Martial Law

Originally posted by Byrd
Okay, how about a note of reality, here: Martial law has been declared MANY times in the past -- and it has never lead to any of the scenarios you guys keep mentioning. FEMA has had control of areas (NYC on 9/11) and in spite of what hysterics claimed, the government didn't put the whole nation under martial law and didn't suddenly start rounding up citizens and occupying towns.

Martial law is simply a mechanism that says troops can be sent in if an area is having problems. Such problems could be related to weather, riots, or accidents or terroist incidents.

It isn't maintained because it's not possible to maintain it for long periods of time.

That is true Byrd ....But what if sometihing comes along that makes 9/11 look like a date with little mary sunshine..? Say multiple explosions in multiple cities (nuclear suitcases)....then you will see marshall law applied as it never has been in the past....especially if you start talking deaths in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.....

[Edited on 28-5-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies

and people think the patriot act is a good thing.....they dont even know the first thing about it.....

Just to expand slightly on your quote, which is very true. The ones that are involved in passing it look at themselves as above this law....so what if they find the error of their ways and stand on the platform against this after martial law in the extreem has happened.. will they still be above the law or rounded up like the citizens they just earlier gave no regards to?..

Firepoker

Originally posted by Firepoker

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies

and people think the patriot act is a good thing.....they dont even know the first thing about it.....

Just to expand slightly on your quote, which is very true. The ones that are involved in passing it look at themselves as above this law....so what if they find the error of their ways and stand on the platform against this after martial law in the extreem has happened.. will they still be above the law or rounded up like the citizens they just earlier gave no regards to?..

Firepoker

The resurrected Gestapo is surely not going to show up at the doors of those within the thing that the feel they are protecting.....

Has anyone noticed the recent media blitz to promote the Patriot Act . People are calling those against the Act un patriotic and cowards. Those are some of the words being used in some of the Wisconsin Congress races and people just have no clue what they have signed up for. Everyone knows that or government is so corrupt but they do not think anyone would dare use this against honest Americans!! Would they?

Hey guys, this thread is in thePredictions forum, so why not pin a date on this donkey?

Think along the lines of NEWS: Place your TerrorBets People!

Set the conditions as being Martial Law concurrently active in 12 states,
� not necessarily state-wide, but at least officially existent in 12 states..

Maybe I'll have the first go at it:
� 2004 Sept 21 the NeoCons federales go for broke,
� hype-ing some sort of impending Al-Quaeda attack.

My pick for that Martial Moment is in the ISO date-time format

�
2004.09.29+06:01:01

� being UTC time 06:01 on 2004 September 29

This would mark the moment that nation-wide panic hits a dark peak.
The days between Sept 21 and the moment of Martial Law will be filled
� with news stories about federal raids rounding up terrorists.
The thing the news stories won't tell us right away is that
� the feds aren't chasing AlQuaeda Terrorists - they are instead
� busily engaged in fire-fights with Libertarians,
� secessionist Republicans who aren't Neo-Cons,
� and a host of other folk who don't need discussing here.

Any better dates to be had out there?

[Edited on 2004-5-28 by Teknik]

Watcheroftheskies - you got it down man!

See the attached link below to a page with some rather interesting facts about the new legislation......that they don't tell you on CNN!

Hopefully it works.

www.eff.org...

Originally posted by factfinder38
Here is what I think will happen. By watching what is going on in congress and in the media I think that somehow when America is attacked again it will be from within. When I say within, I would be referring to an Arab connection with either Nazi groups or some other like gangs or some militia .It will bring on martial law and all organized groups that speak against the government will be rounded up as terrorist.

Of course within, that is the best method for the Government to engineer the enemy/problem, in today's age. In the most extreme case is when I think martial law will be placed. The way I see it, if the Government decides they are not getting the support for more wars (war on terrorism), they will have to engineer the problem from within. If there is not enough people joining the Armed Forces, they will have to engineer the attacks from within to institute martial law, and implement a forced military draft on its citizens. This is only if there is lowering support from the country for more war. Right now, it is not about only arabs or other particular identifiable groups being put into concentration camps, it is about everybody being rounded into the camps. This martial law will the final and necessary step to proceed quicker with the new world order. Those who run America want to have world wide control, every resource, every person. There will be microchip implants, that is part of the plan. There will be a martial law, that is the plan. There will be more terror attacks from the inside, that is the plan. Those who sleep will still think its a terrorist from abroad; those awake will know where the real terrorist comes from.

A new cycle of a nazi type Government is coming into play, this time they include multi-culturism in the Government. There is better technology, America had trained Nazi scientists.

In the most extreme, martial law will happen, that is only if people go crazy against the Government when the next terror attack happens. If the majority believe what the Government tells them and the people stay calm, they won't need to be put into camps.

Just believe the Government when they say the terror attack was from this terrorist group in this so-and-so country. If everybody doesn't, well, martial law will happen.

Your prediction is good because I think martial law will happen anyway.

Originally posted by IMMORTAL

Originally posted by factfinder38...It will bring on martial law and all organized groups that speak against the government will be rounded up as terrorist.

Of course within, that is the best method for the Government to engineer the enemy/problem, in today's age. In the most extreme case is when I think martial law will be placed. The way I see it, if the Government decides they are not getting the support for more wars (war on terrorism), they will have to engineer the problem from within.
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In the most extreme, martial law will happen, that is only if people go crazy against the Government when the next terror attack happens. If the majority believe what the Government tells them and the people stay calm, they won't need to be put into camps.
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Your prediction is good because I think martial law will happen anyway.

Technically speaking, with the loss of habeas corpus rights,
we are already goose-stepping through the door.

From Constitutional Topic: Martial Law discussing history and imposition of Martial Law in the U.S.:

The President, however, is commander-in-chief of the military, and it has been argued that the President can take it upon himself to declare martial law. In these times, Congress may decide not to act, effectively accepting martial law by failing to stop it...

especially if they were eliminated by some unfortunately unprevented attack.

What is Martial law, anyway?

"Martial law," it was argued, "is the will of the commanding officer of an armed force, or of a geographical military department, expressed in time of war within the limits of his military jurisdiction, as necessity demands and prudence dictates, restrained or enlarged by the orders of his military chief, or supreme executive ruler." In other words, martial law is imposed by a local commander on the region he controls, on an as-needed basis. Further, it was argued, "The officer executing martial law is at the same time supreme legislator, supreme judge, and supreme executive. As necessity makes his will the law, he only can define and declare it; and whether or not it is infringed, and of the extent of the infraction, he alone can judge; and his sole order punishes or acquits the alleged offender."

Get used to it before it gets to you used.

The patriot act opened the way for martial law. A police state is just a major terror event away.

The Patriot Act II hasn't been passed yet and Martial Law will not come any time soon, at least in 2004.

Technically, The United States has been under Martial Law since the Civil War but let's pretend otherwise.

Bush is gone, that is it- he's out, it's clear to see.

Bush couldn't open a hot dog stand right now, he's presidency is going down the drain.

It doesn't matter of event happens before the elections, he will not be re-elected.

Say we find Osama bin Laden before the elections, that will raise a lot of eyebrows especially in light of Fahrenheit 9/11.

The same with another "terrorist" attack on American soil. People will just blame Bush for it.

People in America are not dumb.. well some of them aren't.

Martial Law, if enacted by the election, will spiral this country into an economic collapse and perhaps even a Civil War.

John Kerry already won the election, that is why there won't be Martial Law in 2004, maybe 2005.

The globalists have already declared his victory.

If the states where to go under Marshal Law it won't be American troups in control, it will NATO there is allready German troups in the states now training for such an event, Alex Jones has a great amount of info on this

Check out the RealPlayer media trailer on Black helicopters of the New World Order, which the government denies are real, while they prepare for marshal law
www.prisonplanet.com...


Police State II: The Takeover
www.prisonplanet.com...






[edit on 29-6-2004 by Sauron]

Originally posted by Byrd
Okay, how about a note of reality, here: Martial law has been declared MANY times in the past -- and it has never lead to any of the scenarios you guys keep mentioning. FEMA has had control of areas (NYC on 9/11) and in spite of what hysterics claimed, the government didn't put the whole nation under martial law and didn't suddenly start rounding up citizens and occupying towns.

It isn't maintained because it's not possible to maintain it for long periods of time.

Finally someone's making sense.
Get weapons?
Stock up on food?
Uhh...why?
Fighting back will only get you killed. Why would you fight? Martial law is declared on cities or areas devastated by some event. Like byrd said, it'd be impossible to put the whole country under martial law, the US is WAY to big and has WAY to many people, and doesn't have nearly enough troops. It'd be impossible to control over any sustained period of time.



A police state however, now that's scary....

Martial Law will go into effect if HILLARY (God Forbid) gets into the White House. She's a power crazy loon with an evil agenda. G.W. wouldn't
declare martial law unless an asteroid fell on Manhatten or something, and it was necessary. Hillary would do it just because she could.

martial law is always associated changes that involve the power structure of governence without input of those governed, not good!

Originally posted by Faisca
I've been starting to think a lot about this whole martial law thing, and I'm honestly getting freaked out....What are you guys doing to be prepared? Are there any other young adults out there in the same position as I am? This would be a lot easier if I was in my 30s or 40s and had a bit of money, lol. But any advice or discussion would be appreciated.

Greetings all!
Well, here in Canada we live with this sort of question all the time, for the legislative machinery to effect exactly what you are talking about has been in place for at least my lifetime (+/- 30 tee hee).

But we're already so close to a communist, autocratic dictatorship that the election we just had is simply a polite fiction, like all elections.

Anyhoo, the answer is that there are young adults like yourself that are concerned with the issues you raised (pardon the paraphrasing above).

The problem is twofold: young people are distrated easily, and without having had time to develop a context, how are they to know whether the messages thay are receiving from their parents and society are false?

I have been educating myself and trying to learn as much as I can for about eighteen years, and compared to my peers, I am in great shape. I actually know something about what is going on, as near as I can tell. At the very least, I know that there is a question, and that seems to be the hardest part.

You are not alone, just isolated. Isn't that a cheerful thought?

RE: martial law. Several months ago, our local news radio station interviewed the Arizona Homeland Security Head. The host asked him what would occur if we went from say, an Orange Alert, to a Red Alert. I can't find a transcript of what he said, but I do remember and can paraphrase it. He said , "You really don't want to know. Let me put it this way...all people, who do not stay inside their homes, will be considered to be dangerous."
With that, the host kind of let out a big sigh, and said...."GEEZZZ."
So, I assumed that meant RED ALERT would mean martial law.
I can very, very easily picture a scenario as laid out by several OP's. If there were several major terrorist events, particularly a chem/bio/nuke type, the government would clamp down so fast and hard that our heads would be spinning. Of course, it would all be for "our safety". That's a darn scarey scenario and it's very plausible.
For some reason, I have been convinced the govt. is gearing up to declare martial law. It's more a "feeling" than something based totally on facts (although there are plenty of facts to support that feeling).
So, does anyone know exactly what a RED ALERT, nationwide, would actually entail?
joey

I understand the concept of Martial Law but in a nutshell, WHO has the power to call it and WHO has the power to revoke it?

Thanks.

Originally posted by factfinder38
Here is what I think will happen. By watching what is going on in congress and in the media I think that somehow when America is attacked again it will be from within. When I say within, I would be referring to an Arab connection with either Nazi groups or some other like gangs or some militia .It will bring on martial law and all organized groups that speak against the government will be rounded up as terrorist.

this guy say USA is under Martial Law NOW !!
Martial Law A.Jones