Amazing collection of NASA UFO footage from missions

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G'day CaptSplatter

I have huge respect for Aldrin.

I assure you that when I used the word "mischevious" regarding Aldrin, it was meant with both respect & affection.

MS Dictionary:

Mischievous
Playfully naughty or troublesome:
Behaving or likely to behave in a naughty or troublesome way, but in fun and not meaning serious harm

Regarding his sighting.....

It is quite well accepted that he was describing 1 of the 4 panels I mentioned.

I located a picture for you:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/065101a21f37.jpg[/atsimg]

It is also quite well accepted that likes to stir things up & be a little provocative with his descriptions of "UFO" type things.

I also reference his statements about the "monolith", which were intentionally obfuscatious in order to provoke a "sense of wonder" during that interview.

Have a really good look into what Aldrin is saying in these instances.....

He's an extremely smart guy & he knows exactly what he's doing

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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Nice!

Great Video!

The clip at around 3:00 of the Russian “MIR” Spacestation, is brilliant! So much activity!

It seems at about 3:09 - 3:11 something passes the camera, either its really close or really big!

Just about to watch part 2.

MrWebby666

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by CaptSplatter

 

It is also quite well accepted that likes to stir things up & be a little provocative with his descriptions of "UFO" type things.

I also reference his statements about the "monolith", which were intentionally obfuscatious in order to provoke a "sense of wonder" during that interview.

Have a really good look into what Aldrin is saying in these instances.....

He's an extremely smart guy & he knows exactly what he's doing

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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I believe this is one of those "6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other" type of situations. No one will even know if Buzz speaking in a confound manner was meant to make a mockery of UFO existence or his small attempt at disclosure. Once again this is all opinion not fact. I hope for the sake of mankind it is small disclosure then the other......

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Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by CaptSplatter
Say what you want about the pictures, you cant deny interviews with actual astronauts......

G'day CaptSplatter

Could you post links to credible sources wherein astronauts have made definitive statements to the effect they have seen alien spacecraft?

That would be very useful, if you could.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Hi try this one



and Edit to add this one and are these credible enough for you



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Those are also great posts Ocker!! Even though I have seen them and they are great examples of more credible sources, I figured it wasn't gonna sway some people one way or the other. Some people are out there to just discredit no matter how solid the evidence.

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G'day CaptSplatter

On the one hand I don't agree that Aldrin's comments are in any way "disclosure".

On the other hand, he's getting people like you & me to think about & discuss this, which is no bad thing

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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G'day ocker

Thanks for posting those videos.

As I said previously.....

I don't believe Aldrin is describing 1st person sightings of extraterrestrial craft.

Cooper's commentary has always been a lot more interesting.

It's not definitive, but it's very interesting

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by ocker

 

G'day ocker

Thanks for posting those videos.

As I said previously.....

I don't believe Aldrin is describing 1st person sightings of extraterrestrial craft.

Cooper's commentary has always been a lot more interesting.

It's not definitive, but it's very interesting

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

G day to you Maybe...maybe not

I found Cooper's story to be quite credible, there seems to be more influential people coming forward lately

Have a fantastic weekend

Ocker

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
Cooper's commentary has always been a lot more interesting.
It's not definitive, but it's very interesting

I agree his comments are interesting. Bigger question is this: What should a person who wonders what the other side of the argument is, about Cooper, what should they do to find a skeptical argument against believing statements made by Cooper? How can existing internet search engines provide contrary opinions to the simple 'believe-all-he-says-cause-he's-a -hero' mantra (you know, the NASA propaganda line on Cooper and on astronauts in general)?

Originally posted by ocker
I found Cooper's story to be quite credible, ....

Fair enough. How did you go about reaching this 'finding'?

What contrary views did you consider?


Cooper wrote in his autobio that he saved the space shuttle program from a fatal design flaw by relaying a telepathic warning from space aliens.

Do you find that credible? Where do you draw the line?

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G'day Jim

Cooper's statements did get a bit "out there".

Here is an extract from his book pertaining to the "alien telepathy":

Leap of Faith: Chapter 15 page 227

"It was December 1978. Valerie Ransone and I had been working for a solid year and with great effort to get the Advanced Technology Group up and running ... We had a handpicked team of top-caliber researchers and inventors who had agreed to come on board ... The warning came to her during one of her 'transmissions.' She had no idea when they would arrive -- the telepathic messages she believed were from an extraterrestrial source of intelligence ... four months after mentioning the vague possibility of a problem with the space shuttle, Valerie was in Los Angeles and came by my office. She was worried about new and more detailed information she had received ... In terms worthy of any graduate engineering class, "serious technical faults;' were outlined in detail, specifying what could happen (to the space shuttle) during reentry to the system that provided cooling to the cabin and sensitive electronics...Placing the space shuttle transmission into my well-worn briefcase, I flew to Houston to see Bennett "Ben" James, an experienced engineer and supervisor in NASA's Flight Operations whom I knew from Mercury and trusted like a wing-man ...

I now told him that it was possible that my business partner was in contact with "higher powers somewhere that might have better information than we do ... NASA engineers immediately went to work examining the space shuttle's cooling system, looking at the detailed scenario I laid out for them. they quickly identified and, within days, fixed the potential problem with the cooling system -- just as outlined in the transmission I carried in my briefcase ... Valerie Ransone was not an engineer, had never worked for NASA, and wasn't involved in aviation. If this vital and very detailed information hadn't come from a source of higher intelligence that for some reason was monitoring the U.S. space program, then where did it come from?"

How does one rationalise that against the "homesy folksey" Cooper persona?

It certainly makes one think twice about Cooper's other UFO & alien statements.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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G'day again ocker

Have a look at the extract from Cooper's book that I just posted (above).

If he's claiming he "saved the space shuttle" via alien telepathy, then I just have to wonder about his other UFO / alien commentary.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

After Cooper quit NASA in a huff when he was refused the Apollo moon landing mission he (alone of the astronauts) thought he deserved, he spent 20 years pimping various aerospace industry financing proposals to private groups, military and space workers, and depressed townships and counties. Based on trust of his endorsements, investors sunk millions of dollars into a sequence of schemes that all went bust, many resulting in indictments of the principals (but not Cooper -- he was merely the shill, and lost all his own money too). This is a powerful set of data points on the rigor of his judgment regarding aerospace technology, and the ease with which he accepted and promoted fanciful ideas.

Where would you look on the internet to locate details of this aspect of Cooper's credibility?

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G'day Jim

I guess one could look into the various names that arise in Cooper's NASA bio & start to investigate direct & tangential relationships.

www.jsc.nasa.gov...

BUSINESS EXPERIENCE:

From 1962 to 1967, he was President of Performance Unlimited, Inc., a manufacturer and distributor of race and Marine engines, and fiberglass boats.
From 1963 to 1967, he was President of GCR, Inc. They designed, tested and raced championship cars at Indianapolis and other USAC tracks, conducted tire tests for Firestone Tire and Rubber Company and pioneered turbine engine installation on cars.
From 1965 to 1970, he was President of Teletest, Inc. They designed, installed and tested various systems using advanced Telemetry.
From 1966 to 1969, he participated with Doubloon, Inc., on design, construction, and utilization of Treasure Hunting equipment.
From 1968 to 1969, he participated with Cosmos, Inc., on Archeology exploration projects.
From 1968 to 1970, he was part owner and race project manager of the Profile Race Team. He also designed, raced and constructed high performance boats.
From 1968 to 1970, he was a Technical Consultant for corporate acquisitions and public relations for the Republic Corp.
From 1967 to 1969, he was Technical Consultant for design and construction of various automotive production items for General Motors, Ford and Chrysler Motor Companies.
From 1970 to 1972 he was Member of the Board of Directors and Technical Consultant for developing technical products and public relations in land development projects for Canaveral International, Inc.
From 1970 to 1975, he was President of the consulting firm Gordon Cooper & Associates, Inc. They specialized in technical projects ranging from airline and aerospace fields to land and hotel development.
From 1970 to 1974, he was on the Board of Directors for APECO which produced and marketed modular homes, computer systems, office systems, copy machines and boats and marine equipment.
From July 1972 to June 1973, he was a Member of Board of Directors and Technical Consultant for Campco, a corporation which built campers and mobile homes.
From August 1972 to December 1973, He was on the Board of Directors and a Technical Consultant for design and production of various advanced electronic systems for LowCom Systems, Inc.
From 1972 to 1973, he was on the Board of Directors and a Technical Consultant for design and construction of lifting, inflatable, steerable foils which could land cargo and/or personnel at a precise spot for Aerofoil Systems, Inc.
From July 1973 to January 1974, he was Vice President and member of the Board of Directors for Craftech Corporation. They specialized in the design and construction of economical homes, garages, storage buildings, and hangers of Craftboard and fiberglass.
From January 1973 to 1975, he was Chairman of the Board for Constant Energy Systems, Inc.
From January 1973 to 1975, he was Vice President for Research and Development/EPCOT for Walter E. Disney Enterprises, Inc., the research and development subsidiary of Walt Disney Productions.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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Hi mate
I found the guy's credibility on the basis, NASA would of weeded out the wackos there before they get as far he did in his training.

He flew the longest spaceflight of the Mercury project.
And was the first American to sleep in orbit,

Also he was the last American to launch alone into Earth orbit and conduct an entire solo orbital mission.

It is easy for people to dismiss his claims due to the fact that it is hard to prove such claims in the first place.

Telepathy is possible. Aliens communicating with him? we will never know.
A telepathic experiment was conducted during the Apollo 14 mission in 1971 proved distance is not a barrier.. Just ask Edgar D. Mitchell
he conducted the experiment with 4 people here on earth.

Thanks

Ocker

During the last and final space shuttle launch I saw two weird objects, one in the front and one in the back of the fuel tank when it was faling towards earth.. They were like 3 pointed stars and had some kind of spin to them...
Did anybody see them too?

I've seen this compilation a while back good stuff! plenty of strange things up there!!!

Star N Flag

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by JimOberg

 

G'day Jim

I guess one could look into the various names that arise in Cooper's NASA bio & start to investigate direct & tangential relationships.

Don't you find it curious that the list ends in 1975??

Originally posted by ocker
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

Hi mate
I found the guy's credibility on the basis, NASA would of weeded out the wackos there before they get as far he did in his training.

Reasonable. And what would that criteria imply in light of NASA's decision NOT to let him fly again in space after 1965?

Telepathy is possible. Aliens communicating with him? we will never know.

Well, the claim is made without the obvious supportive evidence that a reasonably skeptical person would require. Cooper claims there was a drawing made -- but doesn't provide it. Cooper claims that there was a fix made -- but provides no evidence that NASA did anything. It's easy to make claims. Leaving out evidence that SHOULD have been easy to include, is also evidence regarding how much the claims can be believed.

A telepathic experiment was conducted during the Apollo 14 mission in 1971 proved distance is not a barrier..

Just ask Edgar D. Mitchell
he conducted the experiment with 4 people here on earth.

Indeed he did, on his personal time during the flight. And you quote his conclusions accurately. Have you read his report? Do you know anybody else who read his report and offered a critique of it? Do you jump to uncritical acceptance of the claims of all authors of all such reports? Are you so open minded your brains have fallen out?

But seriously. What would be a reasonable set of checks that a person would go through in evaluation of any such report? Automatic belief -- or automatic disbelief -- don't count, in my book.

There is no doubt that there examples to prove or disprove both arguments but I think maybe...maybe not said it best, at least were talking about it.

I for one believe anyone who travels to space will see things beyond the imagination. I mean we haven't even begun to explore the depths of the ocean here or earth not to mention space. To believe we are alone in any way is arrogant.

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Jim my brains are intact and yes i have read the report.I cannot remember ever attacking you in a post,what is your problem...

Sorry that you don't share the same point of view.and what qualifications do you have to be so cock sure of your words and ridicule anyone who objects to your beliefs.

I cannot remember talking to you in the first place .



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Peace

Ocker

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