breaching kit, implications be damned.

Follow?

Except, you haven't proven that. You've posted a few photos of what a hole looks like using a wall breaching kit, and use that as empirical evidence. As I've said, I've posted just as much evidence that it was a car that drove through the wall.

I think the biggest evidence that it WASN'T a wall breaching kit, just by looking at the photos, is that there is much more there than just wall debris. Please explain this, since you seem to be seeing some evidence that points to wall breaching explosives that I am not.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by Tosskey
ANOK seems to be arguing that nothing hit the Pentagon because there were a few mounds of dirt.

Why are you putting word into peoples mouths?

Did I say that? No, so stop please.

All I did was reply to your witness claim, I doubt your witness claim because you can't see the impact point from most places around the pentagon.

Why are you talking about what witnesses say if you don't even know the witness is truthful or not? If you do this then you are complicit in spreading disinformation.

You can see where the Pentagon was struck pretty clearly from the road across the way.

Originally posted by Tosskey

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Tosskey

 

So where did the plane go? It flew right at the Pentagon and disappeared? I'm curious.

Most witnesses saw "something" fly into the Pentagon..
Not all said a commercial jet....

Well this is the problem with debating with Truthers. Everyone believes something different.

Yankee451 seems to be arguing they're using wall-breaching kits.

ANOK seems to be arguing that nothing hit the Pentagon because there were a few mounds of dirt.

You think people would really have hard time discerning between a 231ft Airliner, and a 20ft Cruise Missile.

Where did you ever get the idea I was speaking for anyone but myself.

I find it easier to believe officials will lie than I can believe a jet can disappear, and the evidence supports that.

If the government hadn't fabricated such a transparently ridiculous story, we all might be as blissfully ignorant as the rest of you guys, but unfortunately their story isn't even possible much less provable.

I don't know what happened, but it's clear from the evidence what didn't happen...and that's that a plane caused the damage. A wall breaching kit fits the evidence; sorry if that implies something offensive...the implications left by the ordinance they used isn't my problem, I'm only noting it fits the bill, whereas a plane certainly does not.

Your evasiveness speaks pretty loudly.

What do you think the evidence shows?

Jet or explosives?

Most of us already know that 9/11 was inside job, but the problem here is what can we do about it? nothing, TPTB already knew that if we cracked 9/11 we still can't do anything except ranting on the internet.

reply to post by Tosskey


Do you actually read what people are saying?

I said you can't see the pentagon from MOST of the road due to the mounds, I didn't say all of it, that is why I asked for more information on your witness, where they were etc.

Did you see the beginning of the vid as he walks on to the bridge, you can see the mound blocking the view.

Look at these pics...









BTW they are all gone now...



Don't you even wonder what the mounds were for? Do you ever question anything your told by an authority?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Still in hypothetical-land are we?

I'm asking whether you think the C Ring damage indicates jet or explosive damage.

All I've seen is an enormous amount of evasive typing to avoid that question and many others from other posters too.

Amazing gyrations, but not an impressive argument. C Ring? Jet or explosives?

Originally posted by Tosskey
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You can see where the Pentagon was struck pretty clearly from the road across the way.

what you can see is the fires and damage location at the Pentagon, there's no indication it was "struck" in this or any other video.

Originally posted by MikeBoss
but the problem here is what can we do about it?

Talk about it in public. Most people believe what they see on the TeeVee, so it is our jobs to help snap them out of their trances.

ATS is a pretty mainstream "conspiracy" site so there will be a lot of new truthers coming here for the first time. Because of that, this is a good place to rant on the Internet. We'll never get through to our opponents, but their arguments will look pretty lame to newbies reading this stuff for the first time.

Keep talking about it.

Originally posted by MikeBoss
Most of us already know that 9/11 was inside job, but the problem here is what can we do about it? nothing, TPTB already knew that if we cracked 9/11 we still can't do anything except ranting on the internet.

I agree! This is where my role in all this comes in. I'm a Psychologist and researcher. The problem isn't with facts and evidence, the issue is with denial and fear concerning a drastic change in a person's world view; people will deny facts to hold on to their worldview.

But, we CAN make a difference! Have a lot of integrity in our arguments, post things (rarely) on facebook or just a casual mention here or there. This will keep this traumatic disaster in the public mind which will allow people to gradually heal, gradually accept facts, and truly start pushing for an investigation. Communication is the greatest weapon against oppression.

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by Tosskey

 

Do you actually read what people are saying?

I said you can't see the pentagon from MOST of the road due to the mounds, I didn't say all of it, that is why I asked for more information on your witness, where they were etc.

Did you see the beginning of the vid as he walks on to the bridge, you can see the mound blocking the view.

I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.

Mrs. Deb Anlauf, resident of Colfax, Wisconsin, was in her 14th floor of the Sheraton Hotel [located 1.6 mile from the explosion], (immediately west of the Navy Annex) when she heard a "loud roar": Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window. You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook. (…) Jeff didn't feel the impact of the plane crash as directly as his wife. He was attending an environmental meeting on the second floor of the hotel when the plane struck the Pentagon. About five seconds before the crash, Jeff said he heard the sound of "tin being dropped," likely as construction workers building an addition to the hotel saw the plane and dropped their building materials. "Then, about 5 seconds later, the whole hotel shook," Jeff recalled. "I could feel it moving. We said 'Oh, my gosh, what's going on?' "

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building." "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." The crew, Boger and Spc. Jacqueline Kidd, air traffic controller and training supervisor, prepared for President George W. Bush to arrive from Florida around 12:30 p.m.

There's dozens more just like that.

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Still in hypothetical-land are we?

I'm asking whether you think the C Ring damage indicates jet or explosive damage.

All I've seen is an enormous amount of evasive typing to avoid that question and many others from other posters too.

Amazing gyrations, but not an impressive argument. C Ring? Jet or explosives?

Again, you're considering the C-Ring damage in a vacuum, apparently.

When taking into consideration all the damage that has been throughly researched, it obviously points to a plane hitting the Pentagon, it's obvious that the damage was done by the Airliner.

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Still in hypothetical-land are we?

I'm asking whether you think the C Ring damage indicates jet or explosive damage.

All I've seen is an enormous amount of evasive typing to avoid that question and many others from other posters too.

Amazing gyrations, but not an impressive argument. C Ring? Jet or explosives?

The damage to the inner ring of C is obviously not from an airplane. If something had enough mass to punch a hole like that, if would have remained there in phsyical form. My speculation is that it was a missile, which was hastily removed or blown up in the process, or like you mention some sort of explosive device - although I'm not sure why they would bother creating a hole like that unless they were trying to get rid of something

reply to post by Thermo Klein

what you can see is the fires and damage location at the Pentagon, there's no indication it was "struck" in this or any other video.

At around 3:25 they zoom in near the impact zone just before the firemen start spraying..
Interesting view of the impact damage..

reply to post by Thermo Klein


OR...it was a compilation of the HUGE air-mass preceding the BLAST WAVE being pushed forward by the MASS of the AIRPLANE DEBRIS behind it???

Try to think for a change, OK?

reply to post by Tosskey

I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.

Dug it's wing into the ground, really ??

Originally posted by Tosskey
Again, you're considering the C-Ring damage in a vacuum, apparently.

When taking into consideration all the damage that has been throughly researched, it obviously points to a plane hitting the Pentagon, it's obvious that the damage was done by the Airliner.

I feel sorry for people with your mindset Toss. Here you're arguing all day about this and that, all the while holding onto this already sealed, unchangeable belief. You're trying to win an argument.

I challenge you to sit back, and try researching for a few days from the point of view there was no plane and see what opens up. You can always go back to your previous belief it was an airplane.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Thermo Klein

 

OR...it was a compilation of the HUGE air-mass preceding the BLAST WAVE being pushed forward by the MASS of the AIRPLANE DEBRIS behind it???

Try to think for a change, OK?

a huge blast of air that made a circular hole on a wall!!? you call that thinking??