Absolute proof: A Pentagon picture montage from start to finish

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


You're merging two stories together:

Did a plane hit the Pentagon? No.

Was there really a flight 77? I don't know...
Giving stories about alleged people on a flight 77 is important but in no way says that flight hit the Pentagon. Did those people exist? You prove they did before we can speculate what happened to them. If there was an actual AA flight 77 that day I am very sorry for the loss of life. I hope someday we know what happened to them.

Originally posted by tac109
Just curious, were there any documented/recorded eye witness accounts from people that saw the plane hit? Or flying in the area? There must have been tens of thousands of people in the area, in commute etc etc. Also in all the footage of the planes hitting the towers you can clearly see the wings go through the building aswell.

In responce to the above quotation. There were a lady witness who saw a "Jet Fighter" [F16] flying in at extremely low altitude at high speed [estimation 700mph] which she saw fire a missile from its under belly. The fighter clipped a street lamp [pictures of this up rooted street lamp exist] and was out of control. Thus the jet fighter flew into the pentagon building simultanious as the missile hit too. As regard to engine parts at the pentagon a small single jet engine turbine shaft was found which fits very well with the witness report of a F16 type of fighter jet. A few days before the attack notice the "H" symbol was painted on the lawn right where the fighter hit. Is this coincidence ? Another coincidence was that the wing of the pentagon that was attacked was unoccupied that day for renovation work. Just coincidence ? The picture provided of a piece of the metal of the aircraft that hit the pentagon laying on the lawn looks to me as being simply a part from a Navy F16 fighter jet. The colourations are typical USA Navy fighter jet type colours.

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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
that we saw an airplane crash into the Pentagon.

Why didnt you post the pictures of a 757 undercarriage found inside the Pentagon?

Why didnt you post the picture of a 757 wheels found inside the Pentagon?

Why didnt you post the picture of a 757 engines found inside the Pentagon?

Why didnt you post the picture of 757 damage caused to the outside of the Pentagon before it collapsed?

Why didnt you post the evidence of where the body parts from Flight 77 were found inside the Pentagon?

Why didnt you post the picture of 757 wreckage on the lawn outside the Pentagon?

All these pictures have been posted here many times before, but of course you ignore them as they destroy your silly theory that a 757 did not crash into the Pentagon!

WHERE ARE THEY?
HOW ABOUT YOU ! POSTING THEM, Please please please.
Enough with the constant quick to jump defense attorney on EVERYTHING you post against.
I'm looking at a very small hole that could have NEVER been made by a VERY LARGE plane.
Make me believe, come on please I WANNA BELIEVE,
I wouldnt mind being sooooooooooooo stupid to discount every possible law or logic I've ever learned, I WANT to be the converted one, because I find it INSANE that this was done and I fine it equally insane that the OS is defended. Yet my intelligence forbids me to see the emperors clothes,
SO PLEASE provide me with all the proof all the films all the pictures all the statements that are HIDDEN AWAY for our own good because WE cant handle the truth that we were and are PLAYED..

so where is bin-lardin, i cant see him sitting on the cruse missile?

OMG ....... Are you trying to say that MY government had something to do with the TERRORIST ACT of 9-11........

My government is very peaceful and just wants peace throughout the world.....that's why we are SPREADING democracy everywhere we see fit.....


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reply to post by CAELENIUM


Got any pictures?

I think if we consider something as evidence, we need to be just as stringent on both sides of the argument. I don't see any evidence of an F-16 in those pictures either.

Well, not being from the US, I've never really studied the Pentagon case...I've done a little study into the 9/11 case...and I'm still 50/50 on that one...but having examined the evidence you presented in this thread, and doing a little bit of my own research...I can safely say you'd have to be an absolute moron to believe a jumbo jet hit that building...and what's this about a missing bit of film which would have shown what really hit the building? *mega face palm*

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reply to post by Thermo Klein


I don't think they are two different stories at all. If you are positive that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon...where did it go?

I'll ask this question for the third time now, which is more likely:

A) The government swapped Flight 77 for a missile and subsequently hushed EVERYONE involved, including relatives, flight controllers, and American Airlines staff without ANYONE spilling the beans in the nearly 10 years since the event.

or

B) Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, and you're just not an expert on the dynamics of a plane slamming into a reinforced structure.

I know I am certainly not an engineer, and I would suspect you aren't either. Without such knowledge, I don't think either of us (nor most people who post 9/11 conspiracy sites) can say with certainty WHAT would happen if a plane hit a building of that strength at a given speed.

That being said, I don't know which side of the fence I fall on as far as the government being involved or not. I do, however, feel there is much more evidence supporting Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon than the opposite being true.

Originally posted by TaZCoN
reply to post by Styki

 

My best guess would be that the plane destined for the pentagon was the one rumsfeld told us was shot down over Pennsylvania.

No, it was supposed to fly into WTC7 imo. This article spells out the scenario.

willyloman.wordpress.com...

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by Thermo Klein

 

I don't think they are two different stories at all. If you are positive that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon...where did it go?

I'll ask this question for the third time now,

Take a step back...

Does Santa use the chimney or the back door?

If I'm not sure that flight 77 existed I can't very well answer your question. You're up - prove it existed, THEN, maybe I'll attempt to learn more what might have happened to it. You may recall my thread is about what DIDN'T hit the Pentagon, not where an alleged airplane is.

I don't know what evidence convinces you that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Maybe take a look at the montage again... 12 foot hole, explosion outward, no airplane wreckage.


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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by Thermo Klein

 

If you are positive that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon...where did it go?

That being said, I don't know which side of the fence I fall on as far as the government being involved or not.

How old are you.?.... 9..?....

Stop asking where did the plane go and look at the evidence.....a plane COULD NOT fit in that hole......

Originally posted by Hmmm101
reply to post by Zosynspiracy

 

Do you know this for sure.... Did you see the Missle ?


I'm all for finding the Truth's... But until we the people see what actually hit the Pentagon... We don't know...

Many people said they saw a plane....


Some Said a Helicopter......

Some said it flew over.....

Until a real unbiased investigation is done, and the 50 something odd video's that were confiscated and never released are revealed, then we cannot be 100% sure what it was.

Hello,
So until the day all the real info is released, it is by default, a cover-up? I'm 100% sure I'm being deceived, due to lack of truth revealed.

Originally posted by rainfall
OMG ....... Are you trying to say that MY government had something to do with the TERRORIST ACT of 9-11........

My government is very peaceful and just wants peace throughout the world.....that's why we are SPREADING democracy everywhere we see fit.....

...

...

As soon as a people believe that they enjoy freedom you can be sure that they more than any other are a people enslaved. The USA is just as easy to enslave as any other nation. Overt slavery is not the problem here. The problem is covert slavery. If you were aware of the chains that bind you then you would break them and be free. However you are a slave binded by chains that you cannot see. The problems that affect the USA are not coming from abroad. The USA has a problem that lays within its own borders.

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Originally posted by Thermo Klein

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by Thermo Klein

 

I don't think they are two different stories at all. If you are positive that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon...where did it go?

I'll ask this question for the third time now,

Take a step back...

Does Santa use the chimney or the back door?

If I'm not sure that flight 77 existed I can't very well answer your question. You're up - prove it existed, THEN, maybe I'll attempt to learn more what might have happened to it. You may recall my thread is about what DIDN'T hit the Pentagon, not where an alleged airplane is.

You're dodging the issue. If you assert that Flight 77 didn't exist, then are you also suggesting that every person who claims a relative was on the flight is a government shill/agent, and that American Airlines is complicit in the crime by not reporting to the public that there was no Flight 77 near Dulles that morning?

I would think it would be pretty easy for ANY American Airlines employee, from the baggage handlers to the front desk workers, to call up the flight schedule and see there was no flight 77 to LAX planned. Why haven't any of them come forward?



[edit on 2/6/2010 by VneZonyDostupa]

Sorry mate, you haven't provided absolute proof of anything.

All you have provided is photos that have been bandied about here for years.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe what the government said happened on 9/11 is what happened on 9/11 but you haven't changed the playing field in any way, shape or form.

Get a solid video or photo of something other than the blurry crap that is available for the pentagon and then you might have something.

Until then your thread title is extremely disingenuous.

reply to post by rainfall


Which engineering school did you get your degree from, and how long have you been studying the dynamics of compaction in high-energy collisions? I mean, I'm not engineer, but it would make sense to me that a fairly delicate fuselage would crumple and narrow in a collision with a reinforced structure. Of course, how much and in what nature is beyond my scope of knowledge, but I certainly don't pretend to be an engineer, like *some* in this thread

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by rainfall

 

I'm not engineer, but it would make sense to me that a fairly delicate fuselage would crumple and narrow in a collision with a reinforced structure.

And I guess you think that two planes actually hit the twin towers on 9-11 too.....their delicate fuselage didn't seem to crumble.......they seemed to slip in that steel framed structure like a hot knife through butter.......

Originally posted by Isthisthingon
Sorry mate, you haven't provided absolute proof of anything.

All you have provided is photos that have been bandied about here for years.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe what the government said happened on 9/11 is what happened on 9/11 but you haven't changed the playing field in any way, shape or form.

Get a solid video or photo of something other than the blurry crap that is available for the pentagon and then you might have something.

Until then your thread title is extremely disingenuous.

The pictures that I saw of the up rooted street lamp and the picture of the metal laying on the pentagon lawn and the other picture that I saw showing the single engine jet turbine all fit together with the witness report I watched soon after 911 that it was a F16 fighter jet that attacked the pentagon. I am informed by amature plane spotters that flight 77 landed at Cleveland Airport safe and sound. The same spotters reported that all the crew and passengers were taken to a NASA building at the Cleveland Airport and were never witnessed coming out ever.

Originally posted by rainfall

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by rainfall

 

I'm not engineer, but it would make sense to me that a fairly delicate fuselage would crumple and narrow in a collision with a reinforced structure.

And I guess you think that two planes actually hit the twin towers on 9-11 too.....their delicate fuselage didn't seem to crumble.......they seemed to slip in that steel framed structure like a hot knife through butter.......

From the photos I've seen, the planes that hit the WTC towers demolished the weaker structures and left a good deal of the steal beams behind, which seems logical. In the case of the Pentagon, the entire structure is reinforced, so I would imagine the damage resulting from such a collision would me smaller.

Do you really think most of the WTC towers were built to be as structurally tough as the perimeter of the Pentagon? Have you ever seen schematics of the Pentagon's structure? Quite a bit different than a skyscraper's perimeter.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
I am informed by amature plane spotters that flight 77 landed at Cleveland Airport safe and sound. The same spotters reported that all the crew and passengers were taken to a NASA building at the Cleveland Airport and were never witnessed coming out ever.

And you think the scenario you describe above is easier and more logical than just using the plane as a weapon?

Seriously? You think that the government wanted to simulate an attack on the Pentagon and figured the easiest, most foolproof plan was to hide the plane at a public airport, escort the passengers and crew to a "NASA building", execute them, and summarily attempt to hide the bodies?

Following that, you think their devious plot would have gone off perfectly if it weren't for amateur plane spotters who were both at the Pentagon AND Cleveland airport that morning (how they beat a plane from the Pentagon to Cleveland is beyond me, they must have invested in a warp drive), who knew which building was the "NASA building", and stayed there to make sure those people came out again?



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