Absolute proof: A Pentagon picture montage from start to finish

Originally posted by prof-rabbit

Originally posted by rnaa

My question is, why, if they wanted to make it look like a 757 hit the wall, and they are so bloody good at conspiracies and hiding all the supposed passengers and all the preparations, why didn't they just crash the 757 into the Pentagon? If they wanted it to look like a 757 hit the Pentagon, why didn't they just hit it with a 757? What is so hard about that?
[edit on 8/2/2010 by rnaa]

Because it is extremely difficult (if near impossible) for a high lift wing to fly that close to the ground at high speeds. vis.

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The phenomenon of wing in ground effect is caused by the ground interrupting the wingtip vortices and downwash behind the wing. When a wing is flown very close to the ground, wingtip vortices are unable to form effectively due to the obstruction of the ground. The result is lower induced drag, which increases the speed and lift of the aircraft while it is experiencing the ground effect.
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more here

en.wikipedia.org...

You get n A++ for aerodynamic theory but need to brush up on current technology. Boing did a FDC software fix for the ground effect problem. The computer commands a power reduction to offset reduced induced drag and makes a minor elevator trim change. Wait a minute on the theory grade. ground effect doesn't change lift, only drag. And "very close" is not very quantifiable. Try "within one-half wingspan of the ground." And the 757 has winglets which already reduce vortex drag by effectively raising aspect ratio. OK, you still get an A-.

Originally posted by 4nsicphd

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Currently, EUROCAE specifies that a recorder must be able to withstand an acceleration of 3400 g (33 km/s²) for 6.5 milliseconds. This is roughly equivalent to an impact velocity of 270 knots and a deceleration or crushing distance of 450 cm.

OK it will withstand an impact velocity of 270 knots on the soft dirt, but perhaps not an impact at 500 kph into a reinforced concrete barrier. This crash apparently exceeds the parameters which the box was designed to withstand. They are pretty tough little boxes though.

deformation and crush resistance design parameters don't depend on what you hit except to the extent that what you hit can extend the "crush distance. If you are travelling at 500 km/hr and the DFDR stops in 450 cm, it doesn't matter whether reinforced concrete or silly putty stopped it. Trouble is, the DFDR in the 757 is in the tail, at a station aft of datum which is >5000 cm from the point of first contact. That gives a crush time of 12 times as long, greatly reducing the g load from deceleration.

After reading post after post of people that seem to know as little about physics as they do about crashes, it's nice to read a post by somebody that seems to know something of both. There are a few others that seem to know something too but unfortunately they are in the minority.

Yes I understand and agree with what you're saying, the front of the plane should act as a crumple zone providing a huge area for the tail to decelerate, and that's why the destruction of the black box is so unusual, that usually works.

I don't know why it didn't survive in this case but I can offer an educated guess. I suspect it might have something to do with the angle the plane struck the building at. Imagine for a moment it hit the pentagon wall head on at a 90 degree angle, there would have been plenty of the plane to offer the deceleration you refer to.

But because of the angle of impact, could some rotational forces have been induced such that the tail managed to strike something without the full crumple protection of the body of the plane in front of it? In that case the deceleration distance could be changed from the length of the plane to something substantially less than that.

Or maybe you have a better explanation for why the flight data recorder didn't survive in this particular instance.

reply to post by mikelee

Both you and randomname might be right. In the OPo's second video showing the helicopter's footage of the actual impact, it was definitely a missile launch. The shape and size of the blur lead me to believe it was the type that randomname posted a picture of; but I'm no expert, of course. As for the evidence of tampering with the video of the impact, there's no question in my mind. You'd think with all the great technology we have nowadays, the gov't could hire better animators. They all seem to follow the Kennedy assassination rule book when it comes to cover ups and they're so bad at it. Even if they got any better at it, they'd still screw something up. One thing about liars, they have to keep making up lies because they forget the lies they told before.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
NONSENSE!!!!

Please look at the damage photos!!!!

The damage photos show a tube of 6 concentric, same size holes - all only 1/2 as large as a 757 fuselage. And no airplane wreckage.

You write exactly how you feel... REALLY angry!!!! I'm sorry that you feel so strongly about this; it must be difficult having so many people with evidence going against your theory.

So those two last pictures.Do I have it right that the 'V' tail is shown and outlined to match with a bit shown in the final picture?Like it detatched and flew up and over the Building to be pictured in the clear?I always thought that thing(UFO?) in pic.6 was an aircraft.Looks pretty clear this is the thing.Dang,if that's so,it landed somewhere and was presumably taken somewhere.I bet if it landed on the Pentacon roof it tore out a chunk and hadda be repaired.Just sayin'

reply to post by Thermo Klein


No...the damage photos...if you care to look at ALL of them...do not show what you claim.

Only the ones you've seen....

This entire discussion goes off the deep end, every time, BECAUSE certain facts are left out, each and every time!

It is a 'circular argument' and is driven, and with some glee, I suppose, by the "truther" movement....

SIR (or Madam) I find increasingly interesting that YOU brought up the word "emotion"....because I have seen that, lately, invoked by a certain other ATS member, "impressme"....

It is almost as if there are "talking points" being spread amongst these so-called 'truthers'....

IN ORDER to try to keep their 'message' about the same, even as they keep shifting the goal-posts!!!

Folks....watch out for, and be wary of such tactics!!!!! It is manipulation, pure and simple!!!

www.ccs.neu.edu......

Furthermore, some of the FDR data (certainly position
and time, possibly altitude) require calibration
adjustments to resolve systematic discrepancies
between FDR and radar data. A certain amount of
subjective human judgement goes into that.

No one outside the government has physical access to
the FDR itself [1]. The FDR data are available to
the public only in the form of computer files [2].
There are actually two distinct computer files, an
FDR file that requires special software to decode,
and a more convenient summary called a CSV file.
The CSV file should have been derivative of the FDR
file, but the CSV file has been reported to contain
one extra data point at its end [3,4]. If true,
that means the government once had access to an FDR
file that is more complete than the one that has
been made public. Whether the government still has
that file and how much more data it contained are
unknown.

At least three investigators have reported that the
last data point contained within the FDR files puts
the plane on the order of a mile away from the
Pentagon, several seconds before impact [3,4].
The position, time, and altitude for that last data
point depend on exactly how the data were calibrated,
which is slightly subjective.




[edit on 9-2-2010 by REMISNE]

reply to post by Lillydale


9-10 Rumsfeld reported they couldn't account for a few trillion defense dollars under the control of Rabbi Zach.

Imagine my shock, the explosion happened in the accounting section trying to trace the lost funds.

U.S. democracy zero, zionist cabal 1.

Originally posted by beijingyank
reply to post by Lillydale

 

9-10 Rumsfeld reported they couldn't account for a few trillion defense dollars under the control of Rabbi Zach.

Imagine my shock, the explosion happened in the accounting section trying to trace the lost funds.

U.S. democracy zero, zionist cabal 1.

What on earth are you on about ? Rabbi Zach had control of the US defence budget for several years prior to 2001 ?

Care to back that up.

No wonder truthers are largely regarded as a joke.

100 accounts by those who SAW THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING. Sorry for the caps, but not really. You can look this article up on the internet the same way I did if you want to read each and every one of the published accounts. The footnotes are listed in the article.

Will have to make two posts.

1. “I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11… [It] slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon.”[118]
2. “I saw this plane right outside my window… Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon… It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon).” [119]
3. “It was coming down head first,” he said. “And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking.”[120]
4. “I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing…”[121]
5. “And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking.”[122]
6. “[The plane] impacted the side of the building.”[123]
7. “[I] saw the plane hit the Pentagon.”[124]
8. “Mark Bright, actually saw the plane hit the building.”[125]
9. “This aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon and seconds later crashed into it.”[126]
10. “I saw the plane hit and the fireball and explosion at the Pentagon.”[127]
11. “He realized he had a front-row seat to history, as the plane plowed into the Pentagon.”[128]
12. “I thought, ‘There’s no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,’ “Before he could process that thought, he saw “a huge mushroom cloud.”[129]
13. “He was in front of one of the blast-resistant windows [inside of the Pentagon as he saw the plane coming in to crash]…”[130]
14. “[The plane] nearly shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring.”[131]
15. “[he saw the plane] strike the building. ‘It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion,’ he said later Tuesday. ‘I didn't actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running.’”[132]
16. “This plane was going to slam into the Pentagon. I steeled myself for the explosion.”[133]
17. “The airliner crashed into the Pentagon and exploded.”[134]
18. “He saw the plane approach and slam into the west side of the structure… it crashed into the building and burst into flames.”[135]
19. “The plane approached the Pentagon… slicing into the building, said Lee Evey.”[136]
20. “The plane hit the building.”[137]
21. “We thought it had been waved off and then it hit the building.”[138]
22. “When [the plane] made impact with the Pentagon initially he saw smoke, then flames.”[139]
23. “It seemed like [the plane] made impact just before the wedge.”[140]
24. “He impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the helo[copter], tower.”[141]
25. “What instantly followed was a large yellow fireball accompanied by an extremely bass sounding, deep thunderous boom.”[142]
26. “This plane is going down into the Pentagon!”[143]
27. “By the time I looked up, the plane was moving so fast all I saw was an explosion.”[144]
28. “The crash was exceptionally loud… It shook the building and knocked people down who were closer to the point of impact.”[145]
29. “I [saw] an airplane descend into the side of the Pentagon.”[146]
30. “[He saw the plane] strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation’s military.”[147]
31. “He watched as the plane plowed into the Pentagon.”[148]
32. “[We] watched it crash.”[149]
33. “I turned my head to the right and saw it crash into the Pentagon about 200 yards away.”[150]
34. “‘There was a big noise when it hit the building,’ said Oscar Martinez, who witnessed the attack.”[151]
35. “My first thought was just ‘No, no, no, no,’ because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash.”[152]
36. “I saw it crash into the building…My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing.”[153]
37. “I saw…this big silver planerun into the side of the Pentagon.”[154]
38. “The plane, with red and blue markings, hurtled by and within moments exploded in a ground-shaking ‘whoomp’ as it appeared to hit the side of the Pentagon.”[155]
39. “I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass.”[156]
40. “[He] saw a plane crash into the building.”[157]
41. “I saw it crash.”[158]
42. “it was an American airlines plane that came in and hit the Pentagon.”[159]
43. “I knew it was about to crash.”[160]
44. “The impact created a huge yellow and orange fireball, he added.”[161]
45. “I am sorry to rain on your parade, but I saw the plane hit the building. It did not hit the ground first… It did not hit the roof first… and yes, it did impact the Pentagon… There was none of this hitting-the-ground first crap I keep hearing…”[162]
46. “The Pentagon is about a mile and half distant in the center of the tableau. I was looking directly at it when the aircraft struck.”[163]
47. “I saw the airplane” a split second before it struck.”[164]
48. “I looked back at the road, and when I turned to look again, I felt and heard a terrible explosion. I looked back and saw flames shooting up and smoke starting to climb into the sky.”[165]
49. “[He saw the plane] seconds before it exploded into the building.”[166]
50. “[the plane was] aimed like a dart straight into it.”[167]

The other half of them...

51. “The plane hit the Pentagon.”[168]
52. “I saw it hit the building.”[169]
53. “The plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. My first thought was he’s not going to make it across the river to National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction.”[170]
54. “[he saw it] fly 50 feet over I-395 in a straight line, striking the side of the Pentagon.”[171]
55. “[it] plowed into the south side of the Pentagon.”[172]
56. “And then he just slammed into the Pentagon.”[173]
57. “I saw an American airlines jet come overhead and slam into the Pentagon.”[174]
58. “[the plane flew] fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon.”[175]
59. “It added power on its way in…The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.”[176]
60. “A few minutes later, Vaughn witnessed the craft’s impact.”[177]
61. “Wallace hadn’t gotten far when the plane hit. ‘I hadn’t even reached the back of the van when I felt the fireball. It slammed into the building just a couple hundred feet from him… Wallace switched on the truck’s radio. We have had a commercial carrier crash into the west side of the Pentagon at the heliport, Washington Boulevard side.”[178]
62. “They watched the jet approach and slam into the Pentagon.”[179]
63. “It hit the Pentagon.”[180]
64. “[I saw the plane] crash right into the Pentagon.”[181]
65. “The only intelligent thought that came into my head was, ‘Oh my God, they hit the pentagon.’”[182]
66. “They turned and ran, and at the point of impact were partially shielded by their fire truck from the flying debris of shrapnel and flames.”[183]
67. “It slammed right into the building.”[184]
68. “[I saw the plane] keep coming and then slam into the front of the building.”[185]
69. “Looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir.”[186]
70. “[The plane] came from behind us and banked to the right and went into the Pentagon.”[187]
71. “The jet came in from the south and banked left as it entered the building.”[188]
72. “Engine 101… saw the airliner plow into the northwest side of the Pentagon. The radio crackled, ‘Engine 101—emergency traffic, a plane has gone down into the Pentagon.’”[189]
73. “I just watched it hit the building. It exploded… I could actually hear the metal going through the building.”[190]
74. “I saw it fly right into the Pentagon… ‘It just was amazingly precise… It completely disappeared into the Pentagon.”[191]
75. The plane seemed to be floating as if it were a paper glider and I watched in horror as it gently rocked and slowly glided straight into the Pentagon. [Note: this eyewitness claims he watched everything in ‘slow motion’ due to ‘adrenaline’].At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again—only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon……I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building”[192]
76. “The next thing we saw, the airplane crashed into the Pentagon…[It] sucked in the airplane.”[193]
77. “My people who did see it enter the building described it as entering the building and then there being flames coming out immediately afterwards.”[194]
78. “[It went] inside the side of the Pentagon.Obviously, it was going in the Pentagon purposefully.I told my husband ‘he’s going into the Pentagon.’We heard the direct hit—huge crash, saw this fireball, flame and smoke.”Reporter: ‘so you actually saw the plane impact the side of the building?’[Isabel:] “Yes I did.”[195]
79. “I cannot understand how that plane hit where it did giving the direction the aircraft was taking at the time. As most know, the Pentagon lies at the bottom of two hills from the west with the east side being next to the river at 14th street bridge… The wings came off as if it went through an arch way leaving a hole in the side of the building it seems a little larger than the wide body of the aircraft. The entry point was so clean that the roof (shown in news photo) fell in on the wreckage.”[196]
80. “I saw it hit the pentagon. It happened so fast… it was in the air one moment and in the building the next…”[197]
81. “It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere… It was very sort of surreal.”[198]
82. “The plane vanished, absorbed by the building, and there was a slight pause. Then a huge fireball rose into the sky.”[199]
83. “The plane came in hard and level and was flown full throttle into the building, dead center mass, Maj. Leibner said. “The plane completely entered the building… The plane went into the building like a toy into a birthday cake…The aircraft went in between the second and third floors.”[200]
84. “I think I actually heard it accelerate—and then it disappeared and a cloud of smoke started billowing.”[201]
85. “It hit the pentagon. It happened so fast… it was in the air one moment and in the building the next… I still have a hard time believing it, but every time I look out the window, it seems to be more real than it did the time before.”[202]
86. “A groundskeeper who watched in horror as the plane crashed into the Pentagon… The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into the building.”[203]
87. “We watched it go in. It struck the Pentagon, and there was no indication whatever that it was doing anything other than performing a direct attack on that building.”[204]
88. “The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon… the aircraft had been flown directly into the Pentagon without hitting the ground first or skipping into the building.”[205]
89. “The hijacked jet slammed into the Pentagon at a ferocious speed. But the Pentagon’s wall held up like a champ. It barely budged as the nose of the plane curled upwards and crumpled before exploding into a massive fireball. The people who built that wall should be proud. Its ability to withstand the initial impact of the jet probably saved thousands of lives.”[206]
90. “He also recalled seeing the tail of the plane as it entered the building, followed by a fireball that erupted upon the plane’s impact.”[207]
91. “The nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon. Still gripping the wheel, I could feel both the car and my heart jolt at the moment of impact. An instant inferno blazed about 125 yards from me. The plane, the wall and the victims disappeared under coal-black smoke, three-storey tall flames and intense heat.”[208]
92. “[It] headed for the Pentagon “at a frightening rate… just slicing into that building…”Then this thing just became part of the Pentagon… he saw the Pentagon “envelope” the plane.”[209]
93. “It was pretty horrible… he said of the noiseless images he carries inside him, of the jet vanishing in a cloud of smoke and dust… the memory starts to come back when he hears a particularly low-flying airliner heading into nearby Reagan National Airport.”[210]
94. “[It] crashed into the west side of the building…It happened so fast. One second I saw the plane and next it was gone.” Recalling those moments again, Ramey said it appeared the building sucked the plane up inside.”[211]
95. “It was headed straight for the building. It made no sense… A huge jet. Then it was gone. A massive hole in the side of the Pentagon gushed smoke. ‘Buildings don't eat planes. That plane, it just vanished. There should have been parts on the ground. It should have rained parts on my car. The airplane didn't crash. Where are the parts?’ That's the conversation I had with myself on the way to work… There was a plane. It didn't go over the building. It went into the building.”[212]
96. “[it veered] sharply and then slice into the Pentagon… [he] watched the plane slide silently into the Pentagon ‘like a car entering a garage’ [note: witness was far from Pentagon causing a delay before the explosion could be heard].”[213]
97. “I glanced up just at the point where the plane was going into the building…I saw an indentation in the building and then it was just blown-up up—red, everything red.”[214]
98. “It was an American airlines jet. And I watched it go into the building. I saw the big ‘AA’ on the side…”[215]
99. “[The plane went] into the Pentagon.”[216]
100. “It ploughed right into the Pentagon.”[217]

The above was pasted into an email to my friend. The original was posted on the Arabesque blog here;

arabesque911.blogspot.com...

-Enjoy.

reply to post by jaywoo


Not that this is for sure what happened... but ponder the fact that PERHAPS (large perhaps indeed), some sort of missile was disguised as a plane? maybe a plane shell made from an easily "disintegratable by collision with wall and low temperature, short burning flame afterwards" material?

Seems to me the only logical explanation for how a plane hits a building, disappears, and leaves damage exactly equivalent to that of a cruise missile.
Also, cruise missiles have MUCH better manoevrability than a giant boeing... maybe that's how it made it's aeronautically impossible turn, drop, lift (just before the crash)?

[edit on 9-2-2010 by randysz]

Originally posted by 4nsicphd

Originally posted by turbofan
You know what is TOTAL crap and I have not seen anyone bring up yet,
nor explain?

Look at photo #1, on page #1 of this thread:

WHY is the concentration of the fireball dead center where the fuselage
would impact the wall...instead of across the wing span?

Correct me if I'm wrong...but if that was a BOEING 757 that hit the wall,
the concentration of fire would be anywhere but the middle of the window.

Last time I checked, the fuel is stored in the wings, NOT THE FREAKIN'
FUSELAGE!



[edit on 8-2-2010 by turbofan]

Lst time you checked, huh??

Look at www.boeing.com... Yeah, more than 26,000l right dead center.

yup 26000 litres in the middle... maximum... so I assume the 16000 litres in the wings just decided to move to the middle before blowing up?

reply to post by Alfie1


You just don't get it. When the Patriots start hanging the neocon, zionist war mongering, baby killers, what are the quisling cointel thugs going to back up?

Missing Trillions
"Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference
On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." According to a report by the Inspector General, the Pentagon cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends. 1 2

Such a disclosure normally might have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried. To the trillions already missing from the coffers, an obedient Congress terrorized by anthrax attacks would add billions more in appropriations to fight the "War on Terror."

The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. 3 4 Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor." 5

911research.wtc7.net...

"The author has interviewed a Navy public affairs officer who was assigned to the Naval Command Center
on 9/11, one of the two major Pentagon west section areas destroyed that morning, the other being the Army Financial
Management/Audit area as mentioned earlier."
www.physics911.net...

Originally posted by IGottaBeMe
reply to post by mikelee

 

Both you and randomname might be right. In the OPo's second video showing the helicopter's footage of the actual impact, it was definitely a missile launch. The shape and size of the blur lead me to believe it was the type that randomname posted a picture of; but I'm no expert, of course. As for the evidence of tampering with the video of the impact, there's no question in my mind. You'd think with all the great technology we have nowadays, the gov't could hire better animators. They all seem to follow the Kennedy assassination rule book when it comes to cover ups and they're so bad at it. Even if they got any better at it, they'd still screw something up. One thing about liars, they have to keep making up lies because they forget the lies they told before.

2nd video in OP proven to be a hoax!

As I posted earlier in the thread, that video is a hoax. It is easily seen to be such if you pay attention where the CGI "missile" strikes the Pentagon... left of the center line. The real impact was quite a bit to the right of center line, which means undoubtedly that the person who made the hoax was not very careful to match the point of impact.

Find me ONE picture of anything that looks like an airliner SEAT in the wreckage!

Please, will somebody find me just one single photograph of the remnants of ANY airliner seats (there are hundreds in a 757). It doesn't have to be an intact seat, just a piece of the frame will do. Certainly, with that many seats in the aircraft, there must have been at least one that survived to a level of recognizability. It is way too far-fetched to think that every single seat was rendered to a state of unrecognizability. That is just way too far-fetched.

Please... anybody?

reply to post by prof-rabbit

Extraordinarily convenient.

Care to elaborate? Do you have a problem with the actual physics of ground effects that disproves your assertion, or with the actual pilots who fly the actual planes?



reply to post by prof-rabbit

We have just been through all of this, the engines weigh 5 tons each, the central mass is high strength steel and other exotic metals, these are spinning at 10,000 rpm.

Yeah? So? What do the construction materials or spin speed have to do with it?

Its thousands of little pieces that are designed to stay in one lump when doing their normal job, not when crashed into a building.

They are held in a housing, which you may be mistaking for the engines itself, which is there for streamlining only and is therefore as flimsy as possible and still maintain its integrity during normal flight cycles, not when crashed into buildings.

Please feel free to review this analysis: Pentagon and Boeing 757 Investigation. I think this link was included earlier in the thread, but you may have ignored it.

[edit on 9/2/2010 by rnaa]

Originally posted by beijingyank
reply to post by Alfie1

 

You just don't get it. When the Patriots start hanging the neocon, zionist war mongering, baby killers, what are the quisling cointel thugs going to back up?

Missing Trillions
"Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference
On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." According to a report by the Inspector General, the Pentagon cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends. 1 2

Such a disclosure normally might have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried. To the trillions already missing from the coffers, an obedient Congress terrorized by anthrax attacks would add billions more in appropriations to fight the "War on Terror."

The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. 3 4 Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor." 5

911research.wtc7.net...

"The author has interviewed a Navy public affairs officer who was assigned to the Naval Command Center
on 9/11, one of the two major Pentagon west section areas destroyed that morning, the other being the Army Financial
Management/Audit area as mentioned earlier."
www.physics911.net...

This business of the missing 2.3 trillion dollars has been done to death on here. This is some info. about it :-

www.911myths.com...

The figure of 2.3 trillion dollars not being properly accounted for was being bandied about long before Bush and Rumsfeld took office and even longer before your friend Dov Zackheim started his job.

It was because Rumsfeld had no responsibility in the matter that he was happy to make that speech on 9/10 complaining about the sloppy accounting that had given rise to it. If he had any responsibility and was preparing to wipe out the people looking into the matter the next day do you suppose he would have made a speech about it ?

It seems quite clear you have, at least in part, an anti-semitic agenda which I don't understand.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Or maybe you have a better explanation for why the flight data recorder didn't survive in this particular instance.

Actually, both the FDR (flight data recorder) and the CVR (cockpit voice recorder) from AA77 did survive the Pentagon impact and both had their data extracted. The FDR data is available and has been the topic of ongoing arguments since its release but the extract from the CVR was handed over to the FBI and the last advice on it was that there 'was nothing of interest' or words to that effect (I don''t have a link just now). Maybe I'm furthering conspiracy theories but 'nothing useful' is not the same as 'nothing'.