ALERT! - World governments admit to having capability of making tsunamis and earthquakes!!!

reply to post by Ophiuchus13



Look, we can argue all day about what "military project" means.

As you have read in my previous posts, I do not deny that HAARP has implications in military areas such as SIGINT etc.
What I deny is that the program is run by the military, or mostly financied by it, or that the project is military in nature. That's just bollocks.

It's a high-end facility for atmospheric research. Research done by scientists and universities, not soldiers and Generals. Of course, the military is interested in applications/implications this new research can bring to the military field, and that is why they are involved somewhat.

Hope I cleared that up.

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


If that makes me a fool, for believing these weapons exist, then so be it.

I also take education degrees as being the highest level of brainwashing a human can aspire to. These impressive, lofty achievements seem to create narrow mindedness for most who receive them. At least the ones who post in sites like this.

You are correct in saying that most people do not read the posts. It seems people are only trying to make their point, justifying their point of view and refusing to see it any other way than how they understand the issue.

There is always your point of view, my point of view and actual reality. Neither of our positions may be correct as we have no way of verification. I can accept that, therefore, there is no point trying to change each others beliefs until all is laid bare.

The facts are that these machines were conceptualized in the 1890's. Taking advances in all manufacture into account, there is little doubt that these machines exist today and are capable doing what is discussed in the treaty. Saying they do not exist is equivalent of sticking one's head in the sand.

Now (...btw... welcome to this forum.....), the only way you can be sure they do not exist is to do to the entire world what the USA did in Iraq searching for nuclear sites. Search all of the world powers who would be capable of creating a machine like this. Even then, this is no guarantee that you would find one, even if there was one created.

Saying this machine does not exist, with the access most people have to sensitive information, is merely a point of view which could be right, wrong or someplace in the middle..

reply to post by win 52


You make valid points - but my experience has been the exact opposite. To me, the unsourced BS all over here is narrowminded. Never have I been exposed to a greater range of diverging ideas, new paradigms, and debunking of fairly established science than in my university years. Not every University is like the other. Mine taught me to be as open as possible while applying my own standards of conviction that are derived from the collective experience of the past couple of thousand years. This experience is accesible through the sources only, and that is what history deals with mostly: sources.

I have learned to take a convincing argument based on sources way more serious than what some random guy claims unsourced on the net.

All my investigations about Tesla's earthquake machines have only led me to the people who claim they have existed, never to the machines themselves.
When I researched Mk-Ultra or Nazi Occultism I was led to evidence of Mkultra and Nazi Occultism, not just to claims about it. That's a big difference in my book.

But I think you are intelligent enough to be familiar with all these arguments, and they have not convinced you. I have no reason to object to that, as different people have different standards of proof.
I can take your statements for what they're worth and I do but if you do not give me anything tangible or researchable then there is no way to sway me either.

We're going rather off-topic now... I shall keep an idea on this thread and post my opinions again when someone presents further "evidence" ..

good day to you!

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin

As a Historian, I would expect nothing less.

Scientists are not finding the same stable basis to work from. In modern science, people who are not open to new ways of understanding this discipline become stagnant in their beliefs, or narrow minded.

It seems the more they learn and understand, the more questions they have or the new understanding creates.

This is a forum of open minded people with a few stuffed shirts mixed in. Most people are not willing to accept what they are told. They have lost confidence in old thinking promoting stagnant understanding. In here you can find the cutting edge, if you are open to the possibilities.

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


My point is that they can say that they haven't done something, yet, in the presence of power, they will do something.
They say that they haven't pumped more than 5kw through that thing, though, if they did.....





I've seen a video, where some noted official of the creators of HAARP itself detailed it's possible application. A few of which were, creating hurricanes, creating earthquakes, and raising the troposphere or something crazy like that.

www.youtube.com...

This isn't the video, but....I don't even care. You can be as ignorant and as demanding as you want. We, yes the collective whole, only ask that you see what your world does to itself.

reply to post by Ghost Hill


It's a pitty the collective hole didn't inform you that this video has been discussed ad nauseum on ATS.

Feel free to present NEW evidence from the collective hole anytime you want. The individual non-holes will be happy to comment.

Thanks for enlightening us, though. You almost filled my collective hole, for sure.

[edit on 10-2-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


Feel free to be ignorant.
Feel free to pervert my whole.
Feel free to demand as your politicians do.

reply to post by Ghost Hill


Yes Ghost - do not take it personal.

Be aware that there is a group of people who have no soul. They can be seen by the psychopathic behaviour which includes their posts on boards like this. In real life you might not be able to see it in their behaviour. The anonymity these sites provide allows them to show glimpses of this psychopathic tendency while keeping their disguise in tact.

Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Please don't misrepresent what they wrote there. They do not say these weapons exist; what they say is that these are the kind of weapons that WOULD be banned under the treaty if ever developed.

This part seems to have escaped you:

"

ollowing examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention:

"

COULD !

and

"

when produced by military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, would result, or could reasonably be expected to result

"

WHEN.... WOULD... COULD.....

deny ignorance.

Before you go off on someone about the words used in a document you should try to understand the language. I know, it's not cool to be attacked is it? Well, you are attacking the OP on the wording but the word 'could' does not necessarily imply that the technology DID NOT exist then.

You see, COULD could mean a couple different things there. It COULD mean that they have the technology and it COULD be used as such but is forbidden. You see the difference between what I just wrote and what you are going on about?

Just wanted to point it out. You have a ton of stars so I'm assuming a lot of people just didn't look at that word as it COULD be used.

reply to post by dariousg



Document says:
following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention:

thread title says:

ALERT! - World governments admit to having capability of making tsunamis and earthquakes!!

Deny ignorance.

And stuff your holes. ( The one's in your epistemology, the one's in your theories.)

No one has of yet produced

a) evidence that HAARP/EISCAT etc. is a Weapon

b) that there are documents, or statements by govs. that say so.


Debating about what the word "could" could mean is like asking for the definition of "is". It's a vile trick by people who have been called our for their lies.
Your pointing out that could can have different meanings only reinforces my interpretation: the document is anything else than an admission. If there is more than 1 way to understand could, how can you insist that this document is proof?

Feel free to post evidence of earthquake weapons. Short of that, I'm not interested.


don't mind the hole comments, im mixing things up.

[edit on 12-2-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]

Hey mr Kenshin. The documents topic was on examples of what type of results would, could come from technology based on causing said reaction, results, and effects. Weather and tectonic modification, stimulation, etc...
Weather modification was used during vietnam war to cause it to rainso much it made the "charlie" or vietnamese defenders abandon or drown in their many hideouts holes, caves, tunnels and ambush points.

So just in case your post was intent on debunking this thread, think up another and try again. If you were just pointing out an error in the author of this i commend you because the article did not claim to have to technology, but uses wording the strongly suggest the writer and editor knows of the exsistence of such technology


[edit on 1-3-2010 by KilluminatisRex]

reply to post by dariousg


You don't seem to understand the difference between the words "could" and "can". The fact they used the former instead of the latter shows, fantastically clearly, that such weapons do NOT exist, or at least this document doesn't claim they do.

But, as this is ATS, and people on here love to think HAARP can fry their dog, please continue being scared of your own shadow.

Don't you realise, just for a second, that TPTB might want you to think HAARP is a weapon, so you conspiracy guys can concentrate all your energy on that, while they roll out their actual weapon elsewhere? If TPTB are as powerful as is claimed, then surely they've thought of that.