Absolute proof: A Pentagon picture montage from start to finish

reply to post by hmmmbeer


I have not been able to locate the pictures of plane wreckage in the pentagon, only reference to them. If you have seen them then I hope you won't mind posting them. I would like to see :

pictures of the planes 757 undercarraige inside the pentagon
757 wheels found inside the pentagon
757 engine found inside pentagon

The pictures of damage to the outside of the building I have seen. Studied it over the years for hours. based on size of the plane and damage done the evidence does not support a 757 hitting the pentagon building. My background? My father worked all his life with ARINC. He was high enough level I was able to accompany him while he worked. I would like to see these pics.

reply to post by drifter1109


Here's a picture of a wheel that matches the main landing gear of a Boeing 757. It was found in "AE Drive" near the punch out in the Pentagon C-wing, if I recall, may wanna double check the locaton though, u can google better pics of the debris layout.

Originally posted by drifter1109
I have not been able to locate the pictures of plane wreckage in the pentagon, only reference to them.

you never even looked, did you?

A simple google search for "plane wreckage in the pentagon" brings up as the first result a thread right here at ATS, with pictures

Originally posted by drifter1109
reply to post by hmmmbeer

 

I have not been able to locate the pictures of plane wreckage in the pentagon, only reference to them.

File some FOIA requests! If any pictures exist of a fuselage they've never been released. All the picture I've seen of wreckage tend to be of single, easily plantable pieces, sometimes rusty pieces, unburnt stuff, it's a mix. No fuselage pics though ever.

Here's a few I have - I would like to state, as a caveat, that just because a piece of an airplane is in a certain place, it does NOT prove an airplane hit there.

strut to the front landing gear, no wheel was ever found. A little fishy because the part seems to be rusty.


a few pieces of unburnt fuselage. Normally people would mark and take pictures of evidence but in this case they decided to carry them around. Convenient the fuselage pieces that were found all had distinguishing American Airlines colors on them, and no serial numbers...


A look inside. No airplane parts. A little funny so much of that stuff didn't burn, even though some people say the fire was hot enough to melt the aluminum aircraft.


Another piece of unburnt AA fuselage with the AA paint on it.


Here's a part from inside of a Rolls Royce RB engine. It's amazing that ALL the hundreds of parts normally connected to this piece magically just fell off allowing the piece to be easily recognizable. Also a little odd it's rusted.




Just as a small comparison, here's a picture of TWA flight 800, that blew up and fell into the ocean. They managed to find most of the wreckage.


Glad to see you in the 9/1 forums, hope you find what you're looking for.

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
strut to the front landing gear, no wheel was ever found.

Typical truther lie, look at threads posted here, pictures of wheels found in the pentagon have been posted many times.

Here's a part from inside of a Rolls Royce RB engine. It's amazing that ALL the hundreds of parts normally connected to this piece magically just fell off allowing the piece to be easily recognizable.

You show your ignorance again, one picture is of a compressor, the other of a exhaust turbine.... loot at the bottom under the man, that is the exhaust turbine.

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
strut to the front landing gear, no wheel was ever found.

Typical truther lie, look at threads posted here, pictures of wheels found in the pentagon have been posted many times.

Here's a part from inside of a Rolls Royce RB engine. It's amazing that ALL the hundreds of parts normally connected to this piece magically just fell off allowing the piece to be easily recognizable.

You show your ignorance again, one picture is of a compressor, the other of a exhaust turbine.... loot at the bottom under the man, that is the exhaust turbine.

A REAR wheel was found, which I posted at the top of this page. That is the only wheel found.

those are compressor stages (part of the compression in the engine), the exhaust turbine is part of the engine

This shows the compressor stages and turbine INSIDE THE ENGINE...




"typical truther lie"... idiot.

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
reply to post by Varemia

 

If I was to construct a fake plane crash, I would crash a real plane into a building so that no one would question that it was a plane.
Honestly, if I was constructing a false flag such as this, I would use hypnotized agents (or an autopilot system) to replace the already planned hijackers so that they would fly everything where I wanted when I wanted. But that's just plain imagination now.

Really though, wouldn't it be easier and raise less eyebrows and questions to just fly a plane into the building? Maybe for added effect, put a small incendiary inside the plane and blame it on the fuel, but it would just be stupid and wasteful to fake the explosion, plane parts, witnesses, and damage of the plane on the way to the pentagon. Would be WAY easier to use a real plane.

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
If this were a planned operation they would need to be absolutely sure their objectives were accomplished. Inside the Pentagon was a group researching a missing $2.3 trillion. Donald Rumsfeld made the statement about the missing money the day before 9/11. The guy in charge of accounting for the money was Dov Zakheim, who happened to previously work for a defense contractor that specialized in remote control aircraft systems... the accounting group looking for this missing trillions happened to get blown up in the explosion after moving to that location just a few weeks before 9/11... Zakheim survived though - convenient day off maybe?

This is pure rotten junk. You are misrepresenting FACTS apparently hoping no one will notice. There was no missing $$ at all. It was a complex accounting issue. Trying to imply that records of the problem were or would be destroyed in the Pentagon is a FALSEHOOD of epic proportion. The records were located throughout the DOD, not in one specific location. That was the crux of the problem in the first place. You are posting pure hogwash.

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
I don't question this whole thing simply because the size of the hole...

An outright, blatant LIE. Look at the freaking title of the thread and the first post. That's EXACTLY what you are doing. You have argued incessantly about the size of the hole.

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
the Flight Data Recorder shows the flight never stopped at the Departure Gate (D 26 at IAD).

No, it doesn't. Why do you keep repeating a LIE?

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
The NIST report shows the area where the plane hit, but if you look at that location in real life the windows aren't even broken... there are just A LOT of things wrong with the big picture, and a lot of people stood to make trillions of dollars, start the Dep't of Homeland Security, bring us to war, etc.

THERE IS NO NIST REPORT ON THE PENTAGON. You have been called on this several times, yet you keep repeating it.

Companies make billions of dollars all of the time....Why do you repeat this as if it's evidence or, in fact, has anything at all to do with 9/11. You need to post evidence, not conjecture.... What's new?

Originally posted by Thermo Klein

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
strut to the front landing gear, no wheel was ever found.

Typical truther lie, look at threads posted here, pictures of wheels found in the pentagon have been posted many times.

Here's a part from inside of a Rolls Royce RB engine. It's amazing that ALL the hundreds of parts normally connected to this piece magically just fell off allowing the piece to be easily recognizable.

You show your ignorance again, one picture is of a compressor, the other of a exhaust turbine.... loot at the bottom under the man, that is the exhaust turbine.

A REAR wheel was found, which I posted at the top of this page. That is the only wheel found.

How do you know what was and what was not found? Perhaps it correct to say that you've seen no photograph of additional wheels. To state anything further is simply promoting a falsehood because YOU DON'T KNOW.

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reply to post by Thermo Klein


Some parts that burned and were subjected to a vast amounts of water you label as fishy? How do you identify rust from a photo anyway? Do you understand anything about environmental action at all? It appears not.

Then, you find a photo of an unburned part out in the lawn and label that as fishy? I guess it doesn't matter whether it's burned or not and it doesn't matter where it's located, both are fishy in the eyes of a conspirists.

In yet another photo you again indicate that you can identify rust from a photo. Man, the folks who were there all around those parts (Hundreds of them) were all fooled by this, but an ignorant Internet sleuth can spot them from great distances in photos taken from a telephoto lens.

No parts = suspicious
Parts = suspicious



ETA: By the way, sheet metal or composite material does not have serial numbers. Get a clue or two before you try to prove something - will ya?

reply to post by Thermo Klein


This is the scene at the Pentagon soon after the impact :-

ramadan-karim.com...

I would be grateful if you, or any other truther, can explain to me how thousands of aircraft parts were actually placed in that environment : and not just placed but in many cases inserted with great force into concrete structures ? thanks.

reply to post by Alfie1


I see no aircraft parts, and I have yet to see any image of a 757 aircraft part embedded in concrete; isn't the OS saying that the jet kicked the concrete's a@@ anyway? Doesn't this contradict the super jet theory?

How can a jet crash occur and there not be 100000 pounds of serial numbered parts to forensically match the crash with flight 77?

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reply to post by Thermo Klein


Notice the fuselage pieces. Has anyone ever checked to see how many of the surviving pieces had the American Airlines letters on them? I'd be curious to see how many parts were found without that lettering...I'm betting very few. What percentage of a jet has the lettering on it? What percentage of the fuselage parts had lettering on them?

If they were trying to prove this was a jet crash they'd use serial numbers to ID it, but if they were simply trying to convince the public it was a jet, all they'd need are fuselage parts with lettering on them. Are there any big fuselage parts without the American stencil?

reply to post by Thermo Klein



Oh, MAN!!! LOL.... "rust"??? :shk: Oh, gawd!!!

No, man....newsflash. TITANIUM does not rust!!! Discoloration due to heat exposure though?? You CANNOT "analyze" merely by looking at photos!! You have to actually have the real part to determine what you "see".

Also, that one image of an engine rotor found in the debris, compared to pristine examples?? Don't know where you snagged it from, but whomever added that stupid text, at the bottom?? Is an idiot! (OR, as with most in the so-called "truth movement", wishes to spew lies in order t deceive....?). Yet another boob who knows NOTHING about airplanes, aeronautics and aviation! (Or, does....as mentioned ....)

The turbine blades are usually SEPARATE pieces.....depends on what stage of the engine, some are cast as whole, some aren't. They are manufactured separately, and installed into the rotor hubs individually. They are FRAGILE!!!

(Why in hades do you not realize this is why the flight in the Hudson lost power, from the birds [Geese**] strikes.....the bodies and guts of the birds going through the engines, was too much for them to take....when running at high speed, they are under INCREDIBLE amounts of stress. Once those turbine blades go, they are flying shrapnel....at extreme velocities!!).
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Here.....listen to this. A guy exiting an Airbus (a jet turbine engine is a jet turbine engine!) via airstairs....you can hear the left engine making the typical sounds they make, even when shutdown, as they windmill in the breeze. That "tinkling" sound is from the individual turbine blades....they are designed to move slightly, when mounted on the rotors....they alter their angle of attack, according to the airflow....PER design:



Here is a video that captured a REAL bird strike....and an extremely good example of a great job by a professional crew, just the way it should go. Only one engine was lost, unlike the USAir Hudson case. Yes, engines can normally accommodate a LOT of ingested FOD, but they still have limits:




Most modern engines also are designed to contain, if possible, the debris...the small parts, under rotational stress, tend to fly out LATERALLY. They can enter the cabin, hurt people, cause additional collateral damage as well. (See United Airlines flight 232, in Sioux City, Iowa in 1989. THAT was a wake-up call).

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by Alfie1

 

I see no aircraft parts, and I have yet to see any image of a 757 aircraft part embedded in concrete; isn't the OS saying that the jet kicked the concrete's a@@ anyway? Doesn't this contradict the super jet theory?

How can a jet crash occur and there not be 100000 pounds of serial numbered parts to forensically match the crash with flight 77?

Of course you can't see aircraft parts in a blazing inferno but there are plenty of photos of aircraft wreckage taken inside the Pentagon after the fires were extinguished ; like these -

www.rense.com...

My question to TK and any other truther who thinks thousands of plane parts were planted is how was it done in a furnace ?

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by Thermo Klein

 

This is the scene at the Pentagon soon after the impact :-

ramadan-karim.com...

I would be grateful if you, or any other truther, can explain to me how thousands of aircraft parts were actually placed in that environment : and not just placed but in many cases inserted with great force into concrete structures ? thanks.

What airplane parts?? After a major explosion there will be debris, what's your proof that any of the debris on the lawn (other than the one or two very obvious pieces) belong to an airplane?? It was an explosion and there's junk on the lawn... normal.

Originally posted by Thermo Klein

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by Thermo Klein

 

This is the scene at the Pentagon soon after the impact :-

ramadan-karim.com...

I would be grateful if you, or any other truther, can explain to me how thousands of aircraft parts were actually placed in that environment : and not just placed but in many cases inserted with great force into concrete structures ? thanks.

What airplane parts?? After a major explosion there will be debris, what's your proof that any of the debris on the lawn (other than the one or two very obvious pieces) belong to an airplane?? It was an explosion and there's junk on the lawn... normal.

Talk about dodging the question; I didn't say anything about the lawn. The question is how was all this aircraft wreckage :-

www.rense.com...

planted INSIDE the Pentagon when it was a blazing inferno ?

Originally posted by Thermo Klein

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by Thermo Klein

 

This is the scene at the Pentagon soon after the impact :-

ramadan-karim.com...

I would be grateful if you, or any other truther, can explain to me how thousands of aircraft parts were actually placed in that environment : and not just placed but in many cases inserted with great force into concrete structures ? thanks.

What airplane parts?? After a major explosion there will be debris, what's your proof that any of the debris on the lawn (other than the one or two very obvious pieces) belong to an airplane?? It was an explosion and there's junk on the lawn... normal.

Bwahhahahaha, Someone who can't recognize an aircraft part when he sees one says there aren't any. Priceless!