Water Freezes When Heated (newly discovered phenomenon)

Water holds the secret to life and death.

It is actually the answer to an ancient riddle too..

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has anyone given any thought that if there are aliens they already know this sort of thing hence why they are able to get so much mpg out of there saucers but seriously! i'm sure this technology could be used for space travel didnt tesla already know this type of stuff the effects on elements when given different electric charges and pulses?

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I am sure it is a chemical electro-magnetic property. Water is a very polar molecule, so it makes sense that aligning its structure magnetically could help it form a crystalline lattice...i.e. "freeze." And, it makes sense that charging its environment to repel water molecules from one another would make it much more difficult to freeze.

Yes but water has a net charge of zero. Due to oxygen having a higher Electronegativity, and the geometrical shape of H2O, water is an electric dipole.

However, this is where I am stumped, after hours of researching into all of this. If what you say is indeed true, then does that mean water actually has a slight negative net charge?

Or, could it be that the larger surface area of the more electronegative oxygen atom is somehow affecting the probability that the Electric field lines will "repel water molecules from one another", thus making it harder to freeze?

www.sciencemag.org...


This question is for anybody.


EDIT to Elaborate:

With no charge on the surface, the water froze at -12.5º C, on average. But on the positively charged surface, water froze at a relatively balmy -7º. And on a negatively charged surface, ice formed, on average, at a chilly -18º.

www.sciencenews.org...


My point is, why is there any difference at all, if water has a net charge of zero? This is going to drive me nuts.

It seems geometry may play more of a role. Anyway.

ttyl







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The first thing that came to mind when I saw this, was an idea I had years ago to build a 'Reverse-Microwave'...something that cools things faster than a normal freezer does. Since we're all in such a want-it-yesterday society, seems to only make sense. Maybe even incorporate something along those lines into a microwave, so it can be a combo heating-freezing appliance.

Wow incredible.
Anyone else see the military implications this new find has since the human body has around 58%-70% water.
Don't like someone you just instant freeze him .

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this reminds me of the double slit theory www.youtube.com... the video and the read en.wikipedia.org...

a total reverse of the impossible a flip it and reverse it kinda thing
one of the few of the unexplained phenomenon

first time i heard of this of -40 below in liquid form ! ? charge

thanks for posting !

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Could be used in the electronics industry as a method for producing 'room temp' superconductors.

Take 'any old' regular conductor material, change it's charge and it'll change to a superconductor at higher ambient temps, because it'll freeze at higher temps.

Heat differential pumps? Could this be a serious area for cheap and clean energy production? A small current applied to change the charge, the difference in temps could be used to drive a heat difference engine. By changing the charge, and therefore changing the temps of the hot and cold 'sides', we could encourage pressure changes in order to drive an engine.

Interesting times.

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Hydrogen x2 Oxygen separate these 2 elements apart then ignite and boom explosion sadly you need energy like the explosion to separate them RAPIDLY ! Slowly takes a long process www.periodictable.com... interesting from the mad scientist theo gray

Water Fire the Adversary elements separate them we have a long source of energy. learning to harness it and safer ways

Originally posted by xSeraphim
Wow incredible.
Anyone else see the military implications this new find has since the human body has around 58%-70% water.
Don't like someone you just instant freeze him

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Yeah! And it's people like you, with such brilliant ideas... showing why we can't have neat things.


Strype

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S+F , thank you for this post.

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Maybe you are right : this could be use in cryogenic science, also.

Before the low temp destroy the bodies tissu, but now ...

Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities

My point is, why is there any difference at all, if water has a net charge of zero? This is going to drive me nuts.

It seems geometry may play more of a role. Anyway.

ttyl

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But the water molecule is at an angle so that the charge although zero is not evenly distributed. So the possibility exists to align the molecules with an electric field which would then affect how it crystalises ie freezes.

I love how the climate deniers are getting their sixpenneth in ! Talk about desperate......

THE HEAD UN CLIMATE GUY,SAYS "SKEPTICS OF GLOBAL WARMING THINK TALCUM POWDER, IS THE SAME AS ASBESTOS, AND SHOULD RUB IT ON THEIR FACES"... TRUSTWORTHINESS, AINT HIS STRONG SUIT!

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and,...'climate believers', are the ones who are desperate!!..not critics,..we are not the ones being caught in another lie every day,...get it straight....











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My microwave oven told me this years ago, nothing new to see here.. old..

Just thought I'd beat them at it, you know..

otherwise..

WHF!!! Oo

S&F Very cool,
We need to get a large plate of this pyroelectric amorphus material to africa so they can make a hockey team and practice for the olympics!
or put an icerink in death valley for fun in the sun

17.6 degrees F is considered "Heated" now?

Or did I miss something? Seems to me the only feat was keeping supercooled water in a liquid state.. 17 degrees being under freezing.. naturally froze the water?

Originally posted by Rockpuck
17.6 degrees F is considered "Heated" now?

Or did I miss something? Seems to me the only feat was keeping supercooled water in a liquid state.. 17 degrees being under freezing.. naturally froze the water?

I suppose that they they kept the fluid liquid at -40 F, so when it froze at 17 F that was 57 degrees warmer, no?

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I suppose.... but it's still under 32F isn't it? I thought they were meaning 32+ it froze.. which would certainly be a feat, because I can see how an electrical charge can keep molecules moving (so they can't freeze) .. and when the charge is removed or reversed, water freezes. But their claim of heated frozen water makes no sense if "heated" is far below freezing lol...